Around the NBA - Continued… again

[3toheadmelo]

We should have traded for Drummond

Guano was right

They never listen to me.


If I ran th8ngs

Guan0 not hiding his drumgawd love eh

[Chanel Bomber]

Lefkoe and Shaq are friends off camera, so he was messing with him, but that was a cringe thing to say on TV regardless. like chill bruh save that for behind the scenes

To his point, I think data is a great tool to use, but there's nuances to the game that you really can't quantify and there has to be a balance. I've seen guys who are analytically elite shooters sh*t their pants in big moments and guys who aren't hit huge shots against the odds. Every situation is different, every game flows differently, and analytical data doesn't factor in the fact that these guys are human beings.

I mean I have had a sig for a decade stating my opinion on stats

Stats are often the objective piece, but you have to discuss the subjective.

I had a friend who would debate Kobe and basically due to poor efficiency, categorized him as the #2 to Pau. There are things like gravity etc that star players, superstar players, have that influence the quality of shots for others that simple stats don't account for.

Kobe being #2 to Pau due to efficiency is insane.

By that logic, Ant-Man is #2 to Rudy Gobert because Rudy is highly efficient.

You brought up a great point: GRAVITY. How do you quantify that? It's a real thing in basketball that literally determines the outcomes of possessions. There's no stat or metric for it as far as I know, yet it impacts literally every trip down the floor offensively. Along with gravity from players that can score at a high level, spacing is also impacted by guys that can shoot efficiently.

Advanced impact metrics based on adjusted lineup data (+/- etc.) are remarkable because they indirectly capture gravity, if the (reasonable) assumption is that gravity leads to better shots and therefore a higher efficiency output at the team level, which in turns affects point differentials of lineups.

Efficiency stats do just that: measure efficiency. You can't necessarily extrapolate to impact without accounting for role. Of course, if a high-volume shot creator is efficient, you can assume high impact on thd offensive end.

Gravity is linked to efficiency but the complication is that its effect on efficiency can be indirect e.g., in the case of Kobe.

[god shammgod]

everybody sh*t on him and the trade but you can easily make the argument that gobert is the player that most impacts winning on the timberwolves. he's been their most consistent player all year. they have the best defense and the 17th best offense in the nba. that's a different argument than you're having though.

[Chanel Bomber]

everybody sh*t on him and the trade but you can easily make the argument that gobert is the player that most impacts winning on the timberwolves. he's been their most consistent player all year. they have the best defense and the 17th best offense in the nba. that's a different argument than you're having though.

Defense is constantly overlooked when it comes to winning. Big Steph, Kobe and Dirk fan but their teams probably don't win championships without their defense. And Kobe was no longer a defensive anchor when he led those Lakers teams vs how good he was defensively in the early 2000s.

Gobert has an considerable impact on winning. At least against conventional lineups.

[3toheadmelo]

everybody sh*t on him and the trade but you can easily make the argument that gobert is the player that most impacts winning on the timberwolves. he's been their most consistent player all year. they have the best defense and the 17th best offense in the nba. that's a different argument than you're having though.

Not surprised sham is a fan of another stone foot center who gets exposed in the post season!

[god shammgod]

everybody sh*t on him and the trade but you can easily make the argument that gobert is the player that most impacts winning on the timberwolves. he's been their most consistent player all year. they have the best defense and the 17th best offense in the nba. that's a different argument than you're having though.

Not surprised sham is a fan of another stone foot center who gets exposed in the post season!

sham appreciates defense. take him off that team and they're like an 8th seed again. you probably think ayton is a better player. sad.

[Wildcat]

Tatum is pretty great but that team is loaded

It’s amazing what can happen when the coach doesn’t play everyone into the ground.

So, are you saying if the minutes distribution was better, they'd be on par with Boston? That's categorically untrue. This meme about Thibs is ridiculous. The running theme with Boston is if someone goes down with a serious injury, Boston is screwed.

Randle dislocating his shoulder isn't a Thibs problem. That's bad luck. The bone spurs in OG's elbow isn't a Thibs problem. Bone spurs don't just materialize because you're suddenly playing 2 extra minutes a game. When everyone is healthy, When healthy, everyone's minutes across the board are going down. There's no way Precious isn't logging at least 12 minutes ago when Randle and Mitch are back.

The only thing I'm worried about is Burks. I know he's an ISO guy, but he's still here to initiate the offense, which has been pissed poor in my books. I'm hoping it'll be different when the bench squad is set with Mitch, Josh, and Precious with Burks the initiator.

