Thoughts in General, Random Rumors and Musings, Blah Blah 14.0 Eddie Najera Edicion

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah, a cap space team could sit on 20-25 million for Lauri, assuming they trade for him at the draft. Renegotiate date would be early enough in the season that you could bank on using part of the Room exem on buy outs or get lucky with a stashed guy? Something. Detroit very easily could add a really good free agent and have that cap space available.

OKC is already a contender and has 30 million in cap space next summer, they could easily trade Josh, Dieng and a couple firsts for Lauri and sit with the rest of their cap space as the roster is deep enough already. Not sure you really need Lauri with Chet/Jalen/SGA and the rest of that roster, but why not? No idea what Lauri costs to lock up for 3 extra years, but adding 25 million to next season should keep it well below a true 30% max right? No tax issues for two years with that group is pretty unfair.

But.. it seems really unlikely to me that a team takes the risk of letting him play 25-30 games as an expiring and still pays full value.

Have to hit the salary cap floor by opening night or it’s penalized and the difference of how far under you are is added to the books. In theory, a team cannot take more than $14m in cap space into the season.

Just for fun again..

Say you wanted to loophole that, since they did such a good job blocking my aggregating loop holes…

Sit on the 14 million and give the other 16-20 million to reunite Muscala with a January 7th guarantee date? Would leave you with the cap space if you waive him end of November/beginning of December when you renegotiate Lauri?

Or you just pay to dump an 8-10 million dollar contract when it’s time?

I tried to look it up myself, but only find the same wording you used “90% on opening night” not “90% at any time”…

I don’t love that rule as much as most seemed to, I think rebuilding teams should be allowed to Hinkie or whatever strategy they want to use in order to collect assets and get back to being a competitive team. They’re still technically allowed, but lose a lot of money in doing so..

Believe they’re only given 24 hours to get back over the salary floor if they make a move that drops them under. I assume this was a players union argument where they wanted assurances that teams would actually spend to the floor, and early, which then might cause them to spend more than they wanted to, etc.

Edit: To be clear, the rule specifically states that "no team will be permitted to engage in any transaction on or following the first day of the Regular Season that will reduce the team's Team Salary below the MTS" (minimum team salary). But I've also been led to believe that there's a possibility the league has informed teams that they could have up to 24 hours to get back over the MTS. I think we'll have to wait and see?

[jayjaysee]

On a random thought, 13-14 million seems more than enough for a team to do the same as Sabonis right? The future years would be discounted a bit less, but you could still easily get Lauri to 40 million in “year two”.. and it’s still a nice benefit to him not playing out as an expiring and risking injury..

[Scoot McGroot]

On a random thought, 13-14 million seems more than enough for a team to do the same as Sabonis right? The future years would be discounted a bit less, but you could still easily get Lauri to 40 million in “year two”.. and it’s still a nice benefit to him not playing out as an expiring and risking injury..

Could be. The new 140% extension rules would help there, for sure.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Wonder if OKC brings Muscala back for depth with the open spot. With Biz, doesn't make a ton of sense. But can always use more size I think. And it's not like the team needs more guards or forwards really.

[jayjaysee]

Another part on Lauri..

Similar to Turner.. Lauri could be kept trade eligible by turning him 1yr18 into a 3yr120ish, as long as year 2 and 3 are within 5% right?

For Lauri that’s the same as getting a 2yr100 and hitting free agency at 30 eligible for 35% max, seems good enough to give up the extra 90 million on what could be year 3 and 4. But keeping it 3 years means he can be trade eligible..

for the team getting Lauri, it’s getting a star locked up well below a 30% max..

I wouldn’t hate Utah going for that instead of the full 4year deal anyways? Gives them a chance to see how the roster looks this season and still trade Lauri as a locked up piece if the team decides to blow up next season..

Maybe another loop hole the new CBA changed though.

[babyjax13]

Using Beal's recent value as a base...

Bulls get:
Right to Swap 2027 1sts with Detroit (Top 9 Protected)
Right to Swap 2028 1sts with Detroit
2024 Knicks 2nd
2028 Knicks 2nd
2029 Bucks 2nd
2030 Timberwolves 2nd

Pistons get:
Zach LaVine

Is expirings vs. being absorbed into cap space worth a 2nd and 2 swaps? The Wizards got expirings, 5 2nds and 4 swaps for Beal, but the Bulls would be dumping the salary outright here.

Good god. Detroit giving up control of their picks (and a crap-ton of immediate salary relief - not even junk EC's going back) for LaVine?

There should be a forced sale and complete FO cleaning if such a deal is even discussed.

In addition to the horrible direction, I'd say Beal had more value than LaVine and that immediate salary relief is worth the pick swaps from a good team (something Detroit can't offer).

At most, salary relief, perhaps a prospect Detroit has somewhat given up on, and the usual bunch of 2nds that seem to be in every Detroit trade recently.

Stewart, Grimes and 2nds?

I think Milton and Brown should be all Detroit offers, if they offer.

[babyjax13]

Another part on Lauri..

Similar to Turner.. Lauri could be kept trade eligible by turning him 1yr18 into a 3yr120ish, as long as year 2 and 3 are within 5% right?

