Wisconsin Badgers Thread

[BUCKnation]

Obviously not every player is going to show up and make the jump like Storr did, but Gard has to see the success he has had (basically walking into the team and immediately become the best player) and try to pursue the portal as much as possible. Chris Mac is certainly seems willing to go the extra mile as an AD to help him with that as well.

One of the best players in the country this year (Knecht) was at Northern Colorado last year.

[Kerb Hohl]

“Greg Gard, a consistently top-10 guy”

At least the discourse is honest.

I'm not sure if you read what I wrote correctly...The football coaches were consistently hovering around the top 10 at times, Bo Ryan was always there.

Gard has been more like consistently top 20 other than 2018 where there were obvious, unavoidable reasons (this is where our fun debate began where all of you guys thought 2018 was the norm and have completely whitewashed it from your memories...ahh, memories).

Until the transfer portal/NIL game began. Then his results went from, "eh, it's not Bo Ryan but this is fine" to a situation where I don't think even hanging around the top 20 will happen anymore.

It went quickly with Chryst as well. The game changed around 2020 and he looked like a turd really fast. Gard is at least trying to keep up with the times so it's kind of watchable?

[midranger]

You’re out there fighting windmills my friend.

[DingleJerry]

Obviously not every player is going to show up and make the jump like Storr did, but Gard has to see the success he has had (basically walking into the team and immediately become the best player) and try to pursue the portal as much as possible. Chris Mac is certainly seems willing to go the extra mile as an AD to help him with that as well.

One of the best players in the country this year (Knecht) was at Northern Colorado last year.

And as limited as Klesmit has been he's better than any G they've recruited the last chunk of years (probably since Davison?). Yup, this has to be embraced more. Last offseason was progress, this year needs more and have to get a good athletic PF who can shoot competently. One of the most frustrating things to me is UW/Bo were one of the pioneers of 5 out basketball where all guys can shoot, yet this last few years of frustration have stemmed from playing only 3 guys who can shoot. How have we gone backwards on the thing we pretty much showed to everyone else.

I'd guess they have plenty of spots to get transfers. Essegian is almost for sure gone, I'd guess Gus, and then one or two backup types. Should be space to add some actual athletes but have to get a legit PF if you want to legit win and not just be an avg tourney team. And if there is some Fresh/Soph transfer can sell them that so many guys are gone after next year that tons of mins for them after getting their feet wet next year.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I would like to announce that after a lot of thought and careful deliberation I am still not completely out on Greg Gard. Please respect my decision as it was not an easy one. I will have no further comment at this time.

[chonestown]

Obviously not every player is going to show up and make the jump like Storr did, but Gard has to see the success he has had (basically walking into the team and immediately become the best player) and try to pursue the portal as much as possible. Chris Mac is certainly seems willing to go the extra mile as an AD to help him with that as well.

One of the best players in the country this year (Knecht) was at Northern Colorado last year.

And as limited as Klesmit has been better than any G they've recruited the last chunk of years (probably since Davison?). Yup, this has to be embraced more. Last offseason was progress, this year needs more and have to get a good athletic PF who can shoot competently. One of the most frustrating things to me is UW/Bo were one of the pioneers of 5 out basketball where all guys can shoot, yet this last few years of frustration have stemmed from playing only 3 guys who can shoot. How have we gone backwards on the thing we pretty much showed to everyone else.

I'd guess they have plenty of spots to get transfers. Essegian is almost for sure gone, I'd guess Gus, and then one or two backup types. Should be space to add some actual athletes but have to get a legit PF if you want to legit win and not just be an avg tourney team. And if there is some Fresh/Soph transfer can sell them that so many guys are gone after next year that tons of mins for them after getting their feet wet next year.

They are really light at the 4. If they don't get any minutes there out of the portal, figure there'll either be a bunch of Winter-Crowl line-ups or Chucky-Klesmax-Storr-Freitag. Each configuration is kinda goofy.

Maybe Robinson shows out, but not counting on much. Minutes are there for Gus, but he'll either be gone or not good enough for them. Still convinced he'll be a super-fun mid division player if he gets right.

[Kerb Hohl]

Obviously not every player is going to show up and make the jump like Storr did, but Gard has to see the success he has had (basically walking into the team and immediately become the best player) and try to pursue the portal as much as possible. Chris Mac is certainly seems willing to go the extra mile as an AD to help him with that as well.

One of the best players in the country this year (Knecht) was at Northern Colorado last year.

