Damian Lillard struggles big time right now

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Re: He. A. Shoot but he can’t play - Re: Damian Lillard struggles big time right now 

Post#341 » by stillgotgame » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:54 pm

CobraCommander wrote:He can still shoot but can’t play well enough to impact ref season nba games -

Something amiss


That something amiss is the coaching in Milwaukee. Griffin was in way over his head and Doc is making a bigger mess while trying to clean things up.
Just put the ball in Dame's hands and let him cook, he's fine.
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Post#342 » by CobraCommander » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:26 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:He can still shoot but can’t play well enough to impact ref season nba games -

Something amiss


That something amiss is the coaching in Milwaukee. Griffin was in way over his head and Doc is making a bigger mess while trying to clean things up.
Just put the ball in Dame's hands and let him cook, he's fine.

Remember the game when Giannis was out and they played Cleveland -

They said Dame go cook - but instead Dame looked cooked
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Post#343 » by Profound23 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 3:33 am

CobraCommander wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:He can still shoot but can’t play well enough to impact ref season nba games -

Something amiss


That something amiss is the coaching in Milwaukee. Griffin was in way over his head and Doc is making a bigger mess while trying to clean things up.
Just put the ball in Dame's hands and let him cook, he's fine.

Remember the game when Giannis was out and they played Cleveland -

They said Dame go cook - but instead Dame looked cooked



Remember that game when Giannis was out and they played the Kawhi, Harden, George lead Clippers &

They said Dame go cook - and boy did he cook
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Post#344 » by Jez2983 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 5:38 am

I'm just here for the writing off of a top-75 all time player.


Has that ever worked out well?
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Post#345 » by CobraCommander » Tue Mar 5, 2024 6:07 am

Profound23 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
That something amiss is the coaching in Milwaukee. Griffin was in way over his head and Doc is making a bigger mess while trying to clean things up.
Just put the ball in Dame's hands and let him cook, he's fine.

Remember the game when Giannis was out and they played Cleveland -

They said Dame go cook - but instead Dame looked cooked



Remember that game when Giannis was out and they played the Kawhi, Harden, George lead Clippers &

They said Dame go cook - and boy did he cook

lol oh how times have changed lol
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Post#346 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 9:19 am

Profound23 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
That something amiss is the coaching in Milwaukee. Griffin was in way over his head and Doc is making a bigger mess while trying to clean things up.
Just put the ball in Dame's hands and let him cook, he's fine.

Remember the game when Giannis was out and they played Cleveland -

They said Dame go cook - but instead Dame looked cooked



Remember that game when Giannis was out and they played the Kawhi, Harden, George lead Clippers &

They said Dame go cook - and boy did he cook

im actually discouraged by what I saw tonight. Dame and giannis are still a work in progress, and they need to work well TOGETHER in actions because neither of them is good enough to beat jokic and boston by themselves.
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Post#347 » by Profound23 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 12:02 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:Remember the game when Giannis was out and they played Cleveland -

They said Dame go cook - but instead Dame looked cooked



Remember that game when Giannis was out and they played the Kawhi, Harden, George lead Clippers &

They said Dame go cook - and boy did he cook

im actually discouraged by what I saw tonight. Dame and giannis are still a work in progress, and they need to work well TOGETHER in actions because neither of them is good enough to beat jokic and boston by themselves.


Well if you watched the previous five games both Dame and Giannis were played very well together.
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Post#348 » by Packbuckman » Tue Mar 5, 2024 12:33 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Profound23 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:Remember the game when Giannis was out and they played Cleveland -

They said Dame go cook - but instead Dame looked cooked



Remember that game when Giannis was out and they played the Kawhi, Harden, George lead Clippers &

They said Dame go cook - and boy did he cook

im actually discouraged by what I saw tonight. Dame and giannis are still a work in progress, and they need to work well TOGETHER in actions because neither of them is good enough to beat jokic and boston by themselves.



