2023-2024 Official Around the NBA Discussion Thread

[Skybox]

Keyonte is going to be an All Star PG, my lord we missed on him so bad

You really seeing that? I'm seeing Anfernee Simons right now.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Good fight by the Jazz, but not enough. They play hard.

[thelead]

Simons would've been nice to get with the 11th pick.

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100%. But he wouldn't be doing this for us if we drafted him. Just like we have no idea how good/bad Jett is right now.

I would have drafted Whitmore over Jett. Hell, I EASILY had Keyonte over Jett as well.

My argument is about Keyonte not being ready to play for a winning team and him not getting minutes here to prove he belongs in the league (which he clearly does)

[thelead]

Miami has been great as of late (10-3 in their last 13). I think they finish ahead of us.

Question is, do we want to finish 5th and face them at 4, or finish 6 and play the Cavs instead?

In other words, would we rather play the Heat or the Cavs in the 1st round if we can finish in the top 6?

[RookieStar]

Keyonte is going to be fine. He's a rookie but my goodness does he make a ton of mistakes. I'm sure he wouldn't be playing for Mose this year.

He is making it up by being an absolute bucket though. lol

Mose would not care, the defense and TO's are crazy bad. He is a bucket though. No denying that.

Yeah... well they threw him into the fire as a PG. I think if we let AB loose like that his TOs would be vraxy as well.

However, if he does play for us, itl be like an offgurad with the benchm he will have Ingles to throw for playmaking and Moe for inside points. We would probably just ask him to do what he does best, score.

[RookieStar]

It might irk some people to talk about contending when we are yet to see Paolo and Franz taste playoff basketball, but to me it needs to be all about what's next and how to get there.

As it stands, I see only two teams as clear contenders for coming out of East - Celtics and Bucks, with Heat alway lurking in shadows waiting to pounce at any weakness they might have (and they do). Clearly we are not on that level yet, and it is not even close. But, neighter are rest of the East - and that presents a chance. So, while we may get to enjoy some thrilled games this postseason, I am more anxious to see the plan and execution for getting us to contender status next season.

Re: the Heat... anyone else think of MIA gets called properly by the refs they wouldnt be that good? They do a lot of moving screens esp by Bam and holding/grabbing plus Kevin Loves dangerous undercuts.

Well they do that on purpose. There is a quote from Pat Riley essentially saying that they foul every single time because he knows the refs eventually stop calling it if you foul every time, so yes they intentionally play that way to get away with stuff and they do get away with a lot as a result.

Yeah.. which is kinda unfair for the rest of the league. Foul them out and they will play by the rules like the rest of the league

[3ddman23]

Miami has been great as of late (10-3 in their last 13). I think they finish ahead of us.

Question is, do we want to finish 5th and face them at 4, or finish 6 and play the Cavs instead?

In other words, would we rather play the Heat or the Cavs in the 1st round if we can finish in the top 6?

6th all the way. I want nothing to do with miami in the first round( altough im not really to scared of them casue i think we match up low key well with them). But Our home games would essentially be road games. Give me the cavs( or even Milwaukee) that don't have a strong nation fan base.

If we can stay away from Boston, miami and NY I'll be good. I want magic fans to pack the house at our home games.

[thelead]

He is making it up by being an absolute bucket though. lol

Mose would not care, the defense and TO's are crazy bad. He is a bucket though. No denying that.

Yeah... well they threw him into the fire as a PG. I think if we let AB loose like that his TOs would be vraxy as well.

However, if he does play for us, itl be like an offgurad with the benchm he will have Ingles to throw for playmaking and Moe for inside points. We would probably just ask him to do what he does best, score.

That's Cole's role. I would prefer Keyonte but you know he wouldn't get the minutes to take Cole's role here in year 1.

[RookieStar]

Miami has been great as of late (10-3 in their last 13). I think they finish ahead of us.

Question is, do we want to finish 5th and face them at 4, or finish 6 and play the Cavs instead?

In other words, would we rather play the Heat or the Cavs in the 1st round if we can finish in the top 6?

6th all the way. I want nothing to do with miami in the first round( altough im not really to scared of them casue i think we match up low key well with them). But Our home games would essentially be road games. Give me the cavs( or even Milwaukee) that don't have a strong nation fan base.

If we can stay away from Boston, miami and NY I'll be good. I want magic fans to pack the house at our home games.

You know MIA will injure our players... plus we wont get a fair whistle. Besides... we have Suggs and AB to sic DON.

[eyriq]

Mose would not care, the defense and TO's are crazy bad. He is a bucket though. No denying that.

Yeah... well they threw him into the fire as a PG. I think if we let AB loose like that his TOs would be vraxy as well.

However, if he does play for us, itl be like an offgurad with the benchm he will have Ingles to throw for playmaking and Moe for inside points. We would probably just ask him to do what he does best, score.

That's Cole's role. I would prefer Keyonte but you know he wouldn't get the minutes to take Cole's role here in year 1.

It just shows how flawed our approach with rookies has been this season. "Rookies with tremendous upside wouldn't be playing" over our scrubs is just disgusting.

[SOUL]

"Rookies with tremendous upside wouldn't be playing" over our scrubs is just disgusting.

Who shouldn't be playing though? I mean we know Fultz but his impact has been kinda similar to AB. But to be fair there are a lot of games this year where AB has played over 20 minutes (27).

If we're talking about Jett... who?

[thelead]

Yeah... well they threw him into the fire as a PG. I think if we let AB loose like that his TOs would be vraxy as well.

However, if he does play for us, itl be like an offgurad with the benchm he will have Ingles to throw for playmaking and Moe for inside points. We would probably just ask him to do what he does best, score.

