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[Baddy Chuck]

Last night was a glimpse at Beas without multiple gravity guys feeding him repeated wide open corner threes

The night where he attempted double the normal amount of wide open threes?

I'm on board with if he's not making threes there's no point in playing him though, just like last night. He did have one of the biggest defensive plays which led to a fastbreak basket last night during the comeback though.

[GoldenAntlers]

Last night was a glimpse at Beas without multiple gravity guys feeding him repeated wide open corner threes

The night where he attempted double the normal amount of wide open threes?

I'm on board with if he's not making threes there's no point in playing him though, just like last night. He did have one of the biggest defensive plays which led to a fastbreak basket last night during the comeback though.

He also hit a major three going into the fourth quarter to swing momentum. He didn't have a great offensive game, but he certainly wasn't unplayable.

[KidA24]

Can you elaborate?

Redick was arguably the greatest college shooter people had ever seen until Steph came along at Davidson. I love AJ but c'mon, this is a bit of an insulting comparison to JJ.

The greatest college shooter I've ever seen in person is Rick Mount. Never translated to the NBA, because there wasn't a three point shot then.

Sometimes it's not just talent, but when you were born. That's why scoring records are pretty meaningless. Would JJ Redick even have played in the NBA without the three point shot? Doubtful.

https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2017/11/28/mackeys-top-50-no-5-rick-mount/793140001/

Bob Cousy couldn't dribble with his left hand. Of course JJ Redick would've played in the NBA.

[DingleJerry]

Redick was arguably the greatest college shooter people had ever seen until Steph came along at Davidson. I love AJ but c'mon, this is a bit of an insulting comparison to JJ.

The greatest college shooter I've ever seen in person is Rick Mount. Never translated to the NBA, because there wasn't a three point shot then.

Sometimes it's not just talent, but when you were born. That's why scoring records are pretty meaningless. Would JJ Redick even have played in the NBA without the three point shot? Doubtful.

https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2017/11/28/mackeys-top-50-no-5-rick-mount/793140001/

Bob Cousy couldn't dribble with his left hand. Of course JJ Redick would've played in the NBA.

JJ is also 6'4 so legit height for back then. And his biggest weakness in today's game (being less athletic) would be mitigated back then. My guess is if he could be transplanted to the early mid 70s he'd have been a legit star instead of a role player. For another Boston comparison name, think John Havlicek. Who scored 26K points in that era

[BigO]

The greatest college shooter I've ever seen in person is Rick Mount. Never translated to the NBA, because there wasn't a three point shot then.

Sometimes it's not just talent, but when you were born. That's why scoring records are pretty meaningless. Would JJ Redick even have played in the NBA without the three point shot? Doubtful.

https://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2017/11/28/mackeys-top-50-no-5-rick-mount/793140001/

Bob Cousy couldn't dribble with his left hand. Of course JJ Redick would've played in the NBA.

JJ is also 6'4 so legit height for back then. And his biggest weakness in today's game (being less athletic) would be mitigated back then. My guess is if he could be transplanted to the early mid 70s he'd have been a legit star instead of a role player. For another Boston comparison name, think John Havlicek. Who scored 26K points in that era

Comparing John Havlicek to JJ Redick is sacrilegious. Redick was a one trick pony. John Havlicek could do it all-defense, ball handling, shooting, passing, et al. Trust me, this comparison is beyond the pale.

Redick would never have been a star in the old NBA and if he made a roster, he would be less valuable because there wasn't a three point line. Let Hondo Havlicek rest in peace. Flyn Robinson would be a better comparison.

[HKPackFan]

107/98/85/99/97/106 last 6 games.


Bucks defense looks legit.

You can argue there's some cream puff schedule...

Wolves, 76ers(no embiid), hornets, hornets, bulls, clippers (b2b).


But look at mid/late Dec with this not so tough schedule:

Bulls:129/pacers 126/pistons 114/rockets 119/spurs 119/magic 114.

This is a completely different Team. Does not look anything like that December team.

