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To me, using Suggs's PPG as some sort of indicator for his value as a player is completely missing the entire point. In fact, Suggs willingness to defer and play a supporting role for a team on pace to finish as the 4th seed is exactly why he's so valuable as a player.
Suggs was the highest-ranked recruit in the history of Gonzaga's program and was almost 4th on the team in FGA's the year they made the championship game. Suggs didnt average 14 ppg that year because of an inability to score more, he did so due to playing behind 3 elite upperclassmen and doing what was best for the team, leading to their best year in program history.
If we put the ball in Suggs hands and asked him to score 18 ppg he could. But that's not what makes Suggs Suggs. The same way Jrue Holiday can go from 25% usage on a ECF team last year, to being 4th on Boston in FGA's this year because that's what his role demands. Suggs has all the makings of an elite roleplayer in this league, and one of the biggest reasons for that is his self-awarneess and knowing what is required from him to help the team win.
Suggs was the highest-ranked recruit in the history of Gonzaga's program and was almost 4th on the team in FGA's the year they made the championship game. Suggs didnt average 14 ppg that year because of an inability to score more, he did so due to playing behind 3 elite upperclassmen and doing what was best for the team, leading to their best year in program history.
If we put the ball in Suggs hands and asked him to score 18 ppg he could. But that's not what makes Suggs Suggs. The same way Jrue Holiday can go from 25% usage on a ECF team last year, to being 4th on Boston in FGA's this year because that's what his role demands. Suggs has all the makings of an elite roleplayer in this league, and one of the biggest reasons for that is his self-awarneess and knowing what is required from him to help the team win.

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BadMofoPimp wrote:p0peye wrote:Sometimes it feels like we want our young players to get as big contract as possible.
Fans probably do, but Magic lately have not. Fultz, WCJ and Isaac all got solid team favored deals in my opinion. If they can get Suggs to agree for around $20 mil per, I be happy.
Fultz and Isaac got $17m per each. Isaac is worth it, when he's on the floor but, at the time of the deal, very risky proposition. Let's face it - every night is an adventure with Isaac and I don't know if that will ever change. Isaac's deal is team-friendly only because it had several options - presumably based on his injury history.
Fultz has been an awful deal.
Mo Wagner was fine for his value - but he'd better become a 2nd stringer at C. It's not about how much a guy is worth in a vacuum - you've got to consider the rest of the team before you run out of cap space.
Ingles was fine at the time but, maybe won't be back if ORL finds a better option. No way is he back in 26 unless it's a vet minimum or coaching gig. Same with Harris-fine value, good TO. Not for long as the team is changing.
WCJ is an excellent deal. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league - even if I don't think ORL is an ideal fit.
Cole's deal seemed team-friendly at the time...It's still not bad, but he's definitely stalled a bit on his upward trajectory.
There's a cap. You just can't pay every marginal player $10m-$20m and build a team (unless you want a team of $10m players). Paolo is a max guy. Franz isn't, but he'll be close. Overpaying Fultz and Isaac based on their upsides (at the time) was fine because nothing else was happening with our projected cap space. Now, Thank God, it's different and we have building blocks in place that must be worked around.
Assuming Suggs stays right where he is now (statistically, etc)...I think $20m, maybe $22m, is the razor's edge of good deal/bad deal. He could be great - maybe we'll see more in the coming weeks and, especially, playoffs (where contracts are born). If he's not a 17 ppg guy going forward, he shouldn't make more than $20, even with excellent defense. The cap would have to skyrocket for that % of the team's payroll to go for those attributes.
I don't know the set numbers...but they are set. IF Paolo's at $40 and Franz is at $30...those are good value and still half of the cap for the WHOLE team! You can go over, but you'd better be good because you might be looking at locking in your lineup for years...throwing around those $13-17m deals can no longer be done carelessly - even if the guy is worth it.
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Suggs will get more than Simons, Poole, and Herro.
2 reasons:
He is a better player
The cap has gone up since they signed their contracts.
2 reasons:
He is a better player
The cap has gone up since they signed their contracts.
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PrimeThyme wrote:To me, using Suggs's PPG as some sort of indicator for his value as a player is completely missing the entire point. In fact, Suggs willingness to defer and play a supporting role for a team on pace to finish as the 4th seed is exactly why he's so valuable as a player.
