2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 5 - the calm before the storm

[Saberestar]

We should add Shake Milton

Gambo

Would not be surprised if the Suns have interest. Good point guard who could provide depth if Suns pursued.

[Fo-Real]

We should add Shake Milton

Gambo

Would not be surprised if the Suns have interest. Good point guard who could provide depth if Suns pursued.

I dont consider Milton as a real upgrade over Saban Lee but maybe I haven't payed attention.

[Saberestar]

We should add Shake Milton

Gambo

Would not be surprised if the Suns have interest. Good point guard who could provide depth if Suns pursued.

I dont consider Milton as a real upgrade over Saban Lee but maybe I haven't payed attention.

Different type of players.

Milton is an scorer, primary an ISO scorer . He is way bigger than Saben Lee, a pure SG with handles.

[Crives]

Sounds like Milton not eligible for playoffs…. Pretty harsh by pistons if true

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[Revived]

Gambo

I dont consider Milton as a real upgrade over Saban Lee but maybe I haven't payed attention.

Different type of players.

Milton is a scorer, primary an ISO scorer . He is way bigger than Saben Lee, a pure SG with handles.

A “pure SG” that can’t shoot…he’s shot 26% and 33% from 3 the last 2 seasons.

[Saberestar]

I dont consider Milton as a real upgrade over Saban Lee but maybe I haven't payed attention.

Different type of players.

Milton is a scorer, primary an ISO scorer . He is way bigger than Saben Lee, a pure SG with handles.

A “pure SG” that can’t shoot…he’s shot 26% and 33% from 3 the last 2 seasons.

Well, I am not a fan of his play and I would prefer Saben Lee over him but he is capable of creating his own shot and I think he is an OK 3p shooter.

Edit: New contract with the Knicks.

[Frank Lee]

Sounds like Milton not eligible for the playoff game…. Pretty harsh by pistons if true

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Fixed that for you. At least we will not be getting swept.

[sashaturiaf]

The toll from the this rockets debacle can't be underestimated and may well be the end of our season.

If Book, Royce and Nurk all have to miss some time I think it might be time to concede a playoff spot and load manage our way to a 9/10 seed. KD and Grayson look like they desperately needs rest, Beals on a minutes restriction so we might as well rest them for an all in push in April/May, since this crew of walking wounded won't be scaring too many teams come playoffs in their current form

[garrick]

Watch on YouTube

Time to fire Vogel?

[Stix]

Watch on YouTube

Time to fire Vogel?

I'm sorry but who are these guys?

Vogel is trash, but Green cooked us last night and locked up Beal. Brad couldn't take it and got himself ejected.

[Biff]

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Time to fire Vogel?

I'm sorry but who are these guys?

Vogel is trash, but Green cooked us last night and locked up Beal. Brad couldn't take it and got himself ejected.

Must be hard to swallow knowing you're by far the most overpaid player in the league.

[bwgood77]

That Book injury looked bad....just mainly the way he reacted. Figured he might be out for awhile. Nurk missing games really hurts. Did O'Neale get hurt too?

I wish OKC wasn't coming off that loss to the Spurs.

Thunder, Nuggets, Raptors, Celtics, Cavs, Celtics.

I didn't feel good about that stretch in the first place. It's never a good time to have injuries of course, but we may have gone 2-4 or 1-5 anyway.

If Book was out for awhile, I wouldn't feel too bad about a Beal/Allen/O'Neale/KD/Nurkic lineup with Gordon as 6th man. Beal has had to take a bit of a back seat to the other stars, but he certainly has the ability to step up and take on a load of the scoring duties if need be, and has been a better defender than expected.

Hopefully if Book is out for a while, Nurk and O'Neale are back.

[bullsaficianado]

That video made no sense if you fire Vogel this late into the season who you gonna get that would be any better? the Bucks obviously got Rivers. Book has an ankle sprain likely will be out for a week or two. Suns just have to play better and step up till Booker gets healthy. I liked Rivers over Vogel to start with but some of you guys wanted nothing to do with him lol.

[garrick]

That video made no sense if you fire Vogel this late into the season who you gonna get that would be any better? the Bucks obviously got Rivers. Book has an ankle sprain likely will be out for a week or two. Suns just have to play better and step up till Booker gets healthy. I liked Rivers over Vogel to start with but some of you guys wanted nothing to do with him lol.

Yeah if we were going to fire Vogel it should have been much earlier in the season but yeah not impressed by him at all so far.

We should have gotten someone like Nurse or even Doc because the coaching has been subpar and obviously not working this season.