[soxperry]

107/98/85/99/97/106


Bucks defense looks legit.

let's see if it holds up when pace is controlled for



pretty damn good!

[soxperry]

Doc has coached 17 games for us now and we have been below average in defensive points per possession only 4 times.

at Portland
at Utah
vs. Minn with Dame/Khris out
vs. Mia on that b2b

[HKPackFan]

I don't watch this stuff much at all anymore, but I was curious as someone actually picked giannis.

And he's a lone opinion

https://youtu.be/btywLWoG06g?si=tjJCDxZI60dOh9Km

[DingleJerry]

Bob Cousy couldn't dribble with his left hand. Of course JJ Redick would've played in the NBA.

JJ is also 6'4 so legit height for back then. And his biggest weakness in today's game (being less athletic) would be mitigated back then. My guess is if he could be transplanted to the early mid 70s he'd have been a legit star instead of a role player. For another Boston comparison name, think John Havlicek. Who scored 26K points in that era

Comparing John Havlicek to JJ Redick is sacrilegious. Redick was a one trick pony. John Havlicek could do it all-defense, ball handling, shooting, passing, et al. Trust me, this comparison is beyond the pale.

Redick would never have been a star in the old NBA and if he made a roster, he would be less valuable because there wasn't a three point line. Let Hondo Havlicek rest in peace. Flyn Robinson would be a better comparison.

Ehh, I think you probably underestimate the difference in talent/athleticism/skill of the league over 40-50 years. Like would Redick have had to be one trick pony back then? I don't think so. Could Havlicek been 'the man' in today's NBA? I don't think so. And I probably overestimate the difference in all that. Most of the guys in the league back then probably couldn't even make the league now. And guys we mock as bums now would crap all over the league back then.

Honestly, if I had to bet money if you could just time drop prime age Redick into 1970 or whatever I'd guess he'd be a better player than Havlicek or at least be in the same ballpark. Doesn't mean Havlicek doesn't deserve all the praise he can get (especially since he's largely overlooked and forgotten) as really the best way to judge players is relative to their era/opponents and obviously Havlicek kicks the crap out of JJ in that discussion. And he should be remembered as an all time great for that reason, and JJ should be rightly viewed as just a good role player as well. All in all, this just exemplifies how hard and overall pointless it is to compare drastically different times/eras.

[ShootingtheJ]

I totally accept and understand the position that Green can never be as good as Redick, and honestly who knows what Redick would look like if you dropped him at age 30 into this NBA, but Green is establishing himself and I don't think there's any reason to put a lid on what he can accomplish. Redick had a great career, but he's not a HoFer or anything. His career is totally attainable for any great shooter with a good head on his shoulders and moderate footspeed.

Agree. Green doesn't need to be the offensive player Redick was, because Green can be a worthwhile defender, something that Redick wasn't.

It's not surprising that Swanson isn't on the Green bandwagon yet, as he wanted to cut Green in training camp for Reggie Bullock. He'll get there though.

A year ago I wasn't that into Green, but the physical improvements he made over the offseason opened my eyes to him.

[ShootingtheJ]

Last night was a glimpse at Beas without multiple gravity guys feeding him repeated wide open corner threes

The night where he attempted double the normal amount of wide open threes?

I'm on board with if he's not making threes there's no point in playing him though, just like last night. He did have one of the biggest defensive plays which led to a fastbreak basket last night during the comeback though.

I think there's something wonky with those wide open and open 3 stats, with how they're compiled. Seems like synergy needs some tweaking. Anyone sense see that? Doesn't seem to match the eye test.

[Baddy Chuck]

Last night was a glimpse at Beas without multiple gravity guys feeding him repeated wide open corner threes

The night where he attempted double the normal amount of wide open threes?

I'm on board with if he's not making threes there's no point in playing him though, just like last night. He did have one of the biggest defensive plays which led to a fastbreak basket last night during the comeback though.