Suggs was the highest-ranked recruit in the history of Gonzaga's program and was almost 4th on the team in FGA's the year they made the championship game. Suggs didnt average 14 ppg that year because of an inability to score more, he did so due to playing behind 3 elite upperclassmen and doing what was best for the team, leading to their best year in program history.
If we put the ball in Suggs hands and asked him to score 18 ppg he could. But that's not what makes Suggs Suggs. The same way Jrue Holiday can go from 25% usage on a ECF team last year, to being 4th on Boston in FGA's this year because that's what his role demands. Suggs has all the makings of an elite roleplayer in this league, and one of the biggest reasons for that is his self-awarneess and knowing what is required from him to help the team win.
Hold your horses.
Suggs was PLAYMAKER at college and not shy one. His FGA weren't that high but he had 25% usage rate. Basically every 4th possession at college, on Gonzaga ended with him shooting, passing for shot or turning the ball over.
He still was 3# in FGA per game.
And it's not like he was added to some scrubbish team, Gonzaga went 31-2 year before, and kept Kispert , Ayayi and Timma.
Whole "he could score 18 if he wants to" is bad take if you know we are 8th worst offense with 5th lowest PPG scored. If he "can" he should. Because our offense is very anemic.
Jrue Holiday can easly fall from 19 to 13 ppg ( and add 5 to 7 APG) because his team does not require him to score more- Boston is literally 3rd highest scoring team in basketball. But Magic simply literally need people not named Paolo and Franz to put ball through hoop more times.
On top of that if you bother to look at his splits, you will figure 85% all his 3FGM were assisted and in general 65% of all his points were assisted, it's not like you can tell him to "get his". His offense comes within flow of offense. When we tried him at PG or tried him to "get his" results were...terrible. Case and point two years prior.
Suggs isn't Magic problem tho. Nobody really claims it. But much like with any other player, talking about money, contract, context of a team, it's all fair.
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AaronB wrote:Suggs will get more than Simons, Poole, and Herro.
2 reasons:
He is a better player
The cap has gone up since they signed their contracts.
So.. Paolo+Suggs+Banchero =110M = never winning anything nor being able to build contender

Reason why Poole & Herro got money they did is because Heat & Warriors had well established, playoff tested teams with not much money to get better in any other way.
That doesn't mean their contracts were good decisions.
Poppey said it best, it almost feels like some of you root for players to get crazy money. I don't give a f*** who makes what, it's cartoonish money in sports at this point, but if you pay 3 players ( where best player today isn't top 10 player, second isn't top 20 and third isn't top 50 ) how execlly are you going to get better with all money gone? It's salary restricted league.
How many not-big market teams will be paying $350 000 000 for basketball team, like Warriors payed last year? Not many.
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PrimeThyme wrote:To me, using Suggs's PPG as some sort of indicator for his value as a player is completely missing the entire point. In fact, Suggs willingness to defer and play a supporting role for a team on pace to finish as the 4th seed is exactly why he's so valuable as a player.
Suggs was the highest-ranked recruit in the history of Gonzaga's program and was almost 4th on the team in FGA's the year they made the championship game. Suggs didnt average 14 ppg that year because of an inability to score more, he did so due to playing behind 3 elite upperclassmen and doing what was best for the team, leading to their best year in program history.
If we put the ball in Suggs hands and asked him to score 18 ppg he could. But that's not what makes Suggs Suggs. The same way Jrue Holiday can go from 25% usage on a ECF team last year, to being 4th on Boston in FGA's this year because that's what his role demands. Suggs has all the makings of an elite roleplayer in this league, and one of the biggest reasons for that is his self-awarneess and knowing what is required from him to help the team win.
Points per game is the only statistic that matters when your argument is room temperature IQ.
Suggs value on the court isn’t confined to volume 3’s. Everyone making a real case for him already knows this.
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pepe1991 wrote:AaronB wrote:Suggs will get more than Simons, Poole, and Herro.
2 reasons:
He is a better player
The cap has gone up since they signed their contracts.
So.. Paolo+Suggs+Banchero =110M = never winning anything nor being able to build contender
Reason why Poole & Herro got money they did is because Heat & Warriors had well established, playoff tested teams with not much money to get better in any other way.
That doesn't mean their contracts were good decisions.
