DET/NOR, how close is the value or who needs to add?

[A_dub06]

I like the idea...what about FRP Pistons for Murphy+LAL FRP... let NOP Sarr selection

I’m a little confused by what you mean man, I assume you mean Det 2024 1st round pick for Murphy and LAL 2024 round pick but I don’t get the SArr part. He will go top 5 in this draft so he won’t be available via LAL’s pick.

Yes, sorry I explained it wrong...my suggestion is that NOP keeps the Detroit selection (if Sarr is on the board) and sends Murphy +FRP LAKERS...looking at it now it seems too stingy.. maybe Murphy+#14+Future FRP protected for the Pistons selection (1/2)..

Because? on paper Sarr seems like a much better fit for Zion and he does NOT have to pay Murphy next year, which gives them flexibility...
Pistons are really covered at the 5 with Duren...he is young, good and they already know him...above all they have few assets compared to teams in the same timeline and obvious holes...plus Murphy is good and fits wonderfully ..And it seems that this is a very flat Draft

Yeah fair enough man. Whilst I really want Murphy and obviously he’s a commodity with a price to pay to get him, I think if we get the #1 pick or even top 3 for that matter it would probably be too much to trade. Duren has great upside and he’s made strides in his development but personally I’d want to swing for the fences on Sarr and use Duren to upgrade the wing.

If shooting at the 5 is something NOR needs I’d be happy to trade Stew and maybe re-route Duren to a 3rd team for additional assets that we could include to get Murphy. But I’m not sure how NOR would feel about that kinda deal.

[eitanr]

Only concern is the reliance of Sarr on D. If Detroit started a Murphy/Thompson/Ivey/Cade 4-1 unit then there's more reliance on that center covering gaps.

But, getting veteran stop gap backup 5s like Jalen Smith would be easier to find, so okay with the 'risk' there. Detroit also has a ton of flexibility here since Murphy can play 4-2, Cade 1-3. A lot to love in terms of spacing of course as well.

Can Murphy stay healthy (also know that is a concern with Duren)?

[A_dub06]

Only concern is the reliance of Sarr on D. If Detroit started a Murphy/Thompson/Ivey/Cade 4-1 unit then there's more reliance on that center covering gaps.

But, getting veteran stop gap backup 5s like Jalen Smith would be easier to find, so okay with the 'risk' there. Detroit also has a ton of flexibility here since Murphy can play 4-2, Cade 1-3. A lot to love in terms of spacing of course as well.

Can Murphy stay healthy (also know that is a concern with Duren)?

That is the same reliance that Detroit has on Duren now and at this point I wouldn’t call Duren a good defender. He’s shown he can at times, so it may be more of an experience thing but I do feel we need a Center that has the potential to step out and shoot it.

Murphy also isn’t a sieve defensively and as you say has versatility in the spots he can play. The injuries are a concern, but I don’t think they are enough to be a deal breaker by any means. And yeah I really like the Jalen Smith idea especially if we are shipping out Stewart.

[vege]

I like the idea...what about FRP Pistons for Murphy+LAL FRP... let NOP Sarr selection

I’m a little confused by what you mean man, I assume you mean Det 2024 1st round pick for Murphy and LAL 2024 round pick but I don’t get the SArr part. He will go top 5 in this draft so he won’t be available via LAL’s pick.

Yes, sorry I explained it wrong...my suggestion is that NOP keeps the Detroit selection (if Sarr is on the board) and sends Murphy +FRP LAKERS...looking at it now it seems too stingy.. maybe Murphy+#14+Future FRP protected for the Pistons selection (1/2)..

Because? on paper Sarr seems like a much better fit for Zion and he does NOT have to pay Murphy next year, which gives them flexibility...
Pistons are really covered at the 5 with Duren...he is young, good and they already know him...above all they have few assets compared to teams in the same timeline and obvious holes...plus Murphy is good and fits wonderfully ..And it seems that this is a very flat Draft

Murphy + spare parts don't get you #1 or #2.

Let's do it the other way around. Let's say Washington get #1. Would they trade it for Duren + a late lotto pick and a protected 1st? Of course they wouldn't. It would cost Cade, possibly Cade+ to get #1.

