Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

[jezzerinho]

The improvement from one of the worst rookie shooting seasons of all time to this is really impressive. Giannis is a cheatcode

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Mo Wagner is shooting 71% at the rim, so he has GA beat!

[GelbeWand09]

The improvement from one of the worst rookie shooting seasons of all time to this is really impressive. Giannis is a cheatcode

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Mo Wagner is shooting 71% at the rim, so he has GA beat!

Mo Swagner is in his own category. He isnt a cheat code, he controls the whole matrix.

[zaymon]

The improvement from one of the worst rookie shooting seasons of all time to this is really impressive. Giannis is a cheatcode

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When he came to the league he was only freak athlete with great work ethic. He made improvements every year, to the point he would start on most teams and thats without real point guard next to him who would unlock his athletecism on offense even more. I would not mind Jones/Suggs backcourt next season if we cant trade for someone better.

[AdamTheGreek]

Started a petition for the team to change Shaq’s retired jersey banner:
https://www.change.org/p/change-shaq-s-orlando-magic-32-retired-jersey-inside-kia-center

Had some friends and fans ask me, so I did it. If we make our voices heard, then the franchise can’t ignore them.

Just signed. Glad this is being done.

Thanks!

[Knightro]

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"I want Klay Thompson!"

"We've got Klay Thompson at home!" vibes

You mean Caleb never dribbled the ball in the game?

That's what he's saying.

Over the last two games Caleb hasn't dribbled once. But he has hit 7 three pointers.

Just to clarify here.

In the two games Paolo missed, Caleb Houstan took a total of 14 dribbles. 0 dribbles came before a shot attempt.

[JoshuaPotter]

Some thoughts....

AB has gone back to human victory flag status. Of which I do not see a pathway to him recovering if Fultz does as good as he does last night as the norm. Which is possible.

Amen Thompson looks bad. Both watching him and his brother are yikes.

Outside looking in, if you were Utah and you drafted Hendricks, do you now wish that Amen / Black / Assaur were available instead? Just a food for thought moment.

[Magicman125]

Some thoughts....

AB has gone back to human victory flag status. Of which I do not see a pathway to him recovering if Fultz does as good as he does last night as the norm. Which is possible.

Amen Thompson looks bad. Both watching him and his brother are yikes.

Outside looking in, if you were Utah and you drafted Hendricks, do you now wish that Amen / Black / Assaur were available instead? Just a food for thought moment.

Nah, I'd be content with what I've seen from Hendricks if I'm Utah. He's gonna take time, but he's showing flashes of real potential imo.

[JoshuaPotter]

Some thoughts....

AB has gone back to human victory flag status. Of which I do not see a pathway to him recovering if Fultz does as good as he does last night as the norm. Which is possible.

Amen Thompson looks bad. Both watching him and his brother are yikes.

Outside looking in, if you were Utah and you drafted Hendricks, do you now wish that Amen / Black / Assaur were available instead? Just a food for thought moment.

Nah, I'd be content with what I've seen from Hendricks if I'm Utah. He's gonna take time, but he's showing flashes of real potential imo.

Hendricks and Keyonte look very good. If that had been our draft that would not have been my first choice but it would be as one says "interesting".

The other challenge here being the elephant in the room. I am not sure either player cracks are lineup due to how far down "win now" mode we are in. It would just be interesting as in one hand I don't want Fultz to do bad, yet in the other I want to see our invested picks play and I do not see a reason to do that.

I am making a mountain out of a 1 good game molehill in Fultz.

[Magicman125]

Some thoughts....

AB has gone back to human victory flag status. Of which I do not see a pathway to him recovering if Fultz does as good as he does last night as the norm. Which is possible.

Amen Thompson looks bad. Both watching him and his brother are yikes.

Outside looking in, if you were Utah and you drafted Hendricks, do you now wish that Amen / Black / Assaur were available instead? Just a food for thought moment.

Nah, I'd be content with what I've seen from Hendricks if I'm Utah. He's gonna take time, but he's showing flashes of real potential imo.

Hendricks and Keyonte look very good. If that had been our draft that would not have been my first choice but it would be as one says "interesting".

The other challenge here being the elephant in the room. I am not sure either player cracks are lineup due to how far down "win now" mode we are in. It would just be interesting as in one hand I don't want Fultz to do bad, yet in the other I want to see our invested picks play and I do not see a reason to do that.

I am making a mountain out of a 1 good game molehill in Fultz.

Any game Isaac rested or Ingles is banged up I think Hendricks would've gotten some burn at the backup forward spot. Same with games Fultz, Harris, and Suggs miss for Keyonte (any time AB or Houstan play would've been Keyonte's minutes, maybe more).