Poppey said it best, it almost feels like some of you root for players to get crazy money. I don't give a f*** who makes what, it's cartoonish money in sports at this point, but if you pay 3 players ( where best player today isn't top 10 player, second isn't top 20 and third isn't top 50 ) how execlly are you going to get better with all money gone? It's salary restricted league.
How many not-big market teams will be paying $350 000 000 for basketball team, like Warriors payed last year? Not many.
Yeah but the counter argument to this is what? Weltman isn’t going to overpay Suggs on market value as a guy he drafted. Only other argument outside of that is paying Fultz as an unknown commodity with a bad track record.
Is there someone else on the roster more deserving than Suggs we are deciding upon? If that is the case, then make the argument. Paolo and Franz are going to get paid. That isn’t a mystery. They are also crazy young so the upside is still there, as is Suggs.
You claiming you know Magic aren’t winning anything with 3 guys in years 2-3,with no fathomable knowledge of future roster pieces, is why you should be taken as seriously as the same person saying Suggs is on par with Fultz as a shooter in year 2 on an nba roster. Eat your crow before you start another plate.
You can die on the hill that Suggs isn’t a good player or that paying him market value is a bad idea. But let’s not pretend you know what the actual **** you are talking about regarding evaluation of prospects and their trajectory.
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MagicMatic wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:To me, using Suggs's PPG as some sort of indicator for his value as a player is completely missing the entire point. In fact, Suggs willingness to defer and play a supporting role for a team on pace to finish as the 4th seed is exactly why he's so valuable as a player.
Suggs was the highest-ranked recruit in the history of Gonzaga's program and was almost 4th on the team in FGA's the year they made the championship game. Suggs didnt average 14 ppg that year because of an inability to score more, he did so due to playing behind 3 elite upperclassmen and doing what was best for the team, leading to their best year in program history.
If we put the ball in Suggs hands and asked him to score 18 ppg he could. But that's not what makes Suggs Suggs. The same way Jrue Holiday can go from 25% usage on a ECF team last year, to being 4th on Boston in FGA's this year because that's what his role demands. Suggs has all the makings of an elite roleplayer in this league, and one of the biggest reasons for that is his self-awarneess and knowing what is required from him to help the team win.
Points per game is the only statistic that matters when your argument is room temperature IQ.
Suggs value on the court isn’t confined to volume 3’s. Everyone making a real case for him already knows this.
I know I referenced PPG in my messages but I hope you're not referring to me...IF it was based on ONLY PPG - he'd be worth 10m, not the 20m I said. I'm well aware of what he brings, what he could bring AND the difference between them.
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Skybox wrote:MagicMatic wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:To me, using Suggs's PPG as some sort of indicator for his value as a player is completely missing the entire point. In fact, Suggs willingness to defer and play a supporting role for a team on pace to finish as the 4th seed is exactly why he's so valuable as a player.
Suggs was the highest-ranked recruit in the history of Gonzaga's program and was almost 4th on the team in FGA's the year they made the championship game. Suggs didnt average 14 ppg that year because of an inability to score more, he did so due to playing behind 3 elite upperclassmen and doing what was best for the team, leading to their best year in program history.
If we put the ball in Suggs hands and asked him to score 18 ppg he could. But that's not what makes Suggs Suggs. The same way Jrue Holiday can go from 25% usage on a ECF team last year, to being 4th on Boston in FGA's this year because that's what his role demands. Suggs has all the makings of an elite roleplayer in this league, and one of the biggest reasons for that is his self-awarneess and knowing what is required from him to help the team win.
Points per game is the only statistic that matters when your argument is room temperature IQ.
Suggs value on the court isn’t confined to volume 3’s. Everyone making a real case for him already knows this.
I know I referenced PPG in my messages but I hope you're not referring to me...IF it was based on ONLY PPG - he'd be worth 10m, not the 20m I said. I'm well aware of what he brings, what he could bring AND the difference between them.
No im not referring to anyone in particular with that statement.
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pepe1991 wrote:AaronB wrote:Suggs will get more than Simons, Poole, and Herro.
2 reasons:
He is a better player
The cap has gone up since they signed their contracts.
So.. Paolo+Suggs+Banchero =110M = never winning anything nor being able to build contender
Reason why Poole & Herro got money they did is because Heat & Warriors had well established, playoff tested teams with not much money to get better in any other way.
That doesn't mean their contracts were good decisions.
