Zach Edey, 7-4

[OriAr]

I kinda like him as a backup to Jokic in Denver. Doesn't preclude them from going small when Jokic sits in the playoffs but would allow them to run the same type of stuff in the RS. Even if Edey is unplayable in the postseason if he can just help their bench in the RS when Jokic sits on a cost controlled contract for 4 years that's worth a late first

He'll be probably gone by the time Denver is on the clock.
Hot take: If Purdue do well in the tournament a team will talk itself into taking Edey top 10, and maybe even top 5.

[ConSarnit]

Damn, MVP Edey in Atlanta. What could have been, Atlanta was also the only team that was gonna make Cam Reddish the best player in the league. We’re gonna miss out on a dynasty now.

Absolute insanity. I can’t believe he’s making these types of proclamations again, even after being proven dead wrong the first time.

I've posted for many years, made many claims but it's funny, the haters just focus on what they want. At the end of the day, if you want to hang your hat on my miss you are free to do so. That said, you are clown for doing so especially when for years, I've been doing exceptionally well on my tiers. Do i have misses, sure but few and few by each year and my hits like Jalen Williams have been major coups but of course, when you hit, no one cares. Just the misses. Even when you own the misses, that's what the haters value.

Do better. I expect the hater to hate, he's been a hoe for years and will die a hoe but you should do better. I don't even know who you are. I don't recall interacting with you in the past unless you are an older poster with a different name. Do better

I literally said in the Jarrett Culver thread, why spend a top 10 pick drafting an obvious bust. Did anyone quote me and say, damn, you were spot on. How? No but let me speak positively of Cam as a prospect based on God given talent, Bol Bol without knowing the healthy details or R.J. and of course this is what the haters remember.

The haters gotta do better. They gotta grow. Get smarter. Watch film. Pray to God to do more with their lives than becoming a PAB.

I take risk. I believe in what I watch and what I review. I track movements, pace, everything. Am I perfect, hell no but I do enough work to be confident in what I say. It takes work to do that. You have to be able to watch a single possession for 10 minutes to explain why this possession was perfect while having the skill to pick it up while watching it in real time the first time. That's not easy to do. Also you gotta be willing to learn from your mistakes. We all make them. We can't always trust our instincts so we have to do the homework to make sure the person is the worker and mentally ready to take that leap.

You were wrong about Reddish. What have you changed in your evaluation to believe you are right about Edey?

Why are you doubling down by claiming Edey could be an MVP on (somehow) only Atlanta. What has Atlanta shown that they are capable of turning projected backups into MVP’s? Show me the evidence that Atlanta is so far ahead of the curve in player development that they have these capabilities?

Answer this: If Atlanta couldn’t turn Reddish into the best wing in the league why should we believe they can turn Edey into an MVP? And why does ATL have this capability to unlock players (something they have never done before) but no one else in the league does, even teams like MIA and OKC who have far better player development and drafting records than ATL?

Why is ATL not the best team in the league if they have the ability to scout and develop MVP’s at an unprecedented level (according to you).

And if ATL does not draft Edey do you consider that a massive failure from the entire organization considering they (and only them) can make him an MVP candidate? Shouldn’t they be willing to trade multiple future assets for a chance to draft Edey?

[King Ken]

Absolute insanity. I can’t believe he’s making these types of proclamations again, even after being proven dead wrong the first time.

I've posted for many years, made many claims but it's funny, the haters just focus on what they want. At the end of the day, if you want to hang your hat on my miss you are free to do so. That said, you are clown for doing so especially when for years, I've been doing exceptionally well on my tiers. Do i have misses, sure but few and few by each year and my hits like Jalen Williams have been major coups but of course, when you hit, no one cares. Just the misses. Even when you own the misses, that's what the haters value.

