Tin Foil Hat- Bk and Houston Re-explored

[JMAC3]

We all know, no deal was done by these two teams at the deadline despite all the whispers. So what has changed/will change?

1. Nets promoted Kevin Ollie to Interim HC. Why is that significant? Ollie was a coach/skill trainer for OTE. That could signal Nets are rebuilding and if so which player from OTE might he prefer to build with? Yes. Amen Thompson.

2. Jalen Green. He continues to trend in the wrong direction. Which is lowering his trade value, which seems like Houston was wanting to use him in the deal for Bridges based on whispers. Nets were probably pushing for more picks or different players. That might be what Houston resorts to as Green's trade value is plummeting.

3. Houston will know exactly how where that Nets pick is in this draft. Right now it is 7th. Knowing the exact position should make negotiations cleaner. Houston could have dealt pick back to Nets and if that pick ends up winning Lottery then Houston would have regretted it. Or even if it is a top 4 pick they might have regretted how much value they gave up.

4. The Nets are getting even more sample size of how bad they are with Bridges. They are seeing their pick getting locked into the top 10 and aren't going to be a playin team. That alone should push them more into the rebuild.

My prediction is that the deal will be Nets 2024 first, Amen Thompson and the swaps back. With the Rockets keeping the 2026 first mabye with slight protection re-added in which is a huge win compared to what Brooklyn was asking for at the deadline.

[K_chile22]

That would be an absolutely insane offer. I would not trade Amen for Bridges (an expiring btw) straight up.
If Bridges was worth that they wouldn't be so awful. That's a big package

[JMAC3]

That would be an absolutely insane offer. I would not trade Amen for Bridges (an expiring btw) straight up.
If Bridges was worth that they wouldn't be so awful. That's a big package

Bridges has 2.5 years on his deal.
You think Amen, 24 1st and 2 swaps is a lot for Bridges?

Houston keeps the Nets 26 first.

[ThatBoyNick]

There’s no need to revisit it as long as Mikal keeps being valued as a top 20 player or star of sorts, he just isn’t and it’s not close.

[K_chile22]

That would be an absolutely insane offer. I would not trade Amen for Bridges (an expiring btw) straight up.
If Bridges was worth that they wouldn't be so awful. That's a big package

Bridges has 2.5 years on his deal.
You think Amen, 24 1st and 2 swaps is a lot for Bridges?

Houston keeps the Nets 26 first.

oh yeah missed a year but I'm still not doing this. Are you aware that the odds are next years swap will likely be from OKCs to BKNs pick in a stacked draft?

[JMAC3]

There’s no need to revisit it as long as Mikal keeps being valued as a top 20 player or star of sorts, he just isn’t and it’s not close.

This feels closer to top 40 ish value.

Top 30 is like Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Curry, Tatum, Kawhi, Durant, Booker, Shai, LeBron, AD, Donovan, Brunson, Jimmy, Ant, PG, Fox, Dame, Brown, Bam, Sabonis, Haliburton, Morant, Murray, Lauri, Zion, Paolo, Scottie, Trae types.... That proposed package isn't close to landing any of these guys. Especially at 2/50 contract.

Idk if that package is even landing you like Ingram, Franz, Garland, Towns, Gobert types... so I think the top 20 valuation stuff is a pretty wildly inaccurate statement.

[JMAC3]

That would be an absolutely insane offer. I would not trade Amen for Bridges (an expiring btw) straight up.
If Bridges was worth that they wouldn't be so awful. That's a big package

Bridges has 2.5 years on his deal.
You think Amen, 24 1st and 2 swaps is a lot for Bridges?

Houston keeps the Nets 26 first.

oh yeah missed a year but I'm still not doing this. Are you aware that the odds are next years swap will likely be from OKCs to BKNs pick in a stacked draft?

Is that right? It feels weird that Nets can agree to swap with Houston, but then get some random teams first back.

So Phoenix who owes a swap to wizards in 2030. Suns could also accept a pick swap with Boston in that same year and Wizards could end up with Boston swap instead? Seems broken to me.