Poppey said it best, it almost feels like some of you root for players to get crazy money. I don't give a f*** who makes what, it's cartoonish money in sports at this point, but if you pay 3 players ( where best player today isn't top 10 player, second isn't top 20 and third isn't top 50 ) how execlly are you going to get better with all money gone? It's salary restricted league.
How many not-big market teams will be paying $350 000 000 for basketball team, like Warriors payed last year? Not many.
Nope. Dead wrong again as usual. The reason they (Poole and Herro) got what they did is because that was the market. Simple as that. It is possible to argue that Poole got his as a favor to not sue the Warriors, but other than that argument, they simply got market value.
Suggs is better than both (Poole by a wide margin) and it will be 2 years of increasing cap to add to Suggs number. I suspect something on the order of 4/140 and up. Big money.
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Skybox wrote:MagicMatic wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:To me, using Suggs's PPG as some sort of indicator for his value as a player is completely missing the entire point. In fact, Suggs willingness to defer and play a supporting role for a team on pace to finish as the 4th seed is exactly why he's so valuable as a player.
Suggs was the highest-ranked recruit in the history of Gonzaga's program and was almost 4th on the team in FGA's the year they made the championship game. Suggs didnt average 14 ppg that year because of an inability to score more, he did so due to playing behind 3 elite upperclassmen and doing what was best for the team, leading to their best year in program history.
If we put the ball in Suggs hands and asked him to score 18 ppg he could. But that's not what makes Suggs Suggs. The same way Jrue Holiday can go from 25% usage on a ECF team last year, to being 4th on Boston in FGA's this year because that's what his role demands. Suggs has all the makings of an elite roleplayer in this league, and one of the biggest reasons for that is his self-awarneess and knowing what is required from him to help the team win.
Points per game is the only statistic that matters when your argument is room temperature IQ.
Suggs value on the court isn’t confined to volume 3’s. Everyone making a real case for him already knows this.
I know I referenced PPG in my messages but I hope you're not referring to me...IF it was based on ONLY PPG - he'd be worth 10m, not the 20m I said. I'm well aware of what he brings, what he could bring AND the difference between them.
I wonder how many Defensive players averaging 12-14ppg make over $20 mil per?

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Skybox wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:p0peye wrote:Sometimes it feels like we want our young players to get as big contract as possible.
Fans probably do, but Magic lately have not. Fultz, WCJ and Isaac all got solid team favored deals in my opinion. If they can get Suggs to agree for around $20 mil per, I be happy.
Fultz and Isaac got $17m per each. Isaac is worth it, when he's on the floor but, at the time of the deal, very risky proposition. Let's face it - every night is an adventure with Isaac and I don't know if that will ever change. Isaac's deal is team-friendly only because it had several options - presumably based on his injury history.
Fultz has been an awful deal.
Mo Wagner was fine for his value - but he'd better become a 2nd stringer at C. It's not about how much a guy is worth in a vacuum - you've got to consider the rest of the team before you run out of cap space.
Ingles was fine at the time but, maybe won't be back if ORL finds a better option. No way is he back in 26 unless it's a vet minimum or coaching gig. Same with Harris-fine value, good TO. Not for long as the team is changing.
WCJ is an excellent deal. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league - even if I don't think ORL is an ideal fit.
Cole's deal seemed team-friendly at the time...It's still not bad, but he's definitely stalled a bit on his upward trajectory.
There's a cap. You just can't pay every marginal player $10m-$20m and build a team (unless you want a team of $10m players). Paolo is a max guy. Franz isn't, but he'll be close. Overpaying Fultz and Isaac based on their upsides (at the time) was fine because nothing else was happening with our projected cap space. Now, Thank God, it's different and we have building blocks in place that must be worked around.
Assuming Suggs stays right where he is now (statistically, etc)...I think $20m, maybe $22m, is the razor's edge of good deal/bad deal. He could be great - maybe we'll see more in the coming weeks and, especially, playoffs (where contracts are born). If he's not a 17 ppg guy going forward, he shouldn't make more than $20, even with excellent defense. The cap would have to skyrocket for that % of the team's payroll to go for those attributes.
I don't know the set numbers...but they are set. IF Paolo's at $40 and Franz is at $30...those are good value and still half of the cap for the WHOLE team! You can go over, but you'd better be good because you might be looking at locking in your lineup for years...throwing around those $13-17m deals can no longer be done carelessly - even if the guy is worth it.