Do better. I expect the hater to hate, he's been a hoe for years and will die a hoe but you should do better. I don't even know who you are. I don't recall interacting with you in the past unless you are an older poster with a different name. Do better

I literally said in the Jarrett Culver thread, why spend a top 10 pick drafting an obvious bust. Did anyone quote me and say, damn, you were spot on. How? No but let me speak positively of Cam as a prospect based on God given talent, Bol Bol without knowing the healthy details or R.J. and of course this is what the haters remember.

The haters gotta do better. They gotta grow. Get smarter. Watch film. Pray to God to do more with their lives than becoming a PAB.

I take risk. I believe in what I watch and what I review. I track movements, pace, everything. Am I perfect, hell no but I do enough work to be confident in what I say. It takes work to do that. You have to be able to watch a single possession for 10 minutes to explain why this possession was perfect while having the skill to pick it up while watching it in real time the first time. That's not easy to do. Also you gotta be willing to learn from your mistakes. We all make them. We can't always trust our instincts so we have to do the homework to make sure the person is the worker and mentally ready to take that leap.

You were wrong about Reddish. What have you changed in your evaluation to believe you are right about Edey?

Why are you doubling down by claiming Edey could be an MVP on (somehow) only Atlanta. What has Atlanta shown that they are capable of turning projected backups into MVP’s? Show me the evidence that Atlanta is so far ahead of the curve in player development that they have these capabilities?

Answer this: If Atlanta couldn’t turn Reddish into the best wing in the league why should we believe they can turn Edey into an MVP? And why does ATL have this capability to unlock players (something they have never done before) but no one else in the league does, even teams like MIA and OKC who have far better player development and drafting records than ATL?

Why is ATL not the best team in the league if they have the ability to scout and develop MVP’s at an unprecedented level (according to you).

And if ATL does not draft Edey do you consider that a massive failure from the entire organization considering they (and only them) can make him an MVP candidate? Shouldn’t they be willing to trade multiple future assets for a chance to draft Edey?

First off, that the most idiotic first sentence I've ever read on this site. I have literally years and years of draft content on this site, hell a big board that is easily accessible to anyone on this site. If you want to hold on to Cam Reddish then do so. You aren't the target of my content. I don't need people like you period.

I don't want you around me, I don't value your time, and I frankly don't understand your purpose here.

This might be the worst post I've ever read on this site. This has the be the worst quote of all time.

You were wrong about Reddish. What have you changed in your evaluation to believe you are right about Edey?

It screams ignorance to an extreme degree.

I can't even take the rest of the post serious.

I am just going to block you. I can't deal with extreme ignorance.

[ConSarnit]

I've posted for many years, made many claims but it's funny, the haters just focus on what they want. At the end of the day, if you want to hang your hat on my miss you are free to do so. That said, you are clown for doing so especially when for years, I've been doing exceptionally well on my tiers. Do i have misses, sure but few and few by each year and my hits like Jalen Williams have been major coups but of course, when you hit, no one cares. Just the misses. Even when you own the misses, that's what the haters value.

Do better. I expect the hater to hate, he's been a hoe for years and will die a hoe but you should do better. I don't even know who you are. I don't recall interacting with you in the past unless you are an older poster with a different name. Do better

I literally said in the Jarrett Culver thread, why spend a top 10 pick drafting an obvious bust. Did anyone quote me and say, damn, you were spot on. How? No but let me speak positively of Cam as a prospect based on God given talent, Bol Bol without knowing the healthy details or R.J. and of course this is what the haters remember.

The haters gotta do better. They gotta grow. Get smarter. Watch film. Pray to God to do more with their lives than becoming a PAB.

I take risk. I believe in what I watch and what I review. I track movements, pace, everything. Am I perfect, hell no but I do enough work to be confident in what I say. It takes work to do that. You have to be able to watch a single possession for 10 minutes to explain why this possession was perfect while having the skill to pick it up while watching it in real time the first time. That's not easy to do. Also you gotta be willing to learn from your mistakes. We all make them. We can't always trust our instincts so we have to do the homework to make sure the person is the worker and mentally ready to take that leap.

You were wrong about Reddish. What have you changed in your evaluation to believe you are right about Edey?