[DetroitDon15]

I don’t get the fit of Murphy with Cade and Ivey. It leaves a big whole in the middle for the Pistons. If Detroit moves Duren, they need a stretch four back. I’m not sure how the Pistons can move Duren without impacting the lineup and making it a step forward.

[eitanr]

Only concern is the reliance of Sarr on D. If Detroit started a Murphy/Thompson/Ivey/Cade 4-1 unit then there's more reliance on that center covering gaps.

But, getting veteran stop gap backup 5s like Jalen Smith would be easier to find, so okay with the 'risk' there. Detroit also has a ton of flexibility here since Murphy can play 4-2, Cade 1-3. A lot to love in terms of spacing of course as well.

Can Murphy stay healthy (also know that is a concern with Duren)?

That is the same reliance that Detroit has on Duren now and at this point I wouldn’t call Duren a good defender. He’s shown he can at times, so it may be more of an experience thing but I do feel we need a Center that has the potential to step out and shoot it.

Murphy also isn’t a sieve defensively and as you say has versatility in the spots he can play. The injuries are a concern, but I don’t think they are enough to be a deal breaker by any means. And yeah I really like the Jalen Smith idea especially if we are shipping out Stewart.

Bottom line also is it feels way easier to bridge gaps with center than with lengthy spacing combo forwards. Murphy (or even Herb Jones if he ever were available) are just way harder to find.

Another idea could be moving cap space for Jonathan Isaac to shore up the 4/5. Sure, it's throwing money at another injury risk. But with Orlando also going for a FA boost adding more defensive and flexible rotation talent to Detroit is super interesting.

There's just a boat load of options post trade to solidify that 4/5 rotation between draft and free agency to relieve any worries about losing Duren.

[penbeast0]

I’m a little confused by what you mean man, I assume you mean Det 2024 1st round pick for Murphy and LAL 2024 round pick but I don’t get the SArr part. He will go top 5 in this draft so he won’t be available via LAL’s pick.

Yes, sorry I explained it wrong...my suggestion is that NOP keeps the Detroit selection (if Sarr is on the board) and sends Murphy +FRP LAKERS...looking at it now it seems too stingy.. maybe Murphy+#14+Future FRP protected for the Pistons selection (1/2)..

Because? on paper Sarr seems like a much better fit for Zion and he does NOT have to pay Murphy next year, which gives them flexibility...
Pistons are really covered at the 5 with Duren...he is young, good and they already know him...above all they have few assets compared to teams in the same timeline and obvious holes...plus Murphy is good and fits wonderfully ..And it seems that this is a very flat Draft

Murphy + spare parts don't get you #1 or #2.

Let's do it the other way around. Let's say Washington get #1. Would they trade it for Duren + a late lotto pick and a protected 1st? Of course they wouldn't. It would cost Cade, possibly Cade+ to get #1.

People differ. When I asked if Wiz fans would trade Deni Avdija for the #1 pick, the overwhelming majority of Wiz board responders shot it down.

[A_dub06]

I don’t get the fit of Murphy with Cade and Ivey. It leaves a big whole in the middle for the Pistons. If Detroit moves Duren, they need a stretch four back. I’m not sure how the Pistons can move Duren without impacting the lineup and making it a step forward.

Murphy is a really versatile player, can play 2-4 on offence and defence he man up 3-4, plus some 2’s. I don’t understand the confusion, Murphy would literally act as the stretch 4 in this case, that is the fit that has both defence and shooting.

In this pipe dream, drafting Sarr giving us a Center with the potential to shoot from 3, it means we would have 4 players that at least need to be respected from range opening up the paint and creating many more opportunities.

[A_dub06]

Only concern is the reliance of Sarr on D. If Detroit started a Murphy/Thompson/Ivey/Cade 4-1 unit then there's more reliance on that center covering gaps.

But, getting veteran stop gap backup 5s like Jalen Smith would be easier to find, so okay with the 'risk' there. Detroit also has a ton of flexibility here since Murphy can play 4-2, Cade 1-3. A lot to love in terms of spacing of course as well.