2020 called, they want their cap numbers back.
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AaronB wrote:Skybox wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
Fans probably do, but Magic lately have not. Fultz, WCJ and Isaac all got solid team favored deals in my opinion. If they can get Suggs to agree for around $20 mil per, I be happy.
Fultz and Isaac got $17m per each. Isaac is worth it, when he's on the floor but, at the time of the deal, very risky proposition. Let's face it - every night is an adventure with Isaac and I don't know if that will ever change. Isaac's deal is team-friendly only because it had several options - presumably based on his injury history.
Fultz has been an awful deal.
Mo Wagner was fine for his value - but he'd better become a 2nd stringer at C. It's not about how much a guy is worth in a vacuum - you've got to consider the rest of the team before you run out of cap space.
Ingles was fine at the time but, maybe won't be back if ORL finds a better option. No way is he back in 26 unless it's a vet minimum or coaching gig. Same with Harris-fine value, good TO. Not for long as the team is changing.
WCJ is an excellent deal. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league - even if I don't think ORL is an ideal fit.
Cole's deal seemed team-friendly at the time...It's still not bad, but he's definitely stalled a bit on his upward trajectory.
There's a cap. You just can't pay every marginal player $10m-$20m and build a team (unless you want a team of $10m players). Paolo is a max guy. Franz isn't, but he'll be close. Overpaying Fultz and Isaac based on their upsides (at the time) was fine because nothing else was happening with our projected cap space. Now, Thank God, it's different and we have building blocks in place that must be worked around.
Assuming Suggs stays right where he is now (statistically, etc)...I think $20m, maybe $22m, is the razor's edge of good deal/bad deal. He could be great - maybe we'll see more in the coming weeks and, especially, playoffs (where contracts are born). If he's not a 17 ppg guy going forward, he shouldn't make more than $20, even with excellent defense. The cap would have to skyrocket for that % of the team's payroll to go for those attributes.
I don't know the set numbers...but they are set. IF Paolo's at $40 and Franz is at $30...those are good value and still half of the cap for the WHOLE team! You can go over, but you'd better be good because you might be looking at locking in your lineup for years...throwing around those $13-17m deals can no longer be done carelessly - even if the guy is worth it.
2020 called, they want their cap numbers back.
give me the current ones - capologist. I said I didn't have them, educate us.
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Skybox wrote:AaronB wrote:Skybox wrote:
Fultz and Isaac got $17m per each. Isaac is worth it, when he's on the floor but, at the time of the deal, very risky proposition. Let's face it - every night is an adventure with Isaac and I don't know if that will ever change. Isaac's deal is team-friendly only because it had several options - presumably based on his injury history.
Fultz has been an awful deal.
Mo Wagner was fine for his value - but he'd better become a 2nd stringer at C. It's not about how much a guy is worth in a vacuum - you've got to consider the rest of the team before you run out of cap space.
Ingles was fine at the time but, maybe won't be back if ORL finds a better option. No way is he back in 26 unless it's a vet minimum or coaching gig. Same with Harris-fine value, good TO. Not for long as the team is changing.
WCJ is an excellent deal. I think he's one of the most underrated players in the league - even if I don't think ORL is an ideal fit.
Cole's deal seemed team-friendly at the time...It's still not bad, but he's definitely stalled a bit on his upward trajectory.
There's a cap. You just can't pay every marginal player $10m-$20m and build a team (unless you want a team of $10m players). Paolo is a max guy. Franz isn't, but he'll be close. Overpaying Fultz and Isaac based on their upsides (at the time) was fine because nothing else was happening with our projected cap space. Now, Thank God, it's different and we have building blocks in place that must be worked around.
Assuming Suggs stays right where he is now (statistically, etc)...I think $20m, maybe $22m, is the razor's edge of good deal/bad deal. He could be great - maybe we'll see more in the coming weeks and, especially, playoffs (where contracts are born). If he's not a 17 ppg guy going forward, he shouldn't make more than $20, even with excellent defense. The cap would have to skyrocket for that % of the team's payroll to go for those attributes.