Why are you doubling down by claiming Edey could be an MVP on (somehow) only Atlanta. What has Atlanta shown that they are capable of turning projected backups into MVP’s? Show me the evidence that Atlanta is so far ahead of the curve in player development that they have these capabilities?

Answer this: If Atlanta couldn’t turn Reddish into the best wing in the league why should we believe they can turn Edey into an MVP? And why does ATL have this capability to unlock players (something they have never done before) but no one else in the league does, even teams like MIA and OKC who have far better player development and drafting records than ATL?

Why is ATL not the best team in the league if they have the ability to scout and develop MVP’s at an unprecedented level (according to you).

And if ATL does not draft Edey do you consider that a massive failure from the entire organization considering they (and only them) can make him an MVP candidate? Shouldn’t they be willing to trade multiple future assets for a chance to draft Edey?

First off, that the most idiotic first sentence I've ever read on this site. I have literally years and years of draft content on this site, hell a big board that is easily accessible to anyone on this site. If you want to hold on to Cam Reddish then do so. You aren't the target of my content. I don't need people like you period.

I don't want you around me, I don't value your time, and I frankly don't understand your purpose here.

This might be the worst post I've ever read on this site. This has the be the worst quote of all time.

You were wrong about Reddish. What have you changed in your evaluation to believe you are right about Edey?

It screams ignorance to an extreme degree.

I can't even take the rest of the post serious.

I am just going to block you. I can't deal with extreme ignorance.

Ad hominem. You can’t defend your position in the slightest. Keep burying your head in the sand.

[BigGargamel]

I kinda like him as a backup to Jokic in Denver. Doesn't preclude them from going small when Jokic sits in the playoffs but would allow them to run the same type of stuff in the RS. Even if Edey is unplayable in the postseason if he can just help their bench in the RS when Jokic sits on a cost controlled contract for 4 years that's worth a late first

He'll be probably gone by the time Denver is on the clock.
Hot take: If Purdue do well in the tournament a team will talk itself into taking Edey top 10, and maybe even top 5.

I mean Rafael Araujo was once a top ten pick, so anything is possible, but absolutely no chance. Bad teams are going to draft potential. A playoff team could use Edey as a backup.

[OriAr]

I kinda like him as a backup to Jokic in Denver. Doesn't preclude them from going small when Jokic sits in the playoffs but would allow them to run the same type of stuff in the RS. Even if Edey is unplayable in the postseason if he can just help their bench in the RS when Jokic sits on a cost controlled contract for 4 years that's worth a late first

He'll be probably gone by the time Denver is on the clock.
Hot take: If Purdue do well in the tournament a team will talk itself into taking Edey top 10, and maybe even top 5.

I mean Rafael Araujo was once a top ten pick, so anything is possible, but absolutely no chance. Bad teams are going to draft potential. A playoff team could use Edey as a backup.

Usually I'd agree but in a draft full of question marks a team will decide they one someone with a record of actual production even if he brings his own question marks about fit.
This is not a good draft as far as high celling players are concerned.

[TheSuzerain]

I kinda like him as a backup to Jokic in Denver. Doesn't preclude them from going small when Jokic sits in the playoffs but would allow them to run the same type of stuff in the RS. Even if Edey is unplayable in the postseason if he can just help their bench in the RS when Jokic sits on a cost controlled contract for 4 years that's worth a late first

He'll be probably gone by the time Denver is on the clock.
Hot take: If Purdue do well in the tournament a team will talk itself into taking Edey top 10, and maybe even top 5.

I mean Rafael Araujo was once a top ten pick, so anything is possible, but absolutely no chance. Bad teams are going to draft potential. A playoff team could use Edey as a backup.

They draft high ceiling. And you can talk yourself into him as high ceiling.

[OriAr]

He'll be probably gone by the time Denver is on the clock.
Hot take: If Purdue do well in the tournament a team will talk itself into taking Edey top 10, and maybe even top 5.