[K_chile22]

Bridges has 2.5 years on his deal.
You think Amen, 24 1st and 2 swaps is a lot for Bridges?

Houston keeps the Nets 26 first.

oh yeah missed a year but I'm still not doing this. Are you aware that the odds are next years swap will likely be from OKCs to BKNs pick in a stacked draft?

Is that right? It feels weird that Nets can agree to swap with Houston, but then get some random teams first back.

So Phoenix who owes a swap to wizards in 2030. Suns could also accept a pick swap with Boston in that same year and Wizards could end up with Boston swap instead? Seems broken to me.

It's because of the order of the trades. Because Houston already owed the pick swap to OKC, BKN had to agree to take the pick that Houston ends up with to make the swap an option in the Harden deal. BKN agreed to the terms of either the Houston pick or OKCs pick should that swap happen at the time of the Harden trade, Houston isn't just making that a thing after the fact, does not work that way

[ThatBoyNick]

There’s no need to revisit it as long as Mikal keeps being valued as a top 20 player or star of sorts, he just isn’t and it’s not close.

This feels closer to top 40 ish value.

Top 30 is like Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Curry, Tatum, Kawhi, Durant, Booker, Shai, LeBron, AD, Donovan, Brunson, Jimmy, Ant, PG, Fox, Dame, Brown, Bam, Sabonis, Haliburton, Morant, Murray, Lauri, Zion, Paolo, Scottie, Trae types.... That proposed package isn't close to landing any of these guys. Especially at 2/50 contract.

Idk if that package is even landing you like Ingram, Franz, Garland, Towns, Gobert types... so I think the top 20 valuation stuff is a pretty wildly inaccurate statement.

It’s not just your valuation but a number of them over deadline that I’m referencing. The valuation of your proposal package is probably in the ballpark of a top 30 range player who’s asking out. I’ve seen some valuations include a good bit more (all the picks + multiple young players, Rockets picks added etc) to the point of being a legit superstar package.

From the Rockets perspective, Amen was the 4th pick and they value him as as such, the Nets pick will be around 8 with a chance for a lotto hit, the 2025 swap has serious potential to be another high lotto shot (we are swapping with OKCs pick too), 2027 swap is more of a mystery box.

So this is asking Hou to pass on potentially 3 high level prospects for Mikal, I just don’t think that makes sense.

[JMAC3]

There’s no need to revisit it as long as Mikal keeps being valued as a top 20 player or star of sorts, he just isn’t and it’s not close.

This feels closer to top 40 ish value.

Top 30 is like Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Curry, Tatum, Kawhi, Durant, Booker, Shai, LeBron, AD, Donovan, Brunson, Jimmy, Ant, PG, Fox, Dame, Brown, Bam, Sabonis, Haliburton, Morant, Murray, Lauri, Zion, Paolo, Scottie, Trae types.... That proposed package isn't close to landing any of these guys. Especially at 2/50 contract.

Idk if that package is even landing you like Ingram, Franz, Garland, Towns, Gobert types... so I think the top 20 valuation stuff is a pretty wildly inaccurate statement.

It’s not just your valuation but a number of them over deadline that I’m referencing. The valuation of your proposal package is probably in the ballpark of a top 30 range player who’s asking out. I’ve seen some valuations include a good bit more (all the picks + multiple young players, Rockets picks added etc) to the point of being a legit superstar package.

From the Rockets perspective, Amen was the 4th pick and they value him as as such, the Nets pick will be around 8 with a chance for a lotto hit, the 2025 swap has serious potential to be another high lotto shot (we are swapping with OKCs pick too), 2027 swap is more of a mystery box.

So this is asking Hou to pass on potentially 3 high level prospects for Mikal, I just don’t think that makes sense.

I don't this package is sniffing a top 30 player. Which player that I listed is that getting outside of guys who are devalued for contracts... The 24 first isn't going to be seen as much value because of the weak draft perception.

I would say majority of players that are top 55 aren't even getting dealt for that tbh.