[eyriq]

I haven't even considered this. Are we already there?

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[Residual-Heat]

it'll be interesting to see how WCJ's defense and rebounding looks like in the play offs. I feel like the effort is not always there for him, and i wonder if locks in on that end and gives us better rim protection and rebounding.

[Residual-Heat]

https://www.nba.com/magic/news/orlando-magic-prioritizing-quality-over-quantity-when-it-comes-to-3-point-shooting-20240304

[Skybox]

it'll be interesting to see how WCJ's defense and rebounding looks like in the play offs. I feel like the effort is not always there for him, and i wonder if locks in on that end and gives us better rim protection and rebounding.

He's not my ideal prototype, but he's already here and he IS a very good player. I'd love to see him focus on those things. He has averaged over 10 rebs a game. ORL is already a very good defensive rebounding team, but I'd really like to see that dominant brute that can get a big one in traffic when it's really needed. Right now, Isaac seems to be that guy for us (or closest thing). Remember Dwight's rebounding...he didn't get EVERY one, but, if he wanted it - he got it.

More offensive rebounds would be really a big advantage in the playoffs and tight games too...I agree with you that I think the playoffs are a different level and Cole and Suggs aren't necessarily going to collect the easy rebounds they get now. It would make our offseason a lot easier if we really knew that WCJ is the right guy going forward and can complement Paolo & Franz for years. Before you defend him, we need some rim defense and all-around defensive QB in the paint. WE just don't have that on a regular basis and it's going to show up against better teams with more preparation

...I'd also like to see more "sticky" picks - I'm certainly no NBA coach, but I know a little basics and it seems like our guys routinely roll away before the pick even has an effect on the ball handler's defender. Kind of like when a football receiver turns upfield before really making the catch (often flubbing the reception because his focus was on the next step). There's something really fundamental about a 250+ lb guy really getting in the way of a perimeter defender. When Steven Adams sets a pick - you notice and maybe even adapt for the rest of the game.

[pepe1991]

I haven't even considered this. Are we already there?

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I don't see it

all nba first team is alredy set, it's MVP race: Giannis, Jokic, Luka, Tatum ,SGA

second team is probably some of : Curry, Haliburton, Durant, Kawhi , Edwards

putting third team is nasty challenge. Brown due record is instant lock. Lebron due history is instant lock. Mitchell should probably be in 2# team so that's third lock. Devin Booker is 6th in scoring 11th in assists, so that's probably lock as well.

Competition for 5th spot : DPOY race members ( Gobert, Chet, Victor, Adebayo) ; Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler , Fox & Sabonis (already allstar snubs), Maxey , Brunson ( my pick ) , Paul George , Lillard , Banchero etc.

Donovan can slip out if he does not play enough games. He needs to play 18 of remaining 22 games.

[byeganyo]

I haven't even considered this. Are we already there?

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I don't see it

all nba first team is alredy set, it's MVP race: Giannis, Jokic, Luka, Tatum ,SGA

second team is probably some of : Curry, Haliburton, Durant, Kawhi , Edwards

putting third team is nasty challenge. Brown due record is instant lock. Lebron due history is instant lock. Mitchell should probably be in 2# team so that's third lock. Devin Booker is 6th in scoring 11th in assists, so that's probably lock as well.

Competition for 5th spot : DPOY race members ( Gobert, Chet, Victor, Adebayo) ; Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler , Fox & Sabonis (already allstar snubs), Maxey , Brunson ( my pick ) , Paul George , Lillard , Banchero etc.

Donovan can slip out if he does not play enough games. He needs to play 18 of remaining 22 games.

I dunno about Haliburton, he has been poor lately (14 pts on 38/31/81 last 10 games), maybe he is playing injured. The hype from the start of the season is still there, but if pacers miss the playoffs some how he may not make it.
If they havent switched the teams to just the 15 best players, banchero probably would have a better chance to get there, there are too many good guards...

[Skybox]

https://www.nba.com/magic/news/orlando-magic-prioritizing-quality-over-quantity-when-it-comes-to-3-point-shooting-20240304

that's really interesting and positive development, but...

-what if we had one or two guys hitting over 40%?
-what if we had guys that could make them at our new average 3pt% without having to be >7' away from a defender?

This is really good news, but kind of supports my theory that our shooters are really not as good as they look because they only take wide-open shots. There's really nobody that hunts shots and curls off of picks and pulls up like a JJ-type. Hawkins looked like that kind of shooter...maybe Jett is too. Houstan and Suggs are getting nicely aggressive with their shooting (and still converting at a nice %) but mostly, we're still looking at a ton of open shots and now we're making some.