For Lauri that’s the same as getting a 2yr100 and hitting free agency at 30 eligible for 35% max, seems good enough to give up the extra 90 million on what could be year 3 and 4. But keeping it 3 years means he can be trade eligible..

for the team getting Lauri, it’s getting a star locked up well below a 30% max..

I wouldn’t hate Utah going for that instead of the full 4year deal anyways? Gives them a chance to see how the roster looks this season and still trade Lauri as a locked up piece if the team decides to blow up next season..

Maybe another loop hole the new CBA changed though.

The renegotiate and extend rules are really interesting, they allow a ton of flexibility. I would not hate that, though I'd rather just lock him up long-term. Figure out the minimum amount needed to turn his contract into something more lucrative than a max deal after this one expires, and start negotiating from there.

[babyjax13]

Wonder if OKC brings Muscala back for depth with the open spot. With Biz, doesn't make a ton of sense. But can always use more size I think. And it's not like the team needs more guards or forwards really.

Could make sense with them releasing Poku, too.

[babyjax13]

On a random thought, 13-14 million seems more than enough for a team to do the same as Sabonis right? The future years would be discounted a bit less, but you could still easily get Lauri to 40 million in “year two”.. and it’s still a nice benefit to him not playing out as an expiring and risking injury..

Could be. The new 140% extension rules would help there, for sure.

When is the soonest Lauri could be traded with a renegotiate and extend?

[jayjaysee]

When is the soonest Lauri could be traded with a renegotiate and extend?

August 28th shows as the date he agreed to his current contract. Three years is 2024

[babyjax13]

When is the soonest Lauri could be traded with a renegotiate and extend?

August 28th shows as the date he agreed to his current contract. Three years is 2024

Does that mean we can renegotiate and extend him, then immediately trade him?

[jayjaysee]

When is the soonest Lauri could be traded with a renegotiate and extend?

August 28th shows as the date he agreed to his current contract. Three years is 2024

Does that mean we can renegotiate and extend him, then immediately trade him?

The CBA says it can’t be done in one move.

But from my memory doesn’t put a time period on the delay in trading him (such as 6 months) as long as the new seasons are within 5% of each other and it’s only an extra 2 seasons.

Myles Turner contract might have had the NBA change that rule, despite him not being traded.. I don’t see the explanation worded any differently in the new CBA though.

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[Scoot McGroot]

August 28th shows as the date he agreed to his current contract. Three years is 2024

Does that mean we can renegotiate and extend him, then immediately trade him?

The CBA says it can’t be done in one move.

But from my memory doesn’t put a time period on the delay in trading him (such as 6 months) as long as the new seasons are within 5% of each other and it’s only an extra 2 seasons.

Myles Turner contract might have had the NBA change that rule, despite him not being traded.. I don’t see the explanation worded any differently in the new CBA though.

I believe they did change the rule in this CBA. It's now a 6 month restriction from a renegotiation and extension before a player can be traded (I'm not sure exactly how much of a renegotiation up it would require to trigger the restriction, or if it's simply ALL negotiations). It is also a 6 month restriction after a player is traded before they would be eligible for a renegotiation and extension. I don't have the exact wording saved, nor exactly where the restriction was added in the new CBA. I originally got the info from a Bobby Marks tweet but confirmed it with a league source that does work involving this new CBA.

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[NYG]

What could be the Mavs all in offer this offseason and what could they get for it?

[NYG]

Zach LaVine for Jordan Poole and Richaun Holmes

[babyjax13]

Zach LaVine for Jordan Poole and Richaun Holmes

Too far in the other direction. I think a desperate contender (or 'almost contender') will offer filler (some expiring, some not) and a first.

[Mavrelous]

What could be the Mavs all in offer this offseason and what could they get for it?

With the new CBA, I don't think there is an all in offer for the Mavs.
Mavs have 2 1sts and 1 swap, young guys (Hardy and OMax) who don't have a 1st rd value, expendable contracts are THJ expiring and Dwight Powell 4 Mil this year and 4 the next.
The rest are real rotation guys, what the Mavs need:
1. Bench scorer and Kyrie injury backup, I'm thinking Sexton.
2. 3&D forward (like half the league).

If PJW continues to play well, improve his 3 pt shooting, I'd trade for Sexton, and sign DJJ for TPMLE.

Lively/Gafford/Maxi
PJW/OMax
Luka/DJJ
Green/Exum/Hardy
Kyrie/Sexton

+ 2 vet min contracts...

[zimpy27]

What could be the Mavs all in offer this offseason and what could they get for it?

With the new CBA, I don't think there is an all in offer for the Mavs.
Mavs have 2 1sts and 1 swap, young guys (Hardy and OMax) who don't have a 1st rd value, expendable contracts are THJ expiring and Dwight Powell 4 Mil this year and 4 the next.
The rest are real rotation guys, what the Mavs need:
1. Bench scorer and Kyrie injury backup, I'm thinking Sexton.
2. 3&D forward (like half the league).

If PJW continues to play well, improve his 3 pt shooting, I'd trade for Sexton, and sign DJJ for TPMLE.

Lively/Gafford/Maxi
PJW/OMax
Luka/DJJ
Green/Exum/Hardy
Kyrie/Sexton

+ 2 vet min contracts...

I think DFS remains a strong target. How do you feel about DFS+CamT for THJ+FRP+swap