I mean Rafael Araujo was once a top ten pick, so anything is possible, but absolutely no chance. Bad teams are going to draft potential. A playoff team could use Edey as a backup.

They draft high ceiling. And you can talk yourself into him as high ceiling.

Especially in a draft class that's notorious for a lack of players with a truly high celling.
If he can end up being a decent starting center that puts 15/10/2 per game that's probably worth a top 10 pick in this draft, and likely even a top 5 one.
This is a notoriously bad draft class, Edey stayed one more year for a good reason (And of course the $$$$$)

[NO-KG-AI]

I also want to know what Atlanta does that could propel Reddish and Edey to MVPs that no other team could replicate.

[JustBuzzin]

Who's his pro comp? Eddy Curry...

[pad300]

Who's his pro comp? Eddy Curry...

Nah, Eddy Curry failed because he was an immature **** without the work ethic to improve... That just ain't Edey.

[King Ken]

I also want to know what Atlanta does that could propel Reddish and Edey to MVPs that no other team could replicate.

I got to ask you a question.

I responded to your questions in the last page in detail. Addressed everything. Now you seem to take a shot at me for no reason after I addressed everything for you respectfully.

So where do we do this disrespect thing on here?

First it was that kid I had to block and now you who are throughly addressed and I provided details, did I not?

I still never said what you are accusing me of with Reddish which I literally addressed in the last page. And how many times I got to say that,

At this point, you just being a troll. Because I literally went into details for just you on the last page which you didn't respond to. Either you didn't read it or you did and didn't care.

If I addressed everything you said in the last page and you continue to push false narratives I've never said, then you just trolling.

Where do you get this narrative on Reddish? I've never said that with him ever. Ever! And yes I missed on him, explained in detail on the last page and was high on him in general as a prospect for his upside which everyone with eyesight could see. But okay, continue to push this false narrative. You're block anyway.

I've never seen posters on any site continue to push false narratives like some on here do. It's insanity if you ask me.

[NO-KG-AI]

I also want to know what Atlanta does that could propel Reddish and Edey to MVPs that no other team could replicate.

I got to ask you a question.

I responded to your questions in the last page in detail. Addressed everything. Now you seem to take a shot at me for no reason after I addressed everything for you respectfully.

So where do we do this disrespect thing on here?

First it was that kid I had to block and now you who are throughly addressed and I provided details, did I not?

I still never said what you are accusing me of with Reddish which I literally addressed in the last page. And how many times I got to say that,

At this point, you just being a troll. Because I literally went into details for just you on the last page which you didn't respond to. Either you didn't read it or you did and didn't care.

If I addressed everything you said in the last page and you continue to push false narratives I've never said, then you just trolling.

Where do you get this narrative on Reddish? I've never said that with him ever. Ever! And yes I missed on him, explained in detail on the last page and was high on him in general as a prospect for his upside which everyone with eyesight could see. But okay, continue to push this false narrative. You're block anyway.

I've never seen posters on any site continue to push false narratives like some on here do. It's insanity if you ask me.

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This you? On page 23 you said:

He isn't your typical 3/D and I don't think he will ever be but he is a rare prospect if used correctly could be the best player in the NBA and if used incorrectly can be a tough piece to add to most puzzles

And more importantly on page 22:

I think he is generational in the right system and probably average in the average or above average system. Luckily for him, he went to the Hawks. I remember 15 years ago when that was a bad thing. Anyway, his weaknesses will be extremely difficult to expose and Atlanta can and should play to his strengths. This is as rare a prospect there is if used right.

I think Cam Reddish can break the NBA.

You gonna go edit those posts now, or are you gonna apologize for saying I made up the narrative that you have repeatedly said the Hawks system would turn specific players into generational talent? Cam went to the Hawks like you wished for, and we haven’t seen any proof that the Hawks system is an MVP maker of anyone, much less a scrub like Cam. We clearly questioned you on it at the time, you can re-read the entire page where Clyde is asking why the Hawks system specifically makws him generational.