Well that guy that didn’t know how to use them and didn’t know how to coach isn’t there anymore. The last 5 games they were very good together and so was the whole team especially the defense
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Post#349 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 12:37 pm

Packbuckman wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Profound23 wrote:

Remember that game when Giannis was out and they played the Kawhi, Harden, George lead Clippers &

They said Dame go cook - and boy did he cook

im actually discouraged by what I saw tonight. Dame and giannis are still a work in progress, and they need to work well TOGETHER in actions because neither of them is good enough to beat jokic and boston by themselves.



Well that guy that didn’t know how to use them and didn’t know how to coach isn’t there anymore. The last 5 games they were very good together and so was the whole team especially the defense

I think it’s the players more actually. But yeah. The offense between dame and Giannis has to be as good as the Celtics and nuggets.they both seem committed , but lillard seems to defer to Giannis too much when he is obviously a vastly superior half court creator. They both have improve at pnr. Dame is more comfortable with a popper, Giannis isn’t really elite as a roller with his footwork either. Just being very specific on how they can reach all time levels
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Post#350 » by Ssj16 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 12:51 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Packbuckman wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:im actually discouraged by what I saw tonight. Dame and giannis are still a work in progress, and they need to work well TOGETHER in actions because neither of them is good enough to beat jokic and boston by themselves.



Well that guy that didn’t know how to use them and didn’t know how to coach isn’t there anymore. The last 5 games they were very good together and so was the whole team especially the defense

I think it’s the players more actually. But yeah. The offense between dame and Giannis has to be as good as the Celtics and nuggets.they both seem committed , but lillard seems to defer to Giannis too much when he is obviously a vastly superior half court creator. They both have improve at pnr. Dame is more comfortable with a popper, Giannis isn’t really elite as a roller with his footwork either. Just being very specific on how they can reach all time levels


I don't really watch a lot of bucks games but from what I've heard Giannis is having a hard time relinquishing ball handling duties and giving up his spot as the primary option.

If this is true, I find this absurd. The offense should run through Lillard, imo and Giannis should be getting in position through movement to get the ball in optimal spots or at least setting screens.
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Post#351 » by Jaqua92 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 3:17 pm

Ssj16 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Packbuckman wrote:

Well that guy that didn’t know how to use them and didn’t know how to coach isn’t there anymore. The last 5 games they were very good together and so was the whole team especially the defense

I think it’s the players more actually. But yeah. The offense between dame and Giannis has to be as good as the Celtics and nuggets.they both seem committed , but lillard seems to defer to Giannis too much when he is obviously a vastly superior half court creator. They both have improve at pnr. Dame is more comfortable with a popper, Giannis isn’t really elite as a roller with his footwork either. Just being very specific on how they can reach all time levels


I don't really watch a lot of bucks games but from what I've heard Giannis is having a hard time relinquishing ball handling duties and giving up his spot as the primary option.

If this is true, I find this absurd. The offense should run through Lillard, imo and Giannis should be getting in position through movement to get the ball in optimal spots or at least setting screens.


Why? That's not his game? giannis is inefficient outside of 3 feet. 44% from 3-10 feet.

Giannis is at his most effective when he's at the rim. More often than not, that requires him to have the ball in his hands because he has a somewhat rudimentary post game. It's going to be hard for these two to maximize each other. Dame needs to be more of a spot up shooter, and slasher
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Post#352 » by jimmybones » Tue Mar 5, 2024 4:42 pm

I think people confuse Dame's numbers being down (a little bit?) from his norms and less full take over moments than we've seen from him before as somehow this not working for him but are missing the point of the net effect for the team is fantastic with them together.

Giannis is seeing more space than he ever has an it's resulting in incredibly efficiency and maybe most importantly to Bucks fans that are paying close attention, he doesn't look constantly gassed because the entire workload is on him. Dame's presence alone has been a huge positive for Giannis.

Dame showed last night that he can carry the load at times. Last year, if Giannis and Khris were out, there's about a zero percent chance the Bucks beat the Clippers.

