J.Grant....trades

[HartfordWhalers]

I wouldn’t use 2 firsts for that while also losing all your free agents. That just sounds like wasting 2 firsts…

[Norm2953]

I thought about this type of deal a bunch. Would the Blazers take Stewart for Grant straight up? Pistons could use a leader and he fits exactly what the Pistons need. He can be a 3 and D player for the Pistons. He could also guard both forward spots and be a good supporting scorer.

I'd defer to Vege if he's do that trade.

Jerami might fill a real need if Detroit ends up drafting Sarr for he can at least make an open jumper.

[jayjaysee]

I’m sure Scoot explained this to me last week, but my memory is terrible and my searching skills here have diminished with it.. I think I was told just doing a sign and trade triggers the hard cap? But if it’s under 100% and doesn’t aggregate..

Could Philly/cap space third team/Portland agree to a…

Buddy Hield getting a 3year90 million dollar declining deal with only one year guarantee or maybe two years if you’re afraid of the league getting involved…

Where Philly can match Grant without aggregating, without taking back more than 100%.. so would potentially avoid the new rules for hard capping? And wouldn’t lose bird rights for Melton, Harris, Batum, etc..

And if you’re on that train, maybe you can pull off Grant.. Or maybe it’s Lauri and no third team really needed..

[JRoy]

I’m sure Scoot explained this to me last week, but my memory is terrible and my searching skills here have diminished with it.. I think I was told just doing a sign and trade triggers the hard cap? But if it’s under 100% and doesn’t aggregate..

Could Philly/cap space third team/Portland agree to a…

Buddy Hield getting a 3year90 million dollar declining deal with only one year guarantee or maybe two years if you’re afraid of the league getting involved…

Where Philly can match Grant without aggregating, without taking back more than 100%.. so would potentially avoid the new rules for hard capping? And wouldn’t lose bird rights for Melton, Harris, Batum, etc..

And if you’re on that train, maybe you can pull off Grant.. Or maybe it’s Lauri and no third team really needed..

Is the third team getting Hield? Zero interest in him from POR. Want picks and youth.

[jayjaysee]

I’m sure Scoot explained this to me last week, but my memory is terrible and my searching skills here have diminished with it.. I think I was told just doing a sign and trade triggers the hard cap? But if it’s under 100% and doesn’t aggregate..

Could Philly/cap space third team/Portland agree to a…

Buddy Hield getting a 3year90 million dollar declining deal with only one year guarantee or maybe two years if you’re afraid of the league getting involved…

Where Philly can match Grant without aggregating, without taking back more than 100%.. so would potentially avoid the new rules for hard capping? And wouldn’t lose bird rights for Melton, Harris, Batum, etc..

And if you’re on that train, maybe you can pull off Grant.. Or maybe it’s Lauri and no third team really needed..

Is the third team getting Hield? Zero interest in him from POR. Want picks and youth.

Yeah, of course.

“Detroit” - Buddy and the worst 2026 first (OKCs)
Portland - huge TPE, player selected in 2024 first and a future pretty moderately protected 2029 first (or just a worst of 2028 firsts LAC/Philly I guess is simpler)
Philly - Grant

Philly pays 3 firsts for Grant in order to maintain their roster around Joel/Maxey. Portland can take the TPE or maybe the third team is a team with bad salary they’re willing to dump for Buddy on a bloated contract. Or find a fourth team. Lot more work involved in that fleshing out for such a random bad idea...

I doubt it’s legal but it seemed fun to try.

[giberish]

I’m sure Scoot explained this to me last week, but my memory is terrible and my searching skills here have diminished with it.. I think I was told just doing a sign and trade triggers the hard cap? But if it’s under 100% and doesn’t aggregate..

Could Philly/cap space third team/Portland agree to a…

Buddy Hield getting a 3year90 million dollar declining deal with only one year guarantee or maybe two years if you’re afraid of the league getting involved…

Where Philly can match Grant without aggregating, without taking back more than 100%.. so would potentially avoid the new rules for hard capping? And wouldn’t lose bird rights for Melton, Harris, Batum, etc..

And if you’re on that train, maybe you can pull off Grant.. Or maybe it’s Lauri and no third team really needed..

Assuming it didn't change in the last CBA update, taking a playing in a S&T deal invokes a hard cap at the first apron. That really shouldn't be an issue for Philly (the 1st apron is way over the salary cap line and I don't see them with in-house FA's that they'd give new contracts at $30-40M over their cap holds).

