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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1681 » by Eyeamok » Mon Mar 4, 2024 2:33 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:In addition to rebounding and additional rim protection next to Embiid, playmaking and facilitation need to be filled this offseason. I'm starting to really warm up to the idea of Ingram if NOP becomes open to parting with him.

Maxey/(vet min)
Hield/Melton
Ingram/Batum
(Room exception)/Reed
Embiid/(vet min)

Is how I hope we can round out the roster this summer.


What do you give up to get Ingram just picks?

Drummond and Oubre should be on this team next year too. Honestly Melton has missed so many games this season you wonder if his back condition is more serious than we know. I'd insert Shake Milton in his spot, same production, probably at a lot cheaper price. And don't forget about Ricky Council after working hard in the summer he maybe ready to make a consistent contribution off the bench.
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Post#1682 » by Eyeamok » Mon Mar 4, 2024 2:35 am

Its interesting I've been reading some of the posts on the Piston board. They have quite a few people over there that like the idea of signing Harris in the off season. They think he could be a mentor of sorts to Beef Stew.
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Post#1683 » by eyeatoma » Mon Mar 4, 2024 2:49 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:In addition to rebounding and additional rim protection next to Embiid, playmaking and facilitation need to be filled this offseason. I'm starting to really warm up to the idea of Ingram if NOP becomes open to parting with him.

Maxey/(vet min)
Hield/Melton
Ingram/Batum
(Room exception)/Reed
Embiid/(vet min)

Is how I hope we can round out the roster this summer.


What do you give up to get Ingram just picks?

Drummond and Oubre should be on this team next year too. Honestly Melton has missed so many games this season you wonder if his back condition is more serious than we know. I'd insert Shake Milton in his spot, same production, probably at a lot cheaper price. And don't forget about Ricky Council after working hard in the summer he maybe ready to make a consistent contribution off the bench.



Milton is absolutely not the same production. Dude is a headcase and a jacked jump shot, and was one of the most frustrating players on the team. Incredibly inconsistent. De'Anthony Melton is actually consistent.

I will never understand this boards overvaluation of home grown talent, especially someone as bumb ass as Shake **** Milton. There is a reason he was bought out. Dude is straight ass.
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Post#1684 » by 76ciology » Mon Mar 4, 2024 3:38 am

sixers4real wrote:It’s been a while guys!

I moved back to Russia because of my business :( Miss Istanbul so much :(


So, what’s the Sixers plan?

Survive -> Get back Embiid -> 6 seed -> sweep the Cavs! -> laugh at Rivers Bucks in semis (4-2 win in semis) -> get a win in game 6 against Celtics unlike last year (no Harden and no Doc) -> Finals win against Nuggets because Embiid >>> Jokic

That’s the plan? :)


I'm sorry to hear you're not happy to be back in Russia (would love to go visit Russia sometime) after your time in Turkey. However, I'm glad to see you back and posting on the message board. Welcome back!

The plan you drew up is what most have mentioned in Sixers Circle podcasts. However, I don't think the Bucks would be that easy to beat. They've been elite on defense lately. Meanwhile, the Cavs and Knicks seem to be one of those paper tiger playoff teams.
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Post#1685 » by Eyeamok » Mon Mar 4, 2024 5:20 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:In addition to rebounding and additional rim protection next to Embiid, playmaking and facilitation need to be filled this offseason. I'm starting to really warm up to the idea of Ingram if NOP becomes open to parting with him.

Maxey/(vet min)
Hield/Melton
Ingram/Batum
(Room exception)/Reed
Embiid/(vet min)

Is how I hope we can round out the roster this summer.


What do you give up to get Ingram just picks?

Drummond and Oubre should be on this team next year too. Honestly Melton has missed so many games this season you wonder if his back condition is more serious than we know. I'd insert Shake Milton in his spot, same production, probably at a lot cheaper price. And don't forget about Ricky Council after working hard in the summer he maybe ready to make a consistent contribution off the bench.



Milton is absolutely not the same production. Dude is a headcase and a jacked jump shot, and was one of the most frustrating players on the team. Incredibly inconsistent. De'Anthony Melton is actually consistent.

I will never understand this boards overvaluation of home grown talent, especially someone as bumb ass as Shake **** Milton. There is a reason he was bought out. Dude is straight ass.