Can Murphy stay healthy (also know that is a concern with Duren)?

That is the same reliance that Detroit has on Duren now and at this point I wouldn’t call Duren a good defender. He’s shown he can at times, so it may be more of an experience thing but I do feel we need a Center that has the potential to step out and shoot it.

Murphy also isn’t a sieve defensively and as you say has versatility in the spots he can play. The injuries are a concern, but I don’t think they are enough to be a deal breaker by any means. And yeah I really like the Jalen Smith idea especially if we are shipping out Stewart.

Bottom line also is it feels way easier to bridge gaps with center than with lengthy spacing combo forwards. Murphy (or even Herb Jones if he ever were available) are just way harder to find.

Another idea could be moving cap space for Jonathan Isaac to shore up the 4/5. Sure, it's throwing money at another injury risk. But with Orlando also going for a FA boost adding more defensive and flexible rotation talent to Detroit is super interesting.

There's just a boat load of options post trade to solidify that 4/5 rotation between draft and free agency to relieve any worries about losing Duren.

If he comes cheap I’d do it, but paying him even his current contract I think is over the top considering the risk and how often he gets injured. Dude is made of glass. He also hasn’t shown that he can shoot it from 3 from a respectable % unless you see him as strictly a Center, but his defence is great.

[lordjeff05]

I’m a little confused by what you mean man, I assume you mean Det 2024 1st round pick for Murphy and LAL 2024 round pick but I don’t get the SArr part. He will go top 5 in this draft so he won’t be available via LAL’s pick.

Yes, sorry I explained it wrong...my suggestion is that NOP keeps the Detroit selection (if Sarr is on the board) and sends Murphy +FRP LAKERS...looking at it now it seems too stingy.. maybe Murphy+#14+Future FRP protected for the Pistons selection (1/2)..

Because? on paper Sarr seems like a much better fit for Zion and he does NOT have to pay Murphy next year, which gives them flexibility...
Pistons are really covered at the 5 with Duren...he is young, good and they already know him...above all they have few assets compared to teams in the same timeline and obvious holes...plus Murphy is good and fits wonderfully ..And it seems that this is a very flat Draft

Yeah fair enough man. Whilst I really want Murphy and obviously he’s a commodity with a price to pay to get him, I think if we get the #1 pick or even top 3 for that matter it would probably be too much to trade. Duren has great upside and he’s made strides in his development but personally I’d want to swing for the fences on Sarr and use Duren to upgrade the wing.

If shooting at the 5 is something NOR needs I’d be happy to trade Stew and maybe re-route Duren to a 3rd team for additional assets that we could include to get Murphy. But I’m not sure how NOR would feel about that kinda deal.

Ive been intrigued with Stew for a long time. My question is whether he can hold up as a starter at the 5 defensively. His rim protection numbers have been better and hes always been pretty good switching on the pick and roll. Hes really grown as a shooter too. So if we are saying Stew plus some stuff for Trey with Duren going somewhere else, I'd listen.

[tmorgan]

Defensively, Stewart is better off playing the 5. He moves well enough on P&R coverage, but defending some 4’s (quicker ones) would be non-optimal. The league is trending towards those types of 4’s, too. As a center, he’s an average rim protector (more shot-changer than shot-blocker, very physical) and average rebounder. He’s a little short for a 5 and doesn’t leap that well, so it’s all grit, effort, boxing out, etc.

Playing him as a 5 allows you to run five out, of course. He’s a solid shooter, but it’s pretty close to a set shot, so he needs to be fairly open to get it off. Great screen setter. Mediocre hands. Don’t let him attempt to dribble drive, it’s typically disasterous.

Stew is a fairly good player, team leader, tough guy. He’s obviously not special in any way, but he’s locked up at a flat 15 mil for the next four years after this (3+TO). He’s very much a young PJ Tucker, except better inside than outside defensively, and I think he’ll be a solid playoff performer once he gets a chance — guys that can defend and can’t be left wide open on the perimeter are always in need. I mentioned in a different thread I think he’d be a nice fit with Wemby.