Wembanyama. I'm concerned

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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#781 » by mingus » Mon Mar 4, 2024 9:49 pm

docholliday99 wrote:I can't recall a player that has come in with the level of hype that Wemby has had and hasn't crumbled under the weight. Just looking at his averages per month, you can see the growth and you can see him starting to get up to the speed of the NBA game. It reminds me of watching Jordan his first year and then Lebron, just can't really fathom the level of dominance they were bringing on both ends of the court; and what Wemby is doing is on that level. TBH, I'm at a bit of a loss to even describe it accurately without sounding like a Stan, I certainly didn't believe he would be doing what he's doing so quickly. Can you Imagine what his numbers would look like if he actually played on a good team or even with a true PG?

Instead of tearing it down, why not sit back and just enjoy watching what he's doing?

Oct - 4 gp, 27.2 mpg, 16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.5 spg, 2.3 bpg, 46/26.3/70
Nov - 14 gp, 30.8 mpg, 20.1 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.3 spg, 2.9 bpg, 43.3/27.3/87.5
Dec - 10 gp, 28.6 mpg, 18.1 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.1 spg, 3.8 bpg, 45.3/33.3/73.3
Jan - 14 gp, 26.7 mpg, 24.0 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3.3 apg, 0.9 spg, 3.3 bpg, 50.6/32.4/83.1
Feb - 12 gp, 28.9 mpg, 21.3 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 4.5 apg, 2.0 spg, 3.9 bpg, 47.4/41.3/83.1


First sentence is very true.

If you have been following Wemby, like actually watching the games, you can clearly see how the game has slowed down for him, how much more comfortable he’s gotten out there.

There’s no doubt all the crazy hype is going to affect a player. A kid. He’s 20 yrs old.

This whole thread was premature & made by someone…who apparently has never had performance anxiety of any kind…& can’t wrap their mind around a 19 yr old kid needing time to adjust to everything. But anyone with eyes could see how special he was even when he was adjusting.

And he’s still adjusting.

Kid is clearly ridiculous, & is tracking to be on a level of elite both offensively & defensively that only a handful of players can claim ever, if even that.
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#782 » by LAvision » Mon Mar 4, 2024 10:03 pm

OP would have better off ignoring this thread. What an embarrassing double down. :lol:
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#783 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Mon Mar 4, 2024 11:03 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:
hickfromfrenchlick wrote:
Miami_Lux wrote:
I see what we are doing. I'll make sure to post his stats over an 8 game downswing. Good job.


Can you point to a bust/disappointing player who put up those kinds of stats over an 8-game stretch?

Actually, can you point to any player who put up those kinds of stats over an 8-game stretch?


I never said he was going to be a bust. Please read mmy OP again


That's why I wrote "/disappointing player." Please read my post again.

You tried to throw cold water on the notion he'll live up to his billing and and then--after this dude showed you he can do superhuman things--you decided to quadruple down rather than let this thread die a quiet death. Everybody's entitled to a bad take, but you've got to own yours, dude!
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#784 » by tcheco » Tue Mar 5, 2024 12:49 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:
tcheco wrote:
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How about the last 30:
Mpg 27.6
PPG: 23.2
FG% 50
3pt% 38
FT% 84.5
TS% 61
RPG: 9.9
APG: 4
STL 1.3
BLK 3.7

Feel free to post next time Wemby has a bad 30 game stretch : )


It's hard to deal with people that just don't want to be called out for being wrong. They move the posts to try and prove they are not wrong instead of looking at things objectively and admitting defeat


I already said that Wemby has improved his efficiency. My original post had other concerns that were not centered around his efficiency. Yes his stats are looking great right now.

But preemptively I will do the walk of shame through the town square and repent on my blasphemous actions to have concerns about Wemby. I will be a renewed man no doubt.

And soon I will join the Wemby stan group on RealGM and hail our new and victorious leader with all the glory he deserves.

Should the Spurs go on an epic 3-game winning streak there is no doubt in my mind Wemby will be the next 7ft4 Michael Jordan


Your concerns were his ceiling and limitations as an offensive players because of shooting and handles, creating a thread about it 1 quarter into his rookie season, one quarter of his rookie season. Then you complain about people using small samples sizes data to prove you worried for nothing, and you get frustraded saying that everyone just hype him up to be a big michael jordan?

Just grow up. I understand this is a basketball forum, and we want to comment on things as much as we can, but admiting that creating a thread called WEMBY I'm CONCERNED when you did and getting called out for it is pretty valid. We all want to be the first ones to call out a bust or a star before they happen, but we need to eat crow when we are wrong.

Oh, and related to your original post, you compared wemby offensively as Porzingis, but wemby as a rookie has a TS% equal to Kristaps career average. As a rookie.
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Post#785 » by Ssj16 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 12:59 pm

tcheco wrote:Who knew that a HOF coach knows better how to handle an elite prospect compared to an average realgm user. That's was quite a surprise


Meh, Pop still deserves criticism for how he was running the Spurs at the start of the season the same way it took Kerr way to long to use his young guys.