[3toheadmelo]

everybody sh*t on him and the trade but you can easily make the argument that gobert is the player that most impacts winning on the timberwolves. he's been their most consistent player all year. they have the best defense and the 17th best offense in the nba. that's a different argument than you're having though.

Not surprised sham is a fan of another stone foot center who gets exposed in the post season!

sham appreciates defense. take him off that team and they're like an 8th seed again. you probably think ayton is a better player. sad.

Your guy Mitch looked like Joel Anthony against Bam in the playoffs. How come you only like stone feet centers with no offense shammie??!?!?!

[god shammgod]

Not surprised sham is a fan of another stone foot center who gets exposed in the post season!

sham appreciates defense. take him off that team and they're like an 8th seed again. you probably think ayton is a better player. sad.

Your guy Mitch looked like Joel Anthony against Bam in the playoffs. How come you only like stone feet centers with no offense shammie??!?!?!

Read on Twitter

this might actually be you because we know there's one thing you like more than ayton

[3toheadmelo]

sham appreciates defense. take him off that team and they're like an 8th seed again. you probably think ayton is a better player. sad.

Your guy Mitch looked like Joel Anthony against Bam in the playoffs. How come you only like stone feet centers with no offense shammie??!?!?!

Read on Twitter

this might actually be you because we know there's one thing you like more than ayton

Mitch admitting he was getting cooked in the playoffs by bam. Wow!

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You love them outdated stone feet centers that have no offense the same way you still think rocawear looks good in 2024

[WaltFrazier]

Mavs constantly getting between 70 and 80 from Luka and Kyrie and they barely above .500

I wish we could embed tiktok videos

But this has those final possessions vs CLE.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3txqLe/

That was insane

Props to Spida and the Cavs for pulling that one out.

Hate to say this but I can't think why Mitchell would leave that team for the Knicks this summer

[The Lamma]

I wish we could embed tiktok videos

But this has those final possessions vs CLE.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3txqLe/

That was insane

Props to Spida and the Cavs for pulling that one out.

Hate to say this but I can't think why Mitchell would leave that team for the Knicks this summer

Because of this

Watch on YouTube

Vs where he grew up

[3toheadmelo]

was there anyone who thought he was a future all star when we got him? lol

Read on Twitter

[Jalen Bluntson]

That was insane

Props to Spida and the Cavs for pulling that one out.

Hate to say this but I can't think why Mitchell would leave that team for the Knicks this summer

Because of this

Watch on YouTube

Vs where he grew up

[rajajackal]

I wish we could embed tiktok videos

But this has those final possessions vs CLE.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3txqLe/

That was insane

Props to Spida and the Cavs for pulling that one out.

Hate to say this but I can't think why Mitchell would leave that team for the Knicks this summer

homecoming + we're a better team at full health

[WaltFrazier]

That was insane

Props to Spida and the Cavs for pulling that one out.

Hate to say this but I can't think why Mitchell would leave that team for the Knicks this summer

Because of this

Watch on YouTube

Vs where he grew up

Anyway I posted that after their big win over Dallas, not yet knowing about the loss to the Bulls. Thinking short term, game by game.

Demar 35 in that win, I keep wishing Knicks had got him at deadline instead of the Pistons trade. A scorer.

[rajajackal]

Hate to say this but I can't think why Mitchell would leave that team for the Knicks this summer

Because of this

Watch on YouTube

Vs where he grew up

Anyway I posted that after their big win over Dallas, not yet knowing about the loss to the Bulls. Thinking short term, game by game.

Demar 35 in that win, I keep wishing Knicks had got him at deadline instead of the Pistons trade. A scorer.

i thought that was the cleaner move too

[WaltFrazier]

Because of this

Watch on YouTube

Vs where he grew up

Anyway I posted that after their big win over Dallas, not yet knowing about the loss to the Bulls. Thinking short term, game by game.

Demar 35 in that win, I keep wishing Knicks had got him at deadline instead of the Pistons trade. A scorer.

i thought that was the cleaner move too

Yeah because if they thought Randle is iffy to come back, but OG and others are all healthy, then Derozan could have been a decent replacement for Randle's scoring this year's playoffs. Then figure out the rest in summer.

I know that depends on the cost of Demar and keeping options open for next year. But I'm still hoping for a nice playoff run when OG comes back and maybe Robinson.

[G_K_F]

The simple, painful fact is that the Knicks will regret not trading Robinson and drafting Duren.

Duren is a future franchise player for the Pistons.

[Capn'O]

was there anyone who thought he was a future all star when we got him? lol

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He's obviously referring to himself.

Delusional AF.