2024 NBA Draft Thread

[TB]

Who is Risacher pro comp?

I feel like he could be a good complimentary piece who just makes winning plays. Would love him in Charlotte, but it looks like he will be the #1 pick.

Mentioned it in his thread but I see a mix of Trey Murphy and Kyle Kuzma the way he moves and plays.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I'm not sure if people are taking into consideration how young these guys are. They aren't finished products. With work ethic they should all be able to improve their handles and shots. What you can't teach is size and this is a very big draft class. These guys will all naturally put on muscle and with improved skill will look so much better in 3-4 years. It just seems like evaluators fail to take improving into account as much as they should. There's way too much emphasis put on efficiency and box scores imo.

[NYPiston]

Knecht is a top 5 pick in this draft. Yeah Yeah he's old, but he's a baller. I think he's a Keegan Murray level prospect and Keegan went 4th in a much better draft.

[JustBuzzin]

Knecht is a top 5 pick in this draft. Yeah Yeah he's old, but he's a baller. I think he's a Keegan Murray level prospect and Keegan went 4th in a much better draft.

No chance he goes in the top 5.

[The-Power]

Knecht is a top 5 pick in this draft. Yeah Yeah he's old, but he's a baller. I think he's a Keegan Murray level prospect and Keegan went 4th in a much better draft.

Keegan was objectively a much better player in college.

[Pokuokic]

Despite being a poor finisher when he gets to the rim and his 3pt shooting being pretty bad again this year I'm still really high on Nikola Djurisic 6'8 SG/PG with solid athletic ability and a great frame to add strength along with great passing/pick n roll game he could become one of those good undrafted/2 way pick ups. The jumper does not look broken either and a NBA strength program would help his finishing some. Talent is there just major rough spots to smooth out.

[NYPiston]

Keegan was objectively a much better player in college.

Better rebounder sure but offensively I'm not seeing a big difference outside of Keegan being a bit less more perimeter oriented so he was more efficient inside the arc. Both could score in a multitude of ways in college, were THE go to guy in their offense and also keeping in mind that Murray played in a more offense friendly system. If you think that Keegan was a MUCH better college player, I'm all ears. Better sure, more versatility on the defensive end sure, but I think their offensive games compare favorably.

I should have amended my original post. I see him as a Keegan level prospect offensively.

[Colbinii]

Knecht is a top 5 pick in this draft. Yeah Yeah he's old, but he's a baller. I think he's a Keegan Murray level prospect and Keegan went 4th in a much better draft.

This is such a weird take on multiple levels.

Dalton is over 1 year older than Keegan at the time of the draft, Knecht turning 23 before the draft while Keegan turned 22 right after the draft.

Keegan is a bigger--listed at 6' 8" and a 6' 11" wingspan. Dalton is 6' 5" or maybe 6' 6", we will find out at the combine.

Keegan was a legitimate 2-way player coming out of college, impacting the game on both ends of the court--his STL%, BLK% and OREB% absolutely crush Dalton's.

Keegan had a combination of NBA-level skills [Shooting, Movement without the ball, High-level Defensive positioning and instincts, Rebounding] which all could easily have been predicted to translate to the NBA. Dalton, on the other hand, is an on-ball scorer and good shooter who is undersized for a wing, doesn't show much promise defensively and has not shown and signs of being a high-level creator for others, which really makes projecting his skill-set into the NBA difficult and blurry.

The idea that these two players are similar talents or prospects isn't something I can get behind.

[Waynearchetype]

Can someone explain to me what Holland and Buzelis have that puts them so far ahead of Tyler Smith? I guess Holland has a better handle, and Buzelis has better defense, but Smiths shooting seems so far ahead of both. I don't understand how he isn't the top Ignite prospect.

Though, to be honest, I have caught exactly 2 ignite games and am going by mostly box scores and highlights. Maybe he stands around too much, maybe he's getting smoked on defense. Let me know what I'm missing.

[Colbinii]

Can someone explain to me what Holland and Buzelis have that puts them so far ahead of Tyler Smith? I guess Holland has a better handle, and Buzelis has better defense, but Smiths shooting seems so far ahead of both. I don't understand how he isn't the top Ignite prospect.

Though, to be honest, I have caught exactly 2 ignite games and am going by mostly box scores and highlights. Maybe he stands around too much, maybe he's getting smoked on defense. Let me know what I'm missing.

Short Answer for Holland:

Holland has a better handle, is more explosive and is better defensively, and is 8 months younger

Long Answer:

I think Holland has a few, very clear transferable skills which should allow him to become a decent NBA with clarity. He is an exceptional defender and has exceptional defensive instincts. He reads passing lanes and has quick hands which allows him to produce tons of deflections. He explodes to the rim with force and showed an ability to read a defense and/or collapse a defense and make a routine kick-out pass on multiple occasions. Essentially, if you think about 3 Simple Groups of Shoot/Pass/Defend, Holland does 1 exceptionally well [Defense] and has showed enough in another category where he looks like he could blossom to some higher-end outcomes [Passing].

Tyler Smith is a bit stiffer than Holland, a worse athlete and is simply more difficult to project into an NBA role or skill-sets. The shooting is nice, but what makes him a better prospect than Leonard Miller?

[Waynearchetype]

Can someone explain to me what Holland and Buzelis have that puts them so far ahead of Tyler Smith? I guess Holland has a better handle, and Buzelis has better defense, but Smiths shooting seems so far ahead of both. I don't understand how he isn't the top Ignite prospect.

Though, to be honest, I have caught exactly 2 ignite games and am going by mostly box scores and highlights. Maybe he stands around too much, maybe he's getting smoked on defense. Let me know what I'm missing.