[K_chile22]

This feels closer to top 40 ish value.

Top 30 is like Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Curry, Tatum, Kawhi, Durant, Booker, Shai, LeBron, AD, Donovan, Brunson, Jimmy, Ant, PG, Fox, Dame, Brown, Bam, Sabonis, Haliburton, Morant, Murray, Lauri, Zion, Paolo, Scottie, Trae types.... That proposed package isn't close to landing any of these guys. Especially at 2/50 contract.

Idk if that package is even landing you like Ingram, Franz, Garland, Towns, Gobert types... so I think the top 20 valuation stuff is a pretty wildly inaccurate statement.

It’s not just your valuation but a number of them over deadline that I’m referencing. The valuation of your proposal package is probably in the ballpark of a top 30 range player who’s asking out. I’ve seen some valuations include a good bit more (all the picks + multiple young players, Rockets picks added etc) to the point of being a legit superstar package.

From the Rockets perspective, Amen was the 4th pick and they value him as as such, the Nets pick will be around 8 with a chance for a lotto hit, the 2025 swap has serious potential to be another high lotto shot (we are swapping with OKCs pick too), 2027 swap is more of a mystery box.

So this is asking Hou to pass on potentially 3 high level prospects for Mikal, I just don’t think that makes sense.

I don't this package is sniffing a top 30 player. Which player that I listed is that getting outside of guys who are devalued for contracts... The 24 first isn't going to be seen as much value because of the weak draft perception.

I would say majority of players that are top 55 aren't even getting dealt for that tbh.

Mitchell, who is on your list, went for Lauri, recent 14th pick, 3 firsts 2 swaps from a really good team.
Without revisionist history on Lauri Amen is worth Lauri and at least two of the firsts/Ochai, the two swaps from BKN are more valuable than the swaps from Cleveland, and the 7th/8th pick is probably worth the other two firsts

[JMAC3]

It’s not just your valuation but a number of them over deadline that I’m referencing. The valuation of your proposal package is probably in the ballpark of a top 30 range player who’s asking out. I’ve seen some valuations include a good bit more (all the picks + multiple young players, Rockets picks added etc) to the point of being a legit superstar package.

From the Rockets perspective, Amen was the 4th pick and they value him as as such, the Nets pick will be around 8 with a chance for a lotto hit, the 2025 swap has serious potential to be another high lotto shot (we are swapping with OKCs pick too), 2027 swap is more of a mystery box.

So this is asking Hou to pass on potentially 3 high level prospects for Mikal, I just don’t think that makes sense.

I don't this package is sniffing a top 30 player. Which player that I listed is that getting outside of guys who are devalued for contracts... The 24 first isn't going to be seen as much value because of the weak draft perception.

I would say majority of players that are top 55 aren't even getting dealt for that tbh.

Mitchell, who is on your list, went for Lauri, recent 14th pick, 3 firsts 2 swaps from a really good team.
Without revisionist history on Lauri Amen is worth Lauri and at least two of the firsts/Ochai, the two swaps from BKN are more valuable than the swaps from Cleveland, and the 7th/8th pick is probably worth the other two firsts

Lauri, Sexton, 14th pick, 3 unprotected firsts, 2 swaps is worth a lot more than Amen, 1 first and 2 swaps.

[RookieJazz]

We all know, no deal was done by these two teams at the deadline despite all the whispers. So what has changed/will change?

1. Nets promoted Kevin Ollie to Interim HC. Why is that significant? Ollie was a coach/skill trainer for OTE. That could signal Nets are rebuilding and if so which player from OTE might he prefer to build with? Yes. Amen Thompson.

2. Jalen Green. He continues to trend in the wrong direction. Which is lowering his trade value, which seems like Houston was wanting to use him in the deal for Bridges based on whispers. Nets were probably pushing for more picks or different players. That might be what Houston resorts to as Green's trade value is plummeting.

3. Houston will know exactly how where that Nets pick is in this draft. Right now it is 7th. Knowing the exact position should make negotiations cleaner. Houston could have dealt pick back to Nets and if that pick ends up winning Lottery then Houston would have regretted it. Or even if it is a top 4 pick they might have regretted how much value they gave up.