I think there's something honky with those wide open and open 3 stats, with how they're compiled. Seems like synergy needs some tweaking. Anyone sense see that? Doesn't seem to match the eye test.

I don't think they're perfect but I certainly think they have a little more credence than the eye test of someone who has made it their mission in life to will Malik Beasley being a worthless player into existence.







I mean assuming these are the "wide open" shots that were tracked the only questionable one was really the one where Norman Powell ran out Pat Connaughton style to contest a shot that Beasley was already in his shooting motion when Powell was still standing under the basket.

[Matches Malone]

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Does Supreme get royalties from this?

[Frank Nova]

Dame only needs 6 more 3s to pass Reggie Miller on the all time total 3PM list to move from #5 to #4. So, that’s pretty sweet.

[ShootingtheJ]

The night where he attempted double the normal amount of wide open threes?

I'm on board with if he's not making threes there's no point in playing him though, just like last night. He did have one of the biggest defensive plays which led to a fastbreak basket last night during the comeback though.

I think there's something honky with those wide open and open 3 stats, with how they're compiled. Seems like synergy needs some tweaking. Anyone sense see that? Doesn't seem to match the eye test.

I don't think they're perfect but I certainly think they have a little more credence than the eye test of someone who has made it their mission in life to will Malik Beasley being a worthless player into existence.







I mean assuming these are the "wide open" shots that were tracked the only questionable one was really the one where Norman Powell ran out Pat Connaughton style to contest a shot that Beasley was already in his shooting motion when Powell was still standing under the basket.

Thanks for the videos. BTW, what did you think of Portis in this game?

[Baddy Chuck]

Thanks for the videos. BTW, what did you think of Portis in this game?

Good? I think what you don't understand is that most fans of their favorite teams aren't actually upset when a player plays well for them, as shocking to you as that may seem I know.

[ShootingtheJ]

Thanks for the videos. BTW, what did you think of Portis in this game?

Good? I think what you don't understand is that most fans of their favorite teams aren't actually upset when a player plays well for them, as shocking to you as that may seem I know.

Excellent. Just hadn't seen you give BigO his flowers about how elite Bobby had been lately.

Most Bucks have seen an uptick since the coaching change.

[Baddy Chuck]

Thanks for the videos. BTW, what did you think of Portis in this game?

Good? I think what you don't understand is that most fans of their favorite teams aren't actually upset when a player plays well for them, as shocking to you as that may seem I know.

Excellent. Just hadn't seen you give BigO his flowers about how elite Bobby had been lately.

Most Bucks have seen an uptick since the coaching change.

What am I giving him flowers for? That rebounds = defense? I still certainly think Bobby is not a good defender. Am I supposed to feel bad about saying I'd trade him because I thought it could improve our team? Are you dishing out apology letters too because you were posting more "Bobby for a random first to move elsewhere to improve the team" than just about anybody here?

Also, and I cannot stress this enough, you are one of the only people here who view preconceived notions/their outcomes and what not as like "wins and losses" on your belt regarding our players so having the need to "congratulate" someone on their "win" just is not even on my mind. I'm not going to root for Bobby Portis less because I would have traded him at this deadline. He'll still have dumb Bobby moments that I'll jeer at. He'll still have great BOBBY! games that I'll cheer for him like I have the last 4 years he's been here. Him having a good game, or a great stretch, isn't anything new that we've seen with him. If this is the game you want to play though, how bout this board who hasn't spent the last half the season belittling every single thing Malik Beasley has done get their flowers from you! We did it guys! We got a dub! Maybe we get some retroactive Brook Lopez or PJ Tucker W's too! Victory royale!

[BUCKnation]

I was killing beas as much as anyone in the game thread, but he was pretty good outside of just bricking wide open shots. It was one of his better defensive game.

He's hilariously bad in the open court in transition, but I don't think his shot profile was much different than normal. The issue is more that we needed him to make shots more than usual with Giannis out and he didn't come through. Feels like he shoots 10% in games without one of Dame or Giannis.