NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[Yuri36]

What Luka is doing is crazy, he is the only one who can upset Jokic for MVP, it is just remarkable what he can do.

Well I think he can forget about MVP at least for this season, his team on a two losing streak games while both Nuggets and OKC continue to win.

[Wolfgang630]

Mavs lose again

[Jaqua92]

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[Special_Puppy]

Brunson PER: 22.1, BPM: 5.3
Tatum PER: 22.2, BPM: 5.2

Their stats are near identical. The only difference is supporting cast....

Tatum is not a serious MVP candidate, but box score stats don't properly capture the significant difference on defense

[MaliBrah]

Another Luka MVP game tonight. What more can you ask for. It's him or Jokic.

Shai has a say here. I think those guys are better but the Mavs aren't winning enough and I truly thing Shai has been more valuable then Joker

[CobraCommander]

What Luka is doing is crazy, he is the only one who can upset Jokic for MVP, it is just remarkable what he can do.

Well I think he can forget about MVP at least for this season, his team on a two losing streak games while both Nuggets and OKC continue to win.

Stats gotta equal wins when the best player on earth is a reigning champion on a winning team .

Sga is closer to jokic than Luka - hell Giannis probably gonna get more votes than Luka considering their team is winning more even with the sucky coach doc and the lame duck dame

[QPR]

It's a pretty clear two man race now.

[CobraCommander]

Another Luka MVP game tonight. What more can you ask for. It's him or Jokic.

Shai has a say here. I think those guys are better but the Mavs aren't winning enough and I truly thing Shai has been more valuable then Joker

Sucks for Luka but crazy stats on a 8th seed ain’t gonna get him an MVP -

Luka’s scoring could be lower if they won more and Luka could a more serious contender

[Mavrelous]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

[dygaction]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

Do you think he will ever be able to have a 50/40/90 season? Magic averaged 78.5 ft% in his first 4 seasons, and ended with 90.2% in his last three seasons before first retire.

[RB34]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

It’s crazy this guy is putting up these numbers and people have completely written him off.

When Embiid was putting up great numbers they said he was hands down the MVP.

The 6ers were 3rd in the east with a cakewalk schedule up until Embiid went down. The Mavs are the 8th seed in the “tougher” conference with a boatload of injuries.

[Mavrelous]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

Do you think he will ever be able to have a 50/40/90 season? Magic averaged 78.5 ft% in his first 4 seasons, and ended with 90.2% in his last three seasons before first retire.

He's too emotional as a player to be a great FT shooter, the 50/40 is possible but also, he takes a lot of tough shots.

[Mavrelous]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

It’s crazy this guy is putting up these numbers and people have completely written him off.

When Embiid was putting up great numbers they said he was hands down the MVP.

The 6ers were 3rd in the east with a cakewalk schedule up until Embiid went down. The Mavs are the 8th seed in the “tougher” conference with a boatload of injuries.

It's Steph 2021 season, amazing individual performance, but injuries limited his team success, I just hope team manages to finish top 6.

[CobraCommander]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

amazing year as usual with Luka. He is just that guy and probably always will be top 5 player for next couple years at least -

but year after year Luka puts up amazing numbers and we keep being reminded that the Harden style of play produces amazing stats but it doesn’t equal winning.

Either Luka changes by realizing that taking 22+ shots a game while kyrie shoots 21 shots a game isn’t going to produce consistent winning because it doesn’t leave enough space for the other guys to develop OR Kidd gets replaced and the next guy balances out the offense and defense by getting more people engaged in an actual system.

Luka could win an MVP next year and never get a ring with the way Kidd has them playing - it’s telling when Dinwiddie and Kuzma opt to play elsewhere. Something up with Dallas and I don’t think it’s purely a talent thing - I think it’s GM and coach that are holding Dallas and Luka back

[Mavrelous]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

amazing year as usual with Luka. He is just that guy and probably always will be top 5 player for next couple years at least -

but year after year Luka puts up amazing numbers and we keep being reminded that the Harden style of play produces amazing stats but it doesn’t equal winning.

Either Luka changes by realizing that taking 22+ shots a game while kyrie shoots 21 shots a game isn’t going to produce consistent winning because it doesn’t leave enough space for the other guys to develop OR Kidd gets replaced and the next guy balances out the offense and defense by getting more people engaged in an actual system.

Luka could win an MVP next year and never get a ring with the way Kidd has them playing - it’s telling when Dinwiddie and Kuzma opt to play elsewhere. Something up with Dallas and I don’t think it’s purely a talent thing - I think it’s GM and coach that are holding Dallas and Luka back

This isn't Harden yet, his team wins when they're healthy healthy, and he overacheives when he has good supporting cast.
4 rotation players from last year are vet min signing this year, 3 are 3rd stringers, Bullock, McGee, Wood and Dinwiddie.
Powell is also 3rd stringer, DFS is nowhere near as impactful.

[CobraCommander]

I don't think Luka has any chance left to be MVP, but he's having an amazing season

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Hopefully, next year, the team will be deeper and less vulnerable to injuries like this year.

amazing year as usual with Luka. He is just that guy and probably always will be top 5 player for next couple years at least -

but year after year Luka puts up amazing numbers and we keep being reminded that the Harden style of play produces amazing stats but it doesn’t equal winning.

