Gary Trent Jr. adapting to a defensive stopper role

[MainEvent]

has to keep playing position over gambling. I'm all for it if Gary can provide something more than just shooting

[raincityraptors]

People on the Pacers media side though that Haliburton had an off night and the coach in particular even called out a question about how we guarded Hali because it wasn't anything special.

I watched both of those games on Trae and Hali and I don't see Gary doing anything above average and he made more mistakes and gambles on that side than Gradey Dick.

Is someone making more mistakes and gambles than your rookie than man you want to be your ball stopper?

I think this two game stint has more to do with Trae and Hali having off nights as they recover from the All-Star weekend more than it has to do with Gary's defense.

Let's wait a few more games and see if he truly is discovering something he's never had in his career on either side of the ball: consistency.

[Tha Cynic]

What we should really be doing is starting Ochai over Barrett in the starting lineup and we're really cooking.

[akakalakin]

keep an eye on ir list, high probability

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

It's time to move on from Gary. Everyone from Bobby Webster to posters on realgm need to stop trying to find execuses to like him. He wants to take an obscenely low amount of money to sit at the end of the bench and get 12-15 mins a night since he loves Toronto so much he can stay as some cheap depth.

[MessiahUjiri]

It's time to move on from Gary. Everyone from Bobby Webster to posters on realgm need to stop trying to find execuses to like him. He wants to take an obscenely low amount of money to sit at the end of the bench and get 12-15 mins a night since he loves Toronto so much he can stay as some cheap depth.

We don’t get any free cap space from letting him walk, since we’ll be operating over the cap, assuming they pickup the Brown option.


So the natural move is to resign Gary at a reasonable number that still allows him to become tradeable later. Asset retention.


If you’re smart, you already know how this will go: Trent/Klutch will seek a 2+1 deal which allows him to enter free agency at 27 and coincides with the new TV deal.


If I were to guess, it’s something close to his current salary

[Tom_Foolery]

I think Gary Trent Jr. is the forgotten player on the Raptors

Trust me, he's not forgotten.

Like with Nurse, OG and Siakam we must move on.

[Dalek]

What we should really be doing is starting Ochai over Barrett in the starting lineup and we're really cooking.

I think we will ride with Barrett because of the investment and him being a face of Canadian basketball. We aren't a serious enough team to be benching him, but I do see the logic in it because I think he creates a lot of issues for our defense while his offense isn't nearly good enough (no mid-range shooting, no reliable freethrow shooting, and dubious three point shooting). Ochai is looking great on defense but he may not be starter material either.

The other big question is if Gradey keeps this hot shooting up, I wonder if he promotes Gradey to be a starter over Gary. I think it would be a disaster defensively, but if they decide Gradey is ready, he is the logical guy to make the starting line-up given his shooting gravity.

[Tom_Foolery]

So the natural move is to resign Gary at a reasonable number that still allows him to become tradeable later. Asset retention.

If he had any trade value, he would have been dealt at the deadline.

There's no point of locking into another commitment with him.

[Dalek]

I think Gary Trent Jr. is the forgotten player on the Raptors

Trust me, he's not forgotten.

Like with Nurse, OG and Siakam we must move on.

You might be right that it is time to move on but that would have been at the trade deadline. I don't see a benefit to just letting him walk because if he continues to show consistency on both ends, he can be a part of the team until Gradey is ready.

I give him credit for turning what looked like a down season into one where he is shooting over 40% from three and playing some viable defense as a starter on a massively rebuilt team.

[Ell Curry]

He sort of fits now as the backup 1 on D and just a regular off-ball guard on O with Barnes and Olynyk running the show and lots of actions involving Gradey (shooters are effective screeners, as Steph has taught us all).

I think he'll probably end up leaving for the Magic or Pistons since they are young teams with cap space and probably nowhere to spend it, but this sort of works if we do bring him back, and is similar to what we saw last night with Barnes being the first sub, but with the 2025 1st instead of Bruce Brown and Grady as 1st sub since we're talking long-term here:

Starting 5:
Poeltl-Barnes-Barrett-2025 1st-Quickley

2nd unit with Barnes:
Olynyk-Barnes-Dick-Agbaji-Trent

Barnes-less minutes:
Poeltl-Barrett-Dick-2025 1st-Quickley

as long as we can find a quality wing in the 2025 draft (or somehow this year or in 2026).

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

It's time to move on from Gary. Everyone from Bobby Webster to posters on realgm need to stop trying to find execuses to like him. He wants to take an obscenely low amount of money to sit at the end of the bench and get 12-15 mins a night since he loves Toronto so much he can stay as some cheap depth.

We don’t get any free cap space from letting him walk, since we’ll be operating over the cap, assuming they pickup the Brown option.


So the natural move is to resign Gary at a reasonable number that still allows him to become tradeable later. Asset retention.


If you’re smart, you already know how this will go: Trent/Klutch will seek a 2+1 deal which allows him to enter free agency at 27 and coincides with the new TV deal.


If I were to guess, it’s something close to his current salary

Gary has extremely low value as an "asset". If you're smart, you'll already know this. People thought Pascal had insane value. He didn't. Gary is worth so little that signing or drafting another player to replace him and turning that player into a positive asset will be more fruitful than hoping Gary can be moved for a 2nd round pick in the future. It's not worth losing a second of sleep on him walking, don't overthink this, especially when you think we would need to pay him the equivalent of his current AAV.