I don't know the set numbers...but they are set. IF Paolo's at $40 and Franz is at $30...those are good value and still half of the cap for the WHOLE team! You can go over, but you'd better be good because you might be looking at locking in your lineup for years...throwing around those $13-17m deals can no longer be done carelessly - even if the guy is worth it.
2020 called, they want their cap numbers back.
give me the current ones - capologist. I said I didn't have them, educate us.
Think of what Poole Simons and Herro are making and add 20% and you will be in the ballpark.
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My thoughts on Suggs.
- He is an integral part of one of the best young cores of all time.
- His usage is already good enough to be a 3rd option.
- Fouls, injuries, and fatigue are holding back his MPG
- MPG are holding him back from being a captain obvious 3rd option.
- His floor seems to be an elite 3&D quality starter
- His ceiling is a two-way superstar
- He is an integral part of one of the best young cores of all time.
- His usage is already good enough to be a 3rd option.
- Fouls, injuries, and fatigue are holding back his MPG
- MPG are holding him back from being a captain obvious 3rd option.
- His floor seems to be an elite 3&D quality starter
- His ceiling is a two-way superstar
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AaronB wrote:Skybox wrote:AaronB wrote:
2020 called, they want their cap numbers back.
give me the current ones - capologist. I said I didn't have them, educate us.
Think of what Poole Simons and Herro are making and add 20% and you will be in the ballpark.
That’s a ridiculous way to manage your cap…just add for inflation? This is my point, you can’t just arbitrarily pay what you think guys are worth or you’ll have 9 guys on your roster when you hit the cap

Besides…Simons is double the points, double the assists, half the defense…and the least expensive.
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Skybox wrote:AaronB wrote:Skybox wrote:
give me the current ones - capologist. I said I didn't have them, educate us.
Think of what Poole Simons and Herro are making and add 20% and you will be in the ballpark.
That’s a ridiculous way to manage your cap…just add for inflation? This is my point, you can’t just arbitrarily pay what you think guys are worth or you’ll have 9 guys on your roster when you hit the cap![]()
Besides…Simons is double the points, double the assists, half the defense…and the least expensive.
The only thing ridiculous is you thinking that a union run operation like the nba would be managed any other way.
If you think Simons is half the defender of Suggs, you have never seen him play. He is like 1 twentieth the defender as Suggs. To call him a traffic cone gives traffic cones a bad name. The Blazers actually have a better record with him hurt.
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AaronB wrote:Skybox wrote:AaronB wrote:
Think of what Poole Simons and Herro are making and add 20% and you will be in the ballpark.
That’s a ridiculous way to manage your cap…just add for inflation? This is my point, you can’t just arbitrarily pay what you think guys are worth or you’ll have 9 guys on your roster when you hit the cap![]()
Besides…Simons is double the points, double the assists, half the defense…and the least expensive.
The only thing ridiculous is you thinking that a union run operation like the nba would be managed any other way.
If you think Simons is half the defender of Suggs, you have never seen him play. He is like 1 twentieth the defender as Suggs. To call him a traffic cone gives traffic cones a bad name. The Blazers actually have a better record with him hurt.
I don't care what Simmons earns and neither should you, lottery teams got money to burn.
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AaronB wrote:Skybox wrote:AaronB wrote:
Think of what Poole Simons and Herro are making and add 20% and you will be in the ballpark.
That’s a ridiculous way to manage your cap…just add for inflation? This is my point, you can’t just arbitrarily pay what you think guys are worth or you’ll have 9 guys on your roster when you hit the cap![]()
Besides…Simons is double the points, double the assists, half the defense…and the least expensive.
The only thing ridiculous is you thinking that a union run operation like the nba would be managed any other way.
If you think Simons is half the defender of Suggs, you have never seen him play. He is like 1 twentieth the defender as Suggs. To call him a traffic cone gives traffic cones a bad name. The Blazers actually have a better record with him hurt.
What on Earth does the players union have to do with what guys are paid beyond the minimum vet guarantees based on years in the league? Are you one of those guys that just arbitrarily blames “the damn unions” for any economic issues you don’t understand?
Simons defense must be awful or he’d be making $40m based on his offense. Defense is great but glorifying a locker room full of guards that can’t put up 10ppg is a very low ceiling for winning. Suggs is a great defender and his offense is just good…he and Simons would complete each other. I would consider them somewhat equivalent value, but you can’t simply dismiss scoring.
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Simons is literally rated the worst defender in the league.
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