And as limited as Klesmit has been better than any G they've recruited the last chunk of years (probably since Davison?). Yup, this has to be embraced more. Last offseason was progress, this year needs more and have to get a good athletic PF who can shoot competently. One of the most frustrating things to me is UW/Bo were one of the pioneers of 5 out basketball where all guys can shoot, yet this last few years of frustration have stemmed from playing only 3 guys who can shoot. How have we gone backwards on the thing we pretty much showed to everyone else.

I'd guess they have plenty of spots to get transfers. Essegian is almost for sure gone, I'd guess Gus, and then one or two backup types. Should be space to add some actual athletes but have to get a legit PF if you want to legit win and not just be an avg tourney team. And if there is some Fresh/Soph transfer can sell them that so many guys are gone after next year that tons of mins for them after getting their feet wet next year.

They are really light at the 4. If they don't get any minutes there out of the portal, figure there'll either be a bunch of Winter-Crowl line-ups or Chucky-Klesmax-Storr-Freitag. Each configuration is kinda goofy.

Maybe Robinson shows out, but not counting on much. Minutes are there for Gus, but he'll either be gone or not good enough for them. Still convinced he'll be a super-fun mid division player if he gets right.

I'm not privy to practice, but obviously all of the reports were that Gus was not really very high in the rotation.

In this day and age, it's too late. Maybe he blossoms elsewhere and we regret it, but you tell him he can work his way up like Ilver or take a look at Coastal Carolina. I know you know this, but unfortunately he is probably not going to make a dent worthy of counting on him for any amount of time.

They need to grab 2 forward/center types in the portal IMO, which is kind of hard because you kinda have to promise minutes to get anyone worth a damn and not piss someone like Winter off. Guard...if Essegian leaves you may want something there, but it's much less of a need.

[midranger]

Maybe Gus needs MORE weed!?!?

[chonestown]

Maybe Gus needs MORE weed!?!?

Groundbreaking NIL opportunity.imo

Who knows, maybe he needs to cultivate mass and recapture his prep glory.

[MikeIsGood]

Maybe Gus needs MORE weed!?!?

Groundbreaking NIL opportunity.imo

Who knows, maybe he needs to cultivate mass and recapture his prep glory.

Back in my day, we let (Jason Chappell/Kevin Gullickson/JP Gavinski/other generic UW white big) have an official shirt that got handed out to students that literally said "Weed Man" on it.

I would like to announce that after a lot of thought and careful deliberation I am still not completely out on Greg Gard. Please respect my decision as it was not an easy one. I will have no further comment at this time.

Same tbh. I mean, probably, but I'm not committed to it. And I'm not looking forward to this thread regressing into this I guess the past two seasons of relative harmony were too much.

[Kerb Hohl]

Maybe Gus needs MORE weed!?!?

To be fair the whole thread probably does.

[DingleJerry]

Maybe Gus needs MORE weed!?!?

Groundbreaking NIL opportunity.imo

Who knows, maybe he needs to cultivate mass and recapture his prep glory.

Back in my day, we let (Jason Chappell/Kevin Gullickson/JP Gavinski/other generic UW white big) have an official shirt that got handed out to students that literally said "Weed Man" on it.

I would like to announce that after a lot of thought and careful deliberation I am still not completely out on Greg Gard. Please respect my decision as it was not an easy one. I will have no further comment at this time.

Same tbh. I mean, probably, but I'm not committed to it. And I'm not looking forward to this thread regressing into this I guess the past two seasons of relative harmony were too much.

Two seasons of harmony? It was more like two months this year when they only lost one game. Other than if they're not its calling for firing after every loss. Definitely was a thing last year as they blew all those close games and didn't make the tourney.

Generally I'm with you guys, its been an improved 'fine' year overall. Sucks we got our hopes up and thought they were legit, but generally speaking the end result is what we wanted to start the year (unless they lose the next 4 games and are effed, which then hey I get the ax coming after a collapse like that). Give it another year, vet team, hope for more improvement. Assess next year.

[jute2003]

I'd just like to point out that I never thought they were a top 6 team and I still don't think they should fire Gard.

[MikeIsGood]

Two seasons of harmony? It was more like two months this year when they only lost one game. Other than if they're not its calling for firing after every loss. Definitely was a thing last year as they blew all those close games and didn't make the tourney.

Generally I'm with you guys, its been an improved 'fine' year overall. Sucks we got our hopes up and thought they were legit, but generally speaking the end result is what we wanted to start the year (unless they lose the next 4 games and are effed, which then hey I get the ax coming after a collapse like that). Give it another year, vet team, hope for more improvement. Assess next year.

I wasn't talked about this season's streak. The thread has just generally been less hostile for a couple seasons IIRC. I definitely don't recall people calling for his head after every loss last season, and certainly not with 2-3 pages of people at each other's throats like it was for a couple seasons, but I'm sure I'm less sensitive to it than you are.