Ps, no one is clowning you for missing on prospects. We all do, plenty of people liked Cam.

Double PS: don’t call someone a liar when they are petty and will read through 35 pages from 2020 to find receipts.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Who's his pro comp? Eddy Curry...

He's Yao Ming if Yao Ming was teleported 22 years into the future right before the 2002 draft.

... It's not clear how good Yao Ming would be in this era.

Edey could really benefit if they remove defensive three seconds in the next few years though... He's the best college basketball player since Tim Duncan so it's worth gambling on defensive three second rule changes.

[Hal14]

Who's his pro comp? ..

Edy Tavares

[HadAnEffectHere]

Have to say a ton of these comps are kind of overlooking that Edey is the most dominant player in the last 25 years of college basketball.

He's definitely the best low post prospect since at least Yao Ming. The issue is just that this doesn't matter very much anymore for almost all teams.

[JMAC3]

Zach Edey is a college weapon, why?

1. Fouls are such an important part of college basketball. If you pick up 2 fouls on most opposing big men they have to go to the bench for majority of 1st half. NCAA gives Edey a ton of leeway to be physical as he is a star player in their league. He plays a ton of mins vs backup bigs because the other team is in foul trouble all game.

2. His size is a larger adv in college. Most starting centers in NCAA average like 6-10 at the most, the backup center is usually even smaller. Along with teams PF. For example, Michigan who they just played had 1 guy 6-10 or bigger. He fouled out in 19 mins, they had 6-8 Will Tschetter guard him most the game. That is a top 50 program, they play a ton of teams that are even smaller throughout the year.

3. How does he score? Mainly off deep catches in the paint and jump hooks over smaller guys, putbacks... He doesn't spend a lot of time setting hard screens and rolling aggressively to the basket which would be the ideal way to use him in the NBA. No team is drafting him and then posting him 20+ possessions like Purdue does.

4. He is averaging 11 FTA per game this year. Jokic averages half of that in the NBA, clearly that is not going to be the case for him at the next level.

It feels like 20% of his offense is translatable. That is before you even consider he is likely a huge liability on the defensive end when teams run 5 out or just constantly put him in pnr all game vs NBA athletes instead of 5-11 4 year college pgs he plays in Big 10.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jokic draws so few fouls because he shies away from contact to get off short midrange jumpers that always go in. Edey plays like Shaq did.

He will also be constantly matched up against small players due to the heavy switching in the NBA.

Will a team be willing to give him a bunch of low post touches? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[OriAr]

Jokic draws so few fouls because he shies away from contact to get off short midrange jumpers that always go in. Edey plays like Shaq did.

He will also be constantly matched up against small players due to the heavy switching in the NBA.

Will a team be willing to give him a bunch of low post touches? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

If he can hold his own defending space I can see teams deploying him as a small ball killer.
Is it situational? Quite a bit, but if the mismatch is there teams would be stupid to not take advantage of it.

[GoBobs]

Who's his pro comp? Eddy Curry...

Boban is probably a reasonable comparison at least on the low end of what Edey might become. Boban never played many minutes in the league, but if you start looking at his stats per 36 they start looking more like Edey's college stats.

Boban has been successful in some ways even though he never played major minutes. He has like a 25 career PER and has had a 9 year career despite only coming to the league at age 27. There are a lot of reasons to think Edey will be able to play more minutes than Bobon and have a longer career, although I won't get into them.

Another reasonable comparison is Brook Lopez. Of course later in his career Lopez developed the 3pt shot which fits well with the modern game.

The fact is though, there are very few guys that have ever been 7'4'' and proven they can play at a high level that have come out as prospects. That alone gives him a ultra high ceiling.

Usually when you have a 7'4'' guy he isn't skilled and you are maybe hoping to teach him a little bit. Edey has a 38.9 PER and a career 65% true shooting percentage on a huge volume of shots. This is a big man that is very skilled at the things that are relevant skills for a big man. He is going to succeed.