[DreamTeam09]

He sort of fits now as the backup 1 on D and just a regular off-ball guard on O with Barnes and Olynyk running the show and lots of actions involving Gradey (shooters are effective screeners, as Steph has taught us all).

I think he'll probably end up leaving for the Magic or Pistons since they are young teams with cap space and probably nowhere to spend it, but this sort of works if we do bring him back, and is similar to what we saw last night with Barnes being the first sub, but with the 2025 1st instead of Bruce Brown and Grady as 1st sub since we're talking long-term here:

Starting 5:
Poeltl-Barnes-Barrett-2025 1st-Quickley

2nd unit with Barnes:
Olynyk-Barnes-Dick-Agbaji-Trent

Barnes-less minutes:
Poeltl-Barrett-Dick-2025 1st-Quickley

as long as we can find a quality wing in the 2025 draft (or somehow this year or in 2026).

Agreed, that 2nd unit is not bad imo. It makes sense now because Dick n Ochai move so well off the ball, & ochai looks to be a + Defender along with Barnes. Ideally I'd rather a stretch 3/4 to pair with Ochai dick n Barnes Kelly, but I don't think we should let Trent walk either

[ItsDanger]

Been here 3 years now, he is what he is. Not smart to commit to him when you could have 3 draft picks entering lineup in next 2 seasons. Don't overpay for mediocre SGs.

[islandboy53]

It's time to move on from Gary. Everyone from Bobby Webster to posters on realgm need to stop trying to find execuses to like him. He wants to take an obscenely low amount of money to sit at the end of the bench and get 12-15 mins a night since he loves Toronto so much he can stay as some cheap depth.

We don’t get any free cap space from letting him walk, since we’ll be operating over the cap, assuming they pickup the Brown option.


So the natural move is to resign Gary at a reasonable number that still allows him to become tradeable later. Asset retention.


If you’re smart, you already know how this will go: Trent/Klutch will seek a 2+1 deal which allows him to enter free agency at 27 and coincides with the new TV deal.


If I were to guess, it’s something close to his current salary

Gary has extremely low value as an "asset". If you're smart, you'll already know this. People thought Pascal had insane value. He didn't. Gary is worth so little that signing or drafting another player to replace him and turning that player into a positive asset will be more fruitful than hoping Gary can be moved for a 2nd round pick in the future. It's not worth losing a second of sleep on him walking, don't overthink this, especially when you think we would need to pay him the equivalent of his current AAV.

Trent's main value is his 3 point shooting. He's currently shooting 41% on 6 attempts a game, which many teams would value. Teams like Orlando would love to have his skillset. His average defence, and limited creation and rebounding mean he likely won't get a bigger contract next year than this. There is a place for him on the Raptors pending his price, and his ability to continue to grow in the current system. However, he's more likely to be signed and traded, perhaps to Orlando.

[Tom_Foolery]

I think Gary Trent Jr. is the forgotten player on the Raptors

Trust me, he's not forgotten.

Like with Nurse, OG and Siakam we must move on.

You might be right that it is time to move on but that would have been at the trade deadline. I don't see a benefit to just letting him walk because if he continues to show consistency on both ends, he can be a part of the team until Gradey is ready.

I give him credit for turning what looked like a down season into one where he is shooting over 40% from three and playing some viable defense as a starter on a massively rebuilt team.

If we couldn't deal him at the deadline, what does that tell you about his value?

I'd even go as far to say he doesn't even have a role on this team anymore. It's almost like Darko has to wedge him into the rotation at times.

I don't think he's horrible, but you're giving him too much credit. It's time we look for a permanent solution.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Been here 3 years now, he is what he is. Not smart to commit to him when you could have 3 draft picks entering lineup in next 2 seasons. Don't overpay for mediocre SGs.

He's mediocre at the apex of his game, and he plays at that level 40% of the time. The other 60% is just poor gameplay.

[Ell Curry]

Been here 3 years now, he is what he is. Not smart to commit to him when you could have 3 draft picks entering lineup in next 2 seasons. Don't overpay for mediocre SGs.

Yeah, my guess is Orlando or Detroit or San Antonio will offer him a decent number and he'll leave.

Ultimately, if he stays, we probably end up trading him. Downside I guess is if he stays and gets hurt, but I don't really know if we're doing any better with cap room than keeping him on a 2 year deal for instance. He's still very young for a free agent who is a rotation guy.

[Syd-TK3]

I'm gonna need more the 2 games of defense

[2019nbachamps]

It's time to move on from Gary. Everyone from Bobby Webster to posters on realgm need to stop trying to find execuses to like him. He wants to take an obscenely low amount of money to sit at the end of the bench and get 12-15 mins a night since he loves Toronto so much he can stay as some cheap depth.

We don’t get any free cap space from letting him walk, since we’ll be operating over the cap, assuming they pickup the Brown option.


So the natural move is to resign Gary at a reasonable number that still allows him to become tradeable later. Asset retention.


If you’re smart, you already know how this will go: Trent/Klutch will seek a 2+1 deal which allows him to enter free agency at 27 and coincides with the new TV deal.


If I were to guess, it’s something close to his current salary

His market value is shot. Why do you think he opted in last summer?

We couldn’t find a good deal for him at the deadline so are kicking the can down the road. I think we’ll try to bring him back on a team friendly deal allowing him to bring his market value back up. It’s too bad because he isn’t very good. I prefer moving on.