Dame has an uptick in efficiency in him and the direct Giannis and Dame actions have room to grow but anyone who thinks it's "not working" as is isn't paying attention.
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Post#353 » by LUKE23 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 4:57 pm

For 5-man lineups with at least 200 minutes, Bucks have two of the top 4 in net rating, and Lillard/GA are in both. Their normal starting five is only slightly behind Denver in net rating. That duo isn't the issue (although they definitely should be incorporating more 2-man stuff, and they have been recently). The only reason the Bucks aren't EASILY the 2 seed is Griffin and his crazy defensive schemes he used given the Bucks personnel.

With the defense clearly fixed and the bench more stabilized with Portis/Beverly, Bucks just need health.
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Post#354 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 5:50 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
Ssj16 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:I think it’s the players more actually. But yeah. The offense between dame and Giannis has to be as good as the Celtics and nuggets.they both seem committed , but lillard seems to defer to Giannis too much when he is obviously a vastly superior half court creator. They both have improve at pnr. Dame is more comfortable with a popper, Giannis isn’t really elite as a roller with his footwork either. Just being very specific on how they can reach all time levels


I don't really watch a lot of bucks games but from what I've heard Giannis is having a hard time relinquishing ball handling duties and giving up his spot as the primary option.

If this is true, I find this absurd. The offense should run through Lillard, imo and Giannis should be getting in position through movement to get the ball in optimal spots or at least setting screens.


Why? That's not his game? giannis is inefficient outside of 3 feet. 44% from 3-10 feet.

Giannis is at his most effective when he's at the rim. More often than not, that requires him to have the ball in his hands because he has a somewhat rudimentary post game. It's going to be hard for these two to maximize each other. Dame needs to be more of a spot up shooter, and slasher

Actually he’s having a career year in the post. He’s really trying, it’s just not natural for him
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Post#355 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 5:52 pm

LUKE23 wrote:For 5-man lineups with at least 200 minutes, Bucks have two of the top 4 in net rating, and Lillard/GA are in both. Their normal starting five is only slightly behind Denver in net rating. That duo isn't the issue (although they definitely should be incorporating more 2-man stuff, and they have been recently). The only reason the Bucks aren't EASILY the 2 seed is Griffin and his crazy defensive schemes he used given the Bucks personnel.

With the defense clearly fixed and the bench more stabilized with Portis/Beverly, Bucks just need health.

Pat been really good for them, just having a guy who can chase over screens and communicate is huge for Brook Lopez
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Post#356 » by Laimbeer » Tue Mar 5, 2024 6:06 pm

I get the concern, but we really need to let the entire season play out, particularly the playoffs. Dame was brought in to elevate the Bucks to another title run, not necessarily make them a better regular season team.
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Post#357 » by binjumper » Tue Mar 5, 2024 6:31 pm

Jez2983 wrote:I'm just here for the writing off of a top-75 all time player.


Has that ever worked out well?


Something the nba made up last year?
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Post#358 » by Profound23 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 7:27 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
Ssj16 wrote:
I don't really watch a lot of bucks games but from what I've heard Giannis is having a hard time relinquishing ball handling duties and giving up his spot as the primary option.

If this is true, I find this absurd. The offense should run through Lillard, imo and Giannis should be getting in position through movement to get the ball in optimal spots or at least setting screens.


Why? That's not his game? giannis is inefficient outside of 3 feet. 44% from 3-10 feet.

Giannis is at his most effective when he's at the rim. More often than not, that requires him to have the ball in his hands because he has a somewhat rudimentary post game. It's going to be hard for these two to maximize each other. Dame needs to be more of a spot up shooter, and slasher

Actually he’s having a career year in the post. He’s really trying, it’s just not natural for him


He worked on it with Hakeem in the offseason, hopefully he does it again next year because that would extend his career.
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Post#359 » by MiltownMadness » Tue Mar 5, 2024 7:45 pm

binjumper wrote:
Jez2983 wrote:I'm just here for the writing off of a top-75 all time player.


Has that ever worked out well?


Something the nba made up last year?

What a strange thing to point out, as if any top 75 list could be taken seriously without Damian **** Lillard :lol:
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Post#360 » by Godymas » Tue Mar 5, 2024 7:46 pm

here for the overreactions after last nights win against the Clippers missing an MVP

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