[DingleJerry]

Two seasons of harmony? It was more like two months this year when they only lost one game. Other than if they're not its calling for firing after every loss. Definitely was a thing last year as they blew all those close games and didn't make the tourney.

Generally I'm with you guys, its been an improved 'fine' year overall. Sucks we got our hopes up and thought they were legit, but generally speaking the end result is what we wanted to start the year (unless they lose the next 4 games and are effed, which then hey I get the ax coming after a collapse like that). Give it another year, vet team, hope for more improvement. Assess next year.

I wasn't talked about this season's streak. The thread has just generally been less hostile for a couple seasons IIRC. I definitely don't recall people calling for his head after every loss last season, and certainly not with 2-3 pages of people at each other's throats like it was for a couple seasons, but I'm sure I'm less sensitive to it than you are.

Right, I was just surprised anyone would say this fire talk didn't exist during such a bad year last year. It was, uh, quite prevalent in spite of winning the conference the literal year before. Then this year starts badly and of course it hammers on a again, and after Providence it was tough to blame anyone as at that point it looked like another no tourney year. Then two months of being good it went away, like two games of struggles and it was right back.

And to be be clear, I don't think its wrong to start talking about it now. Bad year last year, what looks like an epic collapse this year, so no seems to be about when the discussion should be started imo. It should not be during the seasons following championships like had happened in 21 and 23 season. Or say they'd stayed being good this year and got 2nd to Pur, like a 3 seed and won a game in the tourney. Or say they bounce back now, beat Il and Rut, win one or two in B1G, one or two in NCAA. After you lose a game or two next year there should be no "told ya Gard isn't the guy" stuff. Finish out this year dogsshh like its going now, yea next year the fire is hot and can't blame anyone. Just can't have the overreactions and be the programs that fires coached every 2-3 years, its not the best long term way to do things.

[midranger]

I'd just like to point out that I never thought they were a top 6 team and I still don't think they should fire Gard.

I’m here too. My man has won two Big Ten Championships in the past 5 years? He’s doing pretty darn well. I don’t think it’s beyond reproach though. Not sure how suggesting that 44% shooting Crowl should at least look at the rim when he catches wide open beyond the arc turned into what it did, but whatever. Let’s get this win tomorrow.

[LittleRooster]

I'd just like to point out that I never thought they were a top 6 team and I still don't think they should fire Gard.

This is where I’m at as well


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[chonestown]

Apparent consensus I guess.

[Kerb Hohl]

Two seasons of harmony? It was more like two months this year when they only lost one game. Other than if they're not its calling for firing after every loss. Definitely was a thing last year as they blew all those close games and didn't make the tourney.

Generally I'm with you guys, its been an improved 'fine' year overall. Sucks we got our hopes up and thought they were legit, but generally speaking the end result is what we wanted to start the year (unless they lose the next 4 games and are effed, which then hey I get the ax coming after a collapse like that). Give it another year, vet team, hope for more improvement. Assess next year.

I wasn't talked about this season's streak. The thread has just generally been less hostile for a couple seasons IIRC. I definitely don't recall people calling for his head after every loss last season, and certainly not with 2-3 pages of people at each other's throats like it was for a couple seasons, but I'm sure I'm less sensitive to it than you are.

Right, I was just surprised anyone would say this fire talk didn't exist during such a bad year last year. It was, uh, quite prevalent in spite of winning the conference the literal year before. Then this year starts badly and of course it hammers on a again, and after Providence it was tough to blame anyone as at that point it looked like another no tourney year. Then two months of being good it went away, like two games of struggles and it was right back.

And to be be clear, I don't think its wrong to start talking about it now. Bad year last year, what looks like an epic collapse this year, so no seems to be about when the discussion should be started imo. It should not be during the seasons following championships like had happened in 21 and 23 season. Or say they'd stayed being good this year and got 2nd to Pur, like a 3 seed and won a game in the tourney. Or say they bounce back now, beat Il and Rut, win one or two in B1G, one or two in NCAA. After you lose a game or two next year there should be no "told ya Gard isn't the guy" stuff. Finish out this year dogsshh like its going now, yea next year the fire is hot and can't blame anyone. Just can't have the overreactions and be the programs that fires coached every 2-3 years, its not the best long term way to do things.

Here’s the thing: yeah, next year’s team could be pretty good if they hit a home run in Wahl’s spot through the portal. It’s not going to be a bad team.

But if you hire a new, good coach these days, 3/4 of the guys may stay and even if they don’t, he can build just as good of a team or better in a single offseason.

[buckboy]

Got a little dusty in my living room for Howard Moore.

What a senseless **** tragedy.