THIS IS VERY GOOD...but could be better. Not a negative - but also a sign of what's possible, given our recognition of Paolo & Franz' gravity. Take the next step FO - you are seeing the data. Imagine how well a guy like Simons (for example), who already hits a high pct on high volume on a team where HE is the primary defensive priority, could do in this situation. He'd go for 50%.

I think Grayson Allen is an example of this, he's always been a good shooter, but put him on the floor with HOFers and he's feasting.

[pepe1991]

I haven't even considered this. Are we already there?

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I don't see it

all nba first team is alredy set, it's MVP race: Giannis, Jokic, Luka, Tatum ,SGA

second team is probably some of : Curry, Haliburton, Durant, Kawhi , Edwards

putting third team is nasty challenge. Brown due record is instant lock. Lebron due history is instant lock. Mitchell should probably be in 2# team so that's third lock. Devin Booker is 6th in scoring 11th in assists, so that's probably lock as well.

Competition for 5th spot : DPOY race members ( Gobert, Chet, Victor, Adebayo) ; Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler , Fox & Sabonis (already allstar snubs), Maxey , Brunson ( my pick ) , Paul George , Lillard , Banchero etc.

Donovan can slip out if he does not play enough games. He needs to play 18 of remaining 22 games.

I dunno about Haliburton, he has been poor lately (14 pts on 38/31/81 last 10 games), maybe he is playing injured. The hype from the start of the season is still there, but if pacers miss the playoffs some how he may not make it.
If they havent switched the teams to just the 15 best players, banchero probably would have a better chance to get there, there are too many good guards...

He is one of 6 players in entire nba history to average +20 ppg and +11 apgs .

I'm also interested to know would Victor get some votes for all nba 3rd team .
Will NBA's PR team figure they have guy who can literally be future GOAT type player and throw him into a fire from day one?

He would be first rookie since Duncan to achive it. Before him Hakeem. Before him Jordan. Even Lebron didn't get that. ( 99% Victor also won't due team's record tho)

[AaronB]

I don't see it

all nba first team is alredy set, it's MVP race: Giannis, Jokic, Luka, Tatum ,SGA

second team is probably some of : Curry, Haliburton, Durant, Kawhi , Edwards

putting third team is nasty challenge. Brown due record is instant lock. Lebron due history is instant lock. Mitchell should probably be in 2# team so that's third lock. Devin Booker is 6th in scoring 11th in assists, so that's probably lock as well.

Competition for 5th spot : DPOY race members ( Gobert, Chet, Victor, Adebayo) ; Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler , Fox & Sabonis (already allstar snubs), Maxey , Brunson ( my pick ) , Paul George , Lillard , Banchero etc.

Donovan can slip out if he does not play enough games. He needs to play 18 of remaining 22 games.

I dunno about Haliburton, he has been poor lately (14 pts on 38/31/81 last 10 games), maybe he is playing injured. The hype from the start of the season is still there, but if pacers miss the playoffs some how he may not make it.
If they havent switched the teams to just the 15 best players, banchero probably would have a better chance to get there, there are too many good guards...

He is one of 6 players in entire nba history to average +20 ppg and +11 apgs .

I'm also interested to know would Victor get some votes for all nba 3rd team .
Will NBA's PR team figure they have guy who can literally be future GOAT type player and throw him into a fire from day one?

He would be first rookie since Duncan to achive it. Before him Hakeem. Before him Jordan. Even Lebron didn't get that. ( 99% Victor also won't due team's record tho)

Pretty sure Hakeem and Jordan were drafted the same year.

[AaronB]

I dunno about Haliburton, he has been poor lately (14 pts on 38/31/81 last 10 games), maybe he is playing injured. The hype from the start of the season is still there, but if pacers miss the playoffs some how he may not make it.
If they havent switched the teams to just the 15 best players, banchero probably would have a better chance to get there, there are too many good guards...

He is one of 6 players in entire nba history to average +20 ppg and +11 apgs .

I'm also interested to know would Victor get some votes for all nba 3rd team .
Will NBA's PR team figure they have guy who can literally be future GOAT type player and throw him into a fire from day one?

He would be first rookie since Duncan to achive it. Before him Hakeem. Before him Jordan. Even Lebron didn't get that. ( 99% Victor also won't due team's record tho)

Pretty sure Hakeem and Jordan were drafted the same year.

That was the famous Sam Bowie draft.

My favorite story from that draft is that when Blazer management was asking outside experts who to draft the consensus was Jordan.

Blazer management then said: but we need a center.

The response was "then draft Jordan and play him at center"

[JoshuaPotter]

I haven't even considered this. Are we already there?

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We are six wins away from 41....

We are 9 more after that from 50.

We have 20 games to go......