Either Luka changes by realizing that taking 22+ shots a game while kyrie shoots 21 shots a game isn’t going to produce consistent winning because it doesn’t leave enough space for the other guys to develop OR Kidd gets replaced and the next guy balances out the offense and defense by getting more people engaged in an actual system.

Luka could win an MVP next year and never get a ring with the way Kidd has them playing - it’s telling when Dinwiddie and Kuzma opt to play elsewhere. Something up with Dallas and I don’t think it’s purely a talent thing - I think it’s GM and coach that are holding Dallas and Luka back

This isn't Harden yet, his team wins when they're healthy healthy, and he overacheives when he has good supporting cast.
4 rotation players from last year are vet min signing this year, 3 are 3rd stringers, Bullock, McGee, Wood and Dinwiddie.
Powell is also 3rd stringer, DFS is nowhere near as impactful.

The supporting cast argument can’t keep being the story. Giannis supporting cast isn’t good- Steph supporting cast not great - I don’t know what to say about the Timberwolves (none of us would be surprised if they were last in the west) -

My point is Harden was amazing - Westbrook was amazing and other guys were amazing and they won MVPs with bad or suspect supporting cast.

Luka is playing in an era where Giannis while a much more decorated player is having a tough year struggling and winning more::. And SGA is quietly winning more with a ultra young team that plays off each other vs relies solely on SGA, and Jokic - who can do all the individual things better than Luka yet plays a type of ball where he orchestrates wins vs gets buckets in a manner that just highlights how much better he is than everyone else at all aspects of basketball.

Imo Luka is a mvp level player that isn’t being coached to play his best ball. Those stats don’t really mean much historically if scoring is up across the board and the league is trying to figure out what’s up with this inflation and Luka’s teams middle of the pack while Giannis is 3rd in East, Tatum is first, Zion is 6th, Booker is 5th, Jokic is 3rd, SGA and edwards tied for 1st.

With 24 games left, if Luka and Kyrie can get the Mavs into the top 4 (not impossible) and get ahead either Jokic or SGA in the standings, he has a chance. I think he is still a safe bet… but if Giannis gets to second in East and SGA and jokic stay ahead of Luka in standings it’s gonna be tough to beat Jokic. I know it’s individual stats but Embiid was the stat king this year - the rest of these guys close enough to each other stat wise for the team record to matter

[Mavrelous]

The supporting cast argument can’t keep being the story. Giannis supporting cast isn’t good- Steph supporting cast not great - I don’t know what to say about the Timberwolves (none of us would be surprised if they were last in the west) -

My point is Harden was amazing - Westbrook was amazing and other guys were amazing and they won MVPs with bad or suspect supporting cast.

Huh?
Giannis had Jrue, Middleton and Brook Lopez, the year he won, Steph had generational defender in Draymong Green, Klay Thompson and many other player though different iterations.
In fact Steph, a top 10 player all time, missed the PO WITH Draymond Green and Andrew Wiggins in 2021.
Luka should win with Bullock and Powell?

[CobraCommander]

The supporting cast argument can’t keep being the story. Giannis supporting cast isn’t good- Steph supporting cast not great - I don’t know what to say about the Timberwolves (none of us would be surprised if they were last in the west) -

My point is Harden was amazing - Westbrook was amazing and other guys were amazing and they won MVPs with bad or suspect supporting cast.

Huh?
Giannis had Jrue, Middleton and Brook Lopez, the year he won, Steph had generational defender in Draymong Green, Klay Thompson and many other player though different iterations.
In fact Steph, a top 10 player all time, missed the PO WITH Draymond Green and Andrew Wiggins in 2021.
Luka should win with Bullock and Powell?

I’m talking about this year -

Luka isn’t as good as Giannis or Jokic or peak Steph -

Talent wise maybe but driving and generating wins? He isn’t that - yet

But that doesn’t matter - this year - Giannis squad sucks - second best or most consistent player most nights is Brooks. Their coach is DOC- and Giannis in 3rd in his conf

Luka has a locked in Kyrie and pieces and he is in 8th.

Luka has a chance if he moves up the rankings but he can’t win from 8th the year after missing the play in just last year when Jokic got snubbed for mvp last year and then went on to win the ring and is in 3rd this year and primed to make another title run.

Like how do you look at Luka vs Jokic and say Luka is having a better year than Jokic…?

Jokic is the MVP so far

[The-Power]

Right now I'd have it as:

1-2 SGA
1-2 Jokic
3-4 Giannis
3-4 Luka

And for the 5th spot there are a couple options including Kawhi, Tatum and Mitchell as the most eye-popping candidates to me.

[Mavrelous]

Luka has a locked in Kyrie and pieces and he is in 8th.

Luka has a chance if he moves up the rankings but he can’t win from 8th the year after missing the play in just last year when Jokic got snubbed for mvp last year and then went on to win the ring and is in 3rd this year and primed to make another title run.

Like how do you look at Luka vs Jokic and say Luka is having a better year than Jokic…?

Jokic is the MVP so far

Go back into my posting in this very thread and you'll see my opinion of Jokic, don't put up strawmen.
The reason Mavs are 8th are injuries, Mavs are the 3rd most injured team in the league after Grizzlies and Hornets, Kyrie has missed 23 games, Maxi 30+ and many other injuries, Mavs would be with the top 4 seeds if they were healthy.