Short Answer for Holland:

Holland has a better handle, is more explosive and is better defensively, and is 8 months younger

Long Answer:

I think Holland has a few, very clear transferable skills which should allow him to become a decent NBA with clarity. He is an exceptional defender and has exceptional defensive instincts. He reads passing lanes and has quick hands which allows him to produce tons of deflections. He explodes to the rim with force and showed an ability to read a defense and/or collapse a defense and make a routine kick-out pass on multiple occasions. Essentially, if you think about 3 Simple Groups of Shoot/Pass/Defend, Holland does 1 exceptionally well [Defense] and has showed enough in another category where he looks like he could blossom to some higher-end outcomes [Passing].

Tyler Smith is a bit stiffer than Holland, a worse athlete and is simply more difficult to project into an NBA role or skill-sets. The shooting is nice, but what makes him a better prospect than Leonard Miller?

Smith shooting 7% better from 3 than Miller on twice the volume is probably a good place to start.

[Jamaaliver]

Draymond 2.0?

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[Colbinii]

Can someone explain to me what Holland and Buzelis have that puts them so far ahead of Tyler Smith? I guess Holland has a better handle, and Buzelis has better defense, but Smiths shooting seems so far ahead of both. I don't understand how he isn't the top Ignite prospect.

Though, to be honest, I have caught exactly 2 ignite games and am going by mostly box scores and highlights. Maybe he stands around too much, maybe he's getting smoked on defense. Let me know what I'm missing.

Short Answer for Holland:

Holland has a better handle, is more explosive and is better defensively, and is 8 months younger

Long Answer:

I think Holland has a few, very clear transferable skills which should allow him to become a decent NBA with clarity. He is an exceptional defender and has exceptional defensive instincts. He reads passing lanes and has quick hands which allows him to produce tons of deflections. He explodes to the rim with force and showed an ability to read a defense and/or collapse a defense and make a routine kick-out pass on multiple occasions. Essentially, if you think about 3 Simple Groups of Shoot/Pass/Defend, Holland does 1 exceptionally well [Defense] and has showed enough in another category where he looks like he could blossom to some higher-end outcomes [Passing].

Tyler Smith is a bit stiffer than Holland, a worse athlete and is simply more difficult to project into an NBA role or skill-sets. The shooting is nice, but what makes him a better prospect than Leonard Miller?

Smith shooting 7% better from 3 than Miller on twice the volume is probably a good place to start.

So Sheppard is a GOAT level prospect for you?

Miller was a better defender and rebounder than Smith, fwiw.

[shangrila]

Draymond 2.0?

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I struggle to judge these heliocentric guys.

There's a skill to being able to play a role and play within a scheme. I don't know if he has it.

[Waynearchetype]

Short Answer for Holland:

Holland has a better handle, is more explosive and is better defensively, and is 8 months younger

Long Answer:

I think Holland has a few, very clear transferable skills which should allow him to become a decent NBA with clarity. He is an exceptional defender and has exceptional defensive instincts. He reads passing lanes and has quick hands which allows him to produce tons of deflections. He explodes to the rim with force and showed an ability to read a defense and/or collapse a defense and make a routine kick-out pass on multiple occasions. Essentially, if you think about 3 Simple Groups of Shoot/Pass/Defend, Holland does 1 exceptionally well [Defense] and has showed enough in another category where he looks like he could blossom to some higher-end outcomes [Passing].

Tyler Smith is a bit stiffer than Holland, a worse athlete and is simply more difficult to project into an NBA role or skill-sets. The shooting is nice, but what makes him a better prospect than Leonard Miller?

Smith shooting 7% better from 3 than Miller on twice the volume is probably a good place to start.

So Sheppard is a GOAT level prospect for you?

Miller was a better defender and rebounder than Smith, fwiw.

Why do people post like this? No dude, and I didn't say that. Not everyone is trying to fight you about your opinions, I was pointing something out. Relax.

[Colbinii]

Smith shooting 7% better from 3 than Miller on twice the volume is probably a good place to start.

So Sheppard is a GOAT level prospect for you?

Miller was a better defender and rebounder than Smith, fwiw.

Why do people post like this? No dude, and I didn't say that. Not everyone is trying to fight you about your opinions, I was pointing something out. Relax.

I am also pointing out something.

Am I doing anything different than you did--aside from add far more context and detail in my original response compared to yours?

[shangrila]

Draymond 2.0?

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I struggle to judge these heliocentric guys.

There's a skill to being able to play a role and play within a scheme. I don't know if he has it.

And after I say this he drops 30pts, 23rbds (not a typo), 9asts and 3stls. Efficiency wasn't great as he went 1-9 from 3 but he did go perfect from the line (11-11).

Just crazy numbers. At some point you stop worrying about role and just take him to see what he can do.

He also played 45 minutes in this OT game, so I assume the Knicks are going to end up drafting him.

[Chi town]

Draymond 2.0?

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I struggle to judge these heliocentric guys.

There's a skill to being able to play a role and play within a scheme. I don't know if he has it.

Biggest advantage is he’s left hand dominant but shoots 3s and long jumpers right handed.

Justice Winslow with a jumper?

Not really that interesting.

[shangrila]

Draymond 2.0?

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I struggle to judge these heliocentric guys.

There's a skill to being able to play a role and play within a scheme. I don't know if he has it.

Biggest advantage is he’s left hand dominant but shoots 3s and long jumpers right handed.

Justice Winslow with a jumper?

Not really that interesting.

Not a bad comparison stylistically. I think Winslow had better physical tools though.

[Chi town]

Big Z with another big impact game. Coach Cal has him closing games now.

Kid is gonna be a stud. He will go top 20. Before Filipowski.