[lilfishi22]

That video made no sense if you fire Vogel this late into the season who you gonna get that would be any better? the Bucks obviously got Rivers. Book has an ankle sprain likely will be out for a week or two. Suns just have to play better and step up till Booker gets healthy. I liked Rivers over Vogel to start with but some of you guys wanted nothing to do with him lol.

Yeah if we were going to fire Vogel it should have been much earlier in the season but yeah not impressed by him at all so far.

We should have gotten someone like Nurse or even Doc because the coaching has been subpar and obviously not working this season.

This tells me we're not having a rational or reasonable discussion. If I recall, you were one of a pretty large group of Suns fans who wasn't a fan of Rivers, and for good reason

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/5/16/23725366/doc-rivers-nba-playoffs-history-blown-leads-game-7-record

Arguably the craziest of all those blown leads is the fact that he’s conceded three 3-1 leads. In the history of the NBA Playoffs, a team has come back from a 3-1 series deficit only 13 times. That means that about 23.1% of all 3-1 collapses in NBA history have happened under Rivers’ watch.

As for Nurse, he was seen as having very similar issues to Monty with regards to being slow to make adjustments, playing his favourites and not developing younger dudes

[bwgood77]

OKC youngest team in the NBA...scary...and they lose their last game to SA, and it wasn't really close. The Thunder, Spurs and Rockets are going to be tough for a long time...Nuggets still young too...and Memphis...they have been injured all year but will have a top pick, and still have Ja, Bane and JJJ all young...and Brandon Clarke. Kings young....Sabonis only 27. Then there is Luka.

We really need to take care of business the next couple of years because these young teams are already good....SA is starting to pick it up. Forgot about the Jazz too, who are fairly tough and have a load of picks from the Wolves.

[garrick]

Watch on YouTube

Anyone watching the postgame video?

[garrick]

Watch on YouTube

Watch any of the Phoenix Suns shows and they all pretty much say the same thing.

We've run out of time to get it together due to all the injuries and this seems like a repeat of last season. More importantly we're going through a brutal stretch of games facing the toughest teams without Book and it remains to be seen how we fare when we don't have the big 3 together on the floor.

The scary part is KD and Beal aren't getting any younger & you can visibly see that KD is not the OKC or GSW version KD, this is a 35 year old KD and at some point the decline is going to be a lot more noticeable.

There are glaring holes in our roster and even if we managed to resign Grayson and Royce that's still not enough but how are we going to attract good talent when all we can pay is the minimum?

[Frank Lee]

OKC youngest team in the NBA...scary...and they lose their last game to SA, and it wasn't really close. The Thunder, Spurs and Rockets are going to be tough for a long time...Nuggets still young too...and Memphis...they have been injured all year but will have a top pick, and still have Ja, Bane and JJJ all young...and Brandon Clarke. Kings young....Sabonis only 27. Then there is Luka.

We really need to take care of business the next couple of years because these young teams are already good....SA is starting to pick it up. Forgot about the Jazz too, who are fairly tough and have a load of picks from the Wolves.

Too late Bwg… these teams are already good. And a couple are better. With little ways to improve this roster next yr, the gap will be more noticeable. We are genuinely foooked unless TheMadMatter decides to ****can this experiment. I don’t expect that unless there are internal requests for change. He tied his own hands.

We all knew the risk. Most tried to whitewash it, look the other way and disguise it with pseudo optimism based on the lack of ‘Big three’ playing time. I’ll admit, I held out as long as I could. Now, The ‘you just wait and see’ crowd are desperately clinging on till the playoffs….or rather, the play in game. I’ve seen enough. Too many flaws, no cohesion, questionable sporadic intensity, and a weak coaching staff. And sadly, much like with CP, a declining superstar who is loosing effectiveness. Sure, KD is throwing up an impressive pts per line… good stats, but he has looked gawd awful at times, and often at the times when needed most. Really, how many games has he just taken over? 2-3. In the last 40 games he’s had over 30 pts just a handful of times.

If anything, a quick post season exit will give this team time to regroup and the the Front Office time to reflect… but, in the meantime, KD takes his ego driven entitled arse to Paris for the Olympics, truly flaunting the durability odds. Doesn’t matter though, as he is being asked to do too much here. He’s no longer a top ten player, and soon to slide out of the top 20. Old man **** happens.

Oh well, I’m not surprised at all. Just sad that Wishbea’s get rich quick scheme didn’t work… and has set us back 3-4 years. Heck, we can’t even look forward to the off season as the minor Tinkering won’t help anyways. And that’s about all they can do….unless…….

[Calvin Klein]

The quicker we move on from KD, the better. But Book will most probably be gone as well. And I guess we're stuck with Beal. They really did **** everything up.