[JRoy]

I’m sure Scoot explained this to me last week, but my memory is terrible and my searching skills here have diminished with it.. I think I was told just doing a sign and trade triggers the hard cap? But if it’s under 100% and doesn’t aggregate..

Could Philly/cap space third team/Portland agree to a…

Buddy Hield getting a 3year90 million dollar declining deal with only one year guarantee or maybe two years if you’re afraid of the league getting involved…

Where Philly can match Grant without aggregating, without taking back more than 100%.. so would potentially avoid the new rules for hard capping? And wouldn’t lose bird rights for Melton, Harris, Batum, etc..

And if you’re on that train, maybe you can pull off Grant.. Or maybe it’s Lauri and no third team really needed..

Is the third team getting Hield? Zero interest in him from POR. Want picks and youth.

Yeah, of course.

“Detroit” - Buddy and the worst 2026 first (OKCs)
Portland - huge TPE, player selected in 2024 first and a future pretty moderately protected 2029 first (or just a worst of 2028 firsts LAC/Philly I guess is simpler)
Philly - Grant

Philly pays 3 firsts for Grant in order to maintain their roster around Joel/Maxey. Portland can take the TPE or maybe the third team is a team with bad salary they’re willing to dump for Buddy on a bloated contract. Or find a fourth team. Lot more work involved in that fleshing out for such a random bad idea...

I doubt it’s legal but it seemed fun to try.

PHI doesn’t want to pay 2 FRP for Grant and Brogdon.

I don’t agree. I think they would be perfect for a title run in PHI, assuming Embiid is healthy for the post season. Opinions vary.

[jayjaysee]

Is the third team getting Hield? Zero interest in him from POR. Want picks and youth.

Yeah, of course.

“Detroit” - Buddy and the worst 2026 first (OKCs)
Portland - huge TPE, player selected in 2024 first and a future pretty moderately protected 2029 first (or just a worst of 2028 firsts LAC/Philly I guess is simpler)
Philly - Grant

Philly pays 3 firsts for Grant in order to maintain their roster around Joel/Maxey. Portland can take the TPE or maybe the third team is a team with bad salary they’re willing to dump for Buddy on a bloated contract. Or find a fourth team. Lot more work involved in that fleshing out for such a random bad idea...

I doubt it’s legal but it seemed fun to try.

PHI doesn’t want to pay 2 FRP for Grant and Brogdon.

I don’t agree. I think they would be perfect for a title run in PHI, assuming Embiid is healthy for the post season. Opinions vary.

Philly would probably pay two firsts for Grant and Brogdon to add to the group?

But those two at the cost of Harris, Buddy, and Melton (Reed, Batum, KJM).. I’m not sure why they’d pay much if anything.

My idea was just trying to pay something to keep everyone that really matters and add the one they should want (imo always..)

[jayjaysee]

I’m sure Scoot explained this to me last week, but my memory is terrible and my searching skills here have diminished with it.. I think I was told just doing a sign and trade triggers the hard cap? But if it’s under 100% and doesn’t aggregate..

Could Philly/cap space third team/Portland agree to a…

Buddy Hield getting a 3year90 million dollar declining deal with only one year guarantee or maybe two years if you’re afraid of the league getting involved…

Where Philly can match Grant without aggregating, without taking back more than 100%.. so would potentially avoid the new rules for hard capping? And wouldn’t lose bird rights for Melton, Harris, Batum, etc..

And if you’re on that train, maybe you can pull off Grant.. Or maybe it’s Lauri and no third team really needed..

Assuming it didn't change in the last CBA update, taking a playing in a S&T deal invokes a hard cap at the first apron. That really shouldn't be an issue for Philly (the 1st apron is way over the salary cap line and I don't see them with in-house FA's that they'd give new contracts at $30-40M over their cap holds).

I thought I remembered a rule being added about outgoing sign and trades.

Incoming sign and trades.. like a double sign and trade where they pay Indiana or NY or Charlotte to turn their forward into their forward? I think the hard cap comes into play there once you have 3 max/near max guys and trying to build depth.

Better to try to avoid hard capping yourself.

But it’s better (almost necessary) to have depth when going over the new apron with all the new limitations in this CBA. That was my motivation at least..

[Clav]

How about....

POR
Grant, Ayton out + picks

CHI
Vuc, Carter, Caruso out + POR 25 FRP

PHL
Embiid and Paul Reed out

~

POR gets Embiid and Caruso + Returned 25 FRP - sent to PHL

76ers get Grant, Vuc, and Jevon Carter, POR 25, 27, 29, FRPs POR [can the 31 be sent too ?]