Maybe we won't see eye to eye on this one but Shake no doubt had his issues. And maybe I'm highly influenced by the Dallas win today. But last season when all the stars were out Doc did a good job of keeping the team afloat and winning games. Shake Milton was a big part of that. When the stars came back Shake went back to his normal role and all the confidence and good games played amounted to naught because Doc was sporadic in his use of him. A better coach would have gotten more out of him going forward. Nurse is a better coach. Sitting on the Wolves bench and not really contributing as they stayed atop the western conference had to be a blow his ego. The pistons telling him there is no real role for you here had to be another blow to the ego. I want to see how he does in NY. He might be washed he might no longer be able to cut it in the NBA. But if he does still know how to play I would take a Shake that is ready to accept his role. A Shake that will be coached by one of the best coaches in the NBA, a Shake that has chemistry with Embiid and Maxey. A Shake that will cost less than Milton and be more available to play than Milton has been.

I could be 100% wrong on my assessment of the situation but as a cheap free agent that has chemistry with my stars. I would definitely place a call to his agent in the off season to fill out my roster.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1686 » by 76ciology » Mon Mar 4, 2024 9:41 am

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What we need.

But maybe Kelly can provide that from time to time.
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Post#1687 » by the_process » Mon Mar 4, 2024 1:47 pm

76ciology wrote:[x]
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What we need.

But maybe Kelly can provide that from time to time.


I think, depending on how everything else shakes out, that they might want to take the risk that John Collins can be their Aaron Gordon.

Embiid obviously won't throw those interior lobs like Jokic, though. :lol:
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Post#1688 » by elchengue20 » Mon Mar 4, 2024 2:30 pm

Tha'ts the best big man passer ever with probably one of the best lob catcher ever. Makes no sense to try to replicate it.

It's like watching a Curry tape and say let's get our PG to shoot 10+ threes a game.
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Post#1689 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 5, 2024 3:25 am

Comparing the last two games against the Hornets and the Mavs to the one against the Celtics, the big difference is that we can find mismatch opportunities for Tobias and/or Oubre to exploit. Hield, Oubre, and Tobias just can't seem to score against White or Jrue. The two-man game of Maxey was also more effective, partly because of the Mavs' defense and partly because we're simply better with it.

The bright side against the Celtics game is that despite our offensive problems, we were able to bring the game to within six points. We managed to take 40 three-point shots and limit the Celtics' three-point shooting.

Offensively, we need better chemistry with our sets—from the two-man game to the three-man game, off-ball movements for shooters, and weave actions to generate quality shots without relying solely on Hield, Oubre, and Tobias needing to attack the defender in isolation. We need better screens, a faster pace, and familiarity with one another, such as knowing when to cut backdoor.

Defensively, there are fewer issues to clean up. We need to be comfortable and know what to do when opponents attack Maxey and how to play defense when we go small with Batum at the center position.
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Post#1690 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 5, 2024 3:33 am

elchengue20 wrote:Tha'ts the best big man passer ever with probably one of the best lob catcher ever. Makes no sense to try to replicate it.

It's like watching a Curry tape and say let's get our PG to shoot 10+ threes a game.


Curry's style has paved the way for guards, showing them how to play the game the right way. However, if we acknowledge that nobody can replicate Curry's style, perhaps we should also temper our obsession with three-point shooting. The reality is that most to all great shooters are either stars or flawed players who are limited to shooting and/or struggle on defense.

Daryl Morey once mentioned that Embiid has secretly always wanted to play like Magic Johnson. Indeed, Embiid's style of play has resembled that of Jokic, to the point where our team even mirrors the Nuggets in their appetite for shots when Embiid is on the court.

I recall a time when suggesting that Biid should stop posting up that much and emulate Dirk was a very controversial opinion, with 90% of the board preferring him to take it inside. Yet, look at where we are now.
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Post#1691 » by Mik317 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 3:35 am

been asking for him to emulate Tim Duncan his whole damn career lol
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Post#1692 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Mar 5, 2024 1:26 pm

Modeling his game after Duncan in hindsight would have been the smartest move for Embiid. 90% of his injuries have been caused by him doing stupid $h1tt.
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Post#1693 » by eyeatoma » Tue Mar 5, 2024 1:31 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Modeling his game after Duncan in hindsight would have been the smartest move for Embiid. 90% of his injuries have been caused by him doing stupid $h1tt.