That's Cole's role. I would prefer Keyonte but you know he wouldn't get the minutes to take Cole's role here in year 1.

It just shows how flawed our approach with rookies has been this season. "Rookies with tremendous upside wouldn't be playing" over our scrubs is just disgusting.

I think it says more about how much Mose values defense. Cole has actually become a respectable defender as of late. Keyonte is a traffic cone right now.

[RookieStar]

Mose would not care, the defense and TO's are crazy bad. He is a bucket though. No denying that.

Yeah... well they threw him into the fire as a PG. I think if we let AB loose like that his TOs would be vraxy as well.

However, if he does play for us, itl be like an offgurad with the benchm he will have Ingles to throw for playmaking and Moe for inside points. We would probably just ask him to do what he does best, score.

That's Cole's role. I would prefer Keyonte but you know he wouldn't get the minutes to take Cole's role here in year 1.

Yeah Cole pounds the ball.. but it would be better of he has someone on the outside to throw it to with the threat to score.

[eyriq]

"Rookies with tremendous upside wouldn't be playing" over our scrubs is just disgusting.

Who shouldn't be playing though? I mean we know Fultz but his impact has been kinda similar to AB. But to be fair there are a lot of games this year where AB has played over 20 minutes (27).

If we're talking about Jett... who?

I consider Fultz and Harris the scrubs. Harris mainly because he's low volume, low impact, and injury prone.

[RookieStar]

Yeah... well they threw him into the fire as a PG. I think if we let AB loose like that his TOs would be vraxy as well.

However, if he does play for us, itl be like an offgurad with the benchm he will have Ingles to throw for playmaking and Moe for inside points. We would probably just ask him to do what he does best, score.

That's Cole's role. I would prefer Keyonte but you know he wouldn't get the minutes to take Cole's role here in year 1.

It just shows how flawed our approach with rookies has been this season. "Rookies with tremendous upside wouldn't be playing" over our scrubs is just disgusting.

Maybe... but then again, bottom line is we cannot complain where we are at right now. As much as we like to see more mins for rookies, are we really gonna exchange that for allstar season Paolo? Resurgent JI? Moe " im not just Franz brother " Wagner?

Or the most important fact that we are 5th seed this late in the game?

A lot here predicted we wpuld be fighting for playin maybe 9th/10th seed.

So maybe us playing those scrubs contributed to the wins.. who knows.

[eyriq]

That's Cole's role. I would prefer Keyonte but you know he wouldn't get the minutes to take Cole's role here in year 1.

It just shows how flawed our approach with rookies has been this season. "Rookies with tremendous upside wouldn't be playing" over our scrubs is just disgusting.

Maybe... but then again, bottom line is we cannot complain where we are at right now. As much as we like to see more mins for rookies, are we really gonna exchange that for allstar season Paolo? Resurgent JI? Moe " im not just Franz brother " Wagner?

Or the most important fact that we are 5th seed this late in the game?

A lot here predicted we wpuld be fighting for playin maybe 9th/10th seed.

So maybe us playing those scrubs contributed to the wins.. who knows.

Mosley is killing it and our core is set, so I agree the rest is just window dressing. It just annoys me sometimes. Feels like we are taking a pinch more competitiveness and paying for it with a ton of lost player development.

[SOUL]

I consider Fultz and Harris the scrubs. Harris mainly because he's low volume, low impact, and injury prone.

He started good, then got injured and sucked for a month and then right now is pretty damn solid again. I'm not rushing to keep him but he's also probably the best guard defender behind Suggs.

Ironically, if Jett became a younger Gary Harris sort of player (maybe with a bit more volume), that would be amazing.

[BadMofoPimp]

Yeah... well they threw him into the fire as a PG. I think if we let AB loose like that his TOs would be vraxy as well.

However, if he does play for us, itl be like an offgurad with the benchm he will have Ingles to throw for playmaking and Moe for inside points. We would probably just ask him to do what he does best, score.

That's Cole's role. I would prefer Keyonte but you know he wouldn't get the minutes to take Cole's role here in year 1.

It just shows how flawed our approach with rookies has been this season. "Rookies with tremendous upside wouldn't be playing" over our scrubs is just disgusting.

Cole played 27mpg as a rookie and Houstan played 24mpg 1st and 2nd seasons. Maybe Jett isn't good enough to crack the team at this juncture and Black is too much of a project. This coaching staff do play rookies. Obviously, the coaches haven't seen them prove themselves for more than the roles they currently have.

[SOUL]

Cole played 27mpg as a rookie and Houstan played 24mpg 1st and 2nd seasons. Maybe Jett isn't good enough to crack the team at this juncture and Black is too much of a project. This coaching staff do play rookies. Obviously, the coaches haven't seen them prove themselves for more than the roles they currently have.

Well, it was also a clear rebuild and we weren't really competing for wins. If we sucked again or had a huge injury, they probably would be playing. But even teams like the Jazz weren't playing three rookies until the last month.

[BadMofoPimp]

Cole played 27mpg as a rookie and Houstan played 24mpg 1st and 2nd seasons. Maybe Jett isn't good enough to crack the team at this juncture and Black is too much of a project. This coaching staff do play rookies. Obviously, the coaches haven't seen them prove themselves for more than the roles they currently have.

Well, it was also a clear rebuild and we weren't really competing for wins. If we sucked again or had a huge injury, they probably would be playing. But even teams like the Jazz weren't playing three rookies until the last month.

To me, this means neither player has proven themselves in practice to be better than those getting minutes. Trust me, if either player was a true talent that should be playing, they would. I think they are just projects similar to Bamba but I think Black can develop to be something more. Time will tell.