Bulls get Ayton and Reed, PHL seconds, POR seconds, 24 GSW FRP (via POR)

[JRoy]

How about....

POR
Grant, Ayton out + picks

CHI
Vuc, Carter, Caruso out + POR 25 FRP

PHL
Embiid and Paul Reed out

~

POR gets Embiid and Caruso + Returned 25 FRP - sent to PHL

76ers get Grant, Vuc, and Jevon Carter, POR 25, 27, 29, FRPs POR [can the 31 be sent too ?]

Bulls get Ayton and Reed, PHL seconds, POR seconds, 24 GSW FRP (via POR)

Why on Earth would Embiid want POR and why would a trash tier POR give up the future for 30 year old Embiid?

[tester551]

I’m sure Scoot explained this to me last week, but my memory is terrible and my searching skills here have diminished with it.. I think I was told just doing a sign and trade triggers the hard cap? But if it’s under 100% and doesn’t aggregate..

Could Philly/cap space third team/Portland agree to a…

Buddy Hield getting a 3year90 million dollar declining deal with only one year guarantee or maybe two years if you’re afraid of the league getting involved…

Where Philly can match Grant without aggregating, without taking back more than 100%.. so would potentially avoid the new rules for hard capping? And wouldn’t lose bird rights for Melton, Harris, Batum, etc..

And if you’re on that train, maybe you can pull off Grant.. Or maybe it’s Lauri and no third team really needed..

Assuming it didn't change in the last CBA update, taking a playing in a S&T deal invokes a hard cap at the first apron. That really shouldn't be an issue for Philly (the 1st apron is way over the salary cap line and I don't see them with in-house FA's that they'd give new contracts at $30-40M over their cap holds).

The team receiving the S&T player is the one that is hard-capped.... not Philly.

“Detroit” - Buddy and the worst 2026 first (OKCs)
Portland - huge TPE, player selected in 2024 first and a future pretty moderately protected 2029 first (or just a worst of 2028 firsts LAC/Philly I guess is simpler)
Philly - Grant

In this scenario, 'Detroit' (or whomever gets Buddy) is the only one that would be hard-capped.

[Clav]

How about....

POR
Grant, Ayton out + picks

CHI
Vuc, Carter, Caruso out + POR 25 FRP

PHL
Embiid and Paul Reed out

~

POR gets Embiid and Caruso + Returned 25 FRP - sent to PHL

76ers get Grant, Vuc, and Jevon Carter, POR 25, 27, 29, FRPs POR [can the 31 be sent too ?]

Bulls get Ayton and Reed, PHL seconds, POR seconds, 24 GSW FRP (via POR)

Why on Earth would Embiid want POR and why would a trash tier POR give up the future for 30 year old Embiid?

Just thinking of something out of the box, I thought you might want Ayton's bad contract off the roster for a legitimate top tier big Friday afternoon spitballing

Jokic, KAT/Gobert, Holmgren, Embiid in the same division, Wemby AD and JJJ around the corner.

[JRoy]

How about....

POR
Grant, Ayton out + picks

CHI
Vuc, Carter, Caruso out + POR 25 FRP

PHL
Embiid and Paul Reed out

~

POR gets Embiid and Caruso + Returned 25 FRP - sent to PHL

76ers get Grant, Vuc, and Jevon Carter, POR 25, 27, 29, FRPs POR [can the 31 be sent too ?]

Bulls get Ayton and Reed, PHL seconds, POR seconds, 24 GSW FRP (via POR)

Why on Earth would Embiid want POR and why would a trash tier POR give up the future for 30 year old Embiid?

Just thinking of something out of the box, I thought you might want Ayton's bad contract off the roster for a legitimate top tier big Friday afternoon spitballing

Jokic, KAT/Gobert, Holmgren, Embiid in the same division, Wemby AD and JJJ around the corner.

That is definitely out of the box thinking.

PHI is really close, sending out their best player and recent mvp would have to return a kings ransom and this does not.

[jayjaysee]

“Detroit” - Buddy and the worst 2026 first (OKCs)
Portland - huge TPE, player selected in 2024 first and a future pretty moderately protected 2029 first (or just a worst of 2028 firsts LAC/Philly I guess is simpler)
Philly - Grant

In this scenario, 'Detroit' (or whomever gets Buddy) is the only one that would be hard-capped.

That’s how it’s always been, just was thinking the loophole to adding salary would’ve been taken away in the new CBA. If I see it, then GM’s and such will see it.

[NYG]

One of Philly's picks for Grant?