4. The Nets are getting even more sample size of how bad they are with Bridges. They are seeing their pick getting locked into the top 10 and aren't going to be a playin team. That alone should push them more into the rebuild.

My prediction is that the deal will be Nets 2024 first, Amen Thompson and the swaps back. With the Rockets keeping the 2026 first mabye with slight protection re-added in which is a huge win compared to what Brooklyn was asking for at the deadline.

I think it is a fair offer maybe not enough to entice Brooklyn. I would add Jalen Green to that.
Although, I think Utah and OKC can beat this offer.
If Houston wants to get this trade done, they need to add Green and 26 BKN pick back. It is a little overpaid, but it is an unbeatable offer.

[K_chile22]

I don't this package is sniffing a top 30 player. Which player that I listed is that getting outside of guys who are devalued for contracts... The 24 first isn't going to be seen as much value because of the weak draft perception.

I would say majority of players that are top 55 aren't even getting dealt for that tbh.

Mitchell, who is on your list, went for Lauri, recent 14th pick, 3 firsts 2 swaps from a really good team.
Without revisionist history on Lauri Amen is worth Lauri and at least two of the firsts/Ochai, the two swaps from BKN are more valuable than the swaps from Cleveland, and the 7th/8th pick is probably worth the other two firsts

Lauri, Sexton, 14th pick, 3 unprotected firsts, 2 swaps is worth a lot more than Amen, 1 first and 2 swaps.

Sexton was a sign and trade to match salary and Cleveland didn't want to pay him. Lauri was seen as a fairly paid 5th-7th guy on a roster. Again, don't use revisionist history. Those picks are not as valuable as the BKN first this year and the swaps aren't close to as valuable as next years BKNs first. Do you have Amen not worth two cleveland firsts?

[psman2]

Houston should should only move on Bridges if the price is cheap imo. He is not a real needle moving star, more like when you have two better stars already and want him as the 3rd guy to push you up a tier. I rather gamble on Amen's upside than make the OP. Houston can make a swing for a Bridge level star in 2-3 years once they have what they believe their two main stars already in place. As of right now maybe Sengun gets there but I think he likely caps out as the 3rd guy on a contending team too. Bridges is just not that guy.

[Kiss of Death]

The Rockets offered expiring contracts (Oladipo/Landale/Jeff Green) and SOME of the Net's picks/swaps back (according to a Nets beat reporter).

They certainly are not going from that offer to yours.

Bridges does not have that kind of value.
If another team wants to offer 4 or 5 first round picks, the Nets should definitely take that and don't look back.

[Mike lorenzo]

I think the NETS will go in another direction...getting D.Mitchell is a real possibility, given the status of his contract and his apparent desire to play in NY...I wouldn't rule out Booker either, maybe in 1 year...since they have the Suns picks...If I'm the NETS I would only hope to bring back Claxton and make moves on the sidelines (move DFS maybe..)..
for HOUSTON.. I wouldn't change Amen.. I like D.Murray for J.Green and a change of picks..

[JKiddy]

It seems like the Nets might trade for Mitchell or Booker in the next two seasons to pair with Bridges. The Nets don't seem to care to rebuild and tank so they don't need their picks as they have the Suns, Mavs, Sixers and then some of their own swaps/picks.

Amen Thompson is not the player Bridges is now. Might he be in two seasons? Yes. But, by then the Nets would have this star player alongside Bridges, Claxton, and a few others they are planning. I do not know the specifics of the offer. But, if it was an expiring deal and only a few picks back you can see why the Nets did not even consider it.

[Kiss of Death]

Here’s the video of the Nets beat reporter saying that the Rockets only offered expiring contracts and ‘some’ of the Nets picks back.

There is no way that the Rockets are giving the Nets more for Bridges than the Nets gave the Rockets for Harden.

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[JKiddy]

Yeah that is a horrible offer to BK. It is embarrassing.