Problem is Embiid is not a set shooter, Duncan got a lot of shots of the pick and pop and would shoot stand still 23 footers. Jo always needs a hang dribble to get in rhythm. Also his post moves are elite but he gets hacked like crazy and panics when doubled in the post.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1694 » by eyeatoma » Tue Mar 5, 2024 1:46 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Modeling his game after Duncan in hindsight would have been the smartest move for Embiid. 90% of his injuries have been caused by him doing stupid $h1tt.



Problem is Embiid is not a set shooter, Duncan got a lot of shots of the pick and pop and would shoot stand still 23 footers. Jo always needs a hang dribble to get in rhythm. Also his post moves are elite but he gets hacked like crazy and panics when doubled in the post.



Too his credit Embiid is a better shooter than 99% of the league from midrange. He's one of the GOATs in that department so that works for him. In fact most of his injuries are not from his offensive style anymore. Most recent ones have been on defense or random elbows in the face.
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Post#1695 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 2:39 pm

Next 5 games are gonna be huge for playoff seeding. Two winnable matchups vs Brooklyn & Memphis. Probably a loss to the Pelicans. Then a back to back vs the Knicks. It would be awesome to leave this stretch 4-1 before our schedule gets really hard again in the back half of the month.
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Post#1696 » by the_process » Tue Mar 5, 2024 7:58 pm

76ciology wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:Tha'ts the best big man passer ever with probably one of the best lob catcher ever. Makes no sense to try to replicate it.

It's like watching a Curry tape and say let's get our PG to shoot 10+ threes a game.


Curry's style has paved the way for guards, showing them how to play the game the right way. However, if we acknowledge that nobody can replicate Curry's style, perhaps we should also temper our obsession with three-point shooting. The reality is that most to all great shooters are either stars or flawed players who are limited to shooting and/or struggle on defense.

Daryl Morey once mentioned that Embiid has secretly always wanted to play like Magic Johnson. Indeed, Embiid's style of play has resembled that of Jokic, to the point where our team even mirrors the Nuggets in their appetite for shots when Embiid is on the court.

I recall a time when suggesting that Biid should stop posting up that much and emulate Dirk was a very controversial opinion, with 90% of the board preferring him to take it inside. Yet, look at where we are now.


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Post#1697 » by 76ciology » Wed Mar 6, 2024 2:37 am

Matchups that can generate help defense include:
- Embiid against any matchup
- Maxey against almost any matchup
- Tobi/Oubre against some matchup

Currently, our focus is on learning and developing strategies for Tobi and Oubre to excel in these favorable matchups and guiding them into those situations.

Another way is devising being more advanced with our offensive sets that we can outsmart the opponent's defense, enabling us to capitalize on misdirections and exploit defensive lapses.

This will be especially apparent if we avoid relying solely on Maxey during this stretch as the primary offensive option, while still utilizing him significantly in crunch time to develop him as a clutch scorer in case Embiid is unavailable or is in a slump.
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Post#1698 » by the_process » Thu Mar 7, 2024 6:54 am

The Sixers are limping to finish without Jo, understandably.

Looking at the schedule, certainly feels like a 2-11 run to the end of month. That would leave them 37-38 and probably in the 9th spot.

The question is, if the best they can hope for is a couple of play-in wins to face Boston in the 1st round... is it even worth bringing Jo back?

The smarter thing IMO would be to try to lock up a lottery pick and improve their potential trade package. Lose that 9-10 game and go into the summer and hope Embiid can talk someone into joining at the Olympics. Also Reed's contract goes bye-bye and increases cap room if they lose the play-in game.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1699 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Mar 7, 2024 2:34 pm

Don't rush Embiid back please. We have no chance in playoffs even with him 100% healthy, much less with him hobbled.
Let him recover and come back strong next season, let him show all time greatness again in Regular Season to pad his trade value and trade him at the deadline.
The plan should be to get a ton of assets for Embiid and build around Maxey, Hield and Oubre. With Maxey as your best player we will be a team getting good enough picks in the lottery, we will be having a ton of assets to do a fairly quick rebuild.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2 

Post#1700 » by rulebook » Thu Mar 7, 2024 3:39 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Horrible takes since 2016


Nailed it!

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