Even tho Pop is arguably the greatest coach of all time, he's capable of making mistakes too.
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Post#786 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Tue Mar 5, 2024 1:16 pm

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tcheco wrote:Who knew that a HOF coach knows better how to handle an elite prospect compared to an average realgm user. That's was quite a surprise


Meh, Pop still deserves criticism for how he was running the Spurs at the start of the season the same way it took Kerr way to long to use his young guys.

Even tho Pop is arguably the greatest coach of all time, he's capable of making mistakes too.


who are we to say he deserved criticism? If his priority was development, how can we from the outside be so sure that thing didn't work in the best way?
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Post#787 » by tcheco » Tue Mar 5, 2024 1:54 pm

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tcheco wrote:Who knew that a HOF coach knows better how to handle an elite prospect compared to an average realgm user. That's was quite a surprise


Meh, Pop still deserves criticism for how he was running the Spurs at the start of the season the same way it took Kerr way to long to use his young guys.

Even tho Pop is arguably the greatest coach of all time, he's capable of making mistakes too.


How do you got to the conclusion the way he was running the team at the start of the season was incorrect? I can't honestly, this is way out of my league of understanding how to develop an young team works out. Let them make mistakes is good? for how long? making them play to their strengths from day one? Will that lead them to develop their lesser skills? I don't know. Watch Ben Simmons, never asked to shoot, never learned that, is it because of bad coaching? at the time people claimed he was right for doing what he was good at. Would it have been different? Can't say.
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Post#788 » by Special_Puppy » Tue Mar 5, 2024 2:00 pm

Wembanyama, I’m concerned for the rest of the league
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Post#789 » by Gusto1903 » Tue Mar 5, 2024 2:31 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:
DwayneSchintzus wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Wembanyama last 8 games

30.4mpg
24.6ppg (on 62.6 TS%)
11.8rpg
5.4apg
2.4spg
5.4bpg
3.3topg
+47


Been on an absolute tear.


what about his three point shooting percentage?


I see what we are doing. I'll make sure to post his stats over an 8 game downswing. Good job.




You already did to start this thread lol
And you certainly speak about his stats when you say "lets look at the numbers" in your first sentence.

You got exposed dude. Wemby is awesome and will most probably be next guy to record a Quadruple Double. (can see him put it up multiple times aswell). Dude he leads the rookies in almost every stat and is in DPOY contention despite his team being last in the west.

Acknowledge greatness, the guy is only 19
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Post#790 » by Godymas » Tue Mar 5, 2024 3:53 pm

i have no clue why this isn't stickied
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Post#791 » by tsherkin » Tue Mar 5, 2024 4:05 pm

Godymas wrote:i have no clue why this isn't stickied


Likely because there is already a rookies thread. And a season discussion thread. It would be mildly redundant as a sticky.
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Post#792 » by Miami_Lux » Wed Mar 6, 2024 12:06 pm

The 4th quarter against the Rockets is a good example why I m not 100% sure on Wemby's potential as a generational offensive talent. Yes he does incredible highlight reels but he still lacks a go-to-move and tends to disappear in close games down the stretch. I d like to see him be more aggressive and consistent in these moments.
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Post#793 » by Bolivar » Wed Mar 6, 2024 12:43 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:The 4th quarter against the Rockets is a good example why I m not 100% sure on Wemby's potential as a generational offensive talent. Yes he does incredible highlight reels but he still lacks a go-to-move and tends to disappear in close games down the stretch. I d like to see him be more aggressive and consistent in these moments.


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Post#794 » by Chokic » Wed Mar 6, 2024 12:55 pm

Ssj16 wrote:
tcheco wrote:Who knew that a HOF coach knows better how to handle an elite prospect compared to an average realgm user. That's was quite a surprise


Meh, Pop still deserves criticism for how he was running the Spurs at the start of the season the same way it took Kerr way to long to use his young guys.

Even tho Pop is arguably the greatest coach of all time, he's capable of making mistakes too.



Exactly. Wemby is flourishing in spite of pop not bc of pop. Which is a sign of a truly great player. You are great regardless of unfavorable circumstances.
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Post#795 » by tsherkin » Wed Mar 6, 2024 1:21 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:The 4th quarter against the Rockets is a good example why I m not 100% sure on Wemby's potential as a generational offensive talent. Yes he does incredible highlight reels but he still lacks a go-to-move and tends to disappear in close games down the stretch. I d like to see him be more aggressive and consistent in these moments.


This... isn't a valid criticism of a 20 year-old rookie.
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Post#796 » by hardenASG13 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 1:49 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Miami_Lux wrote:The 4th quarter against the Rockets is a good example why I m not 100% sure on Wemby's potential as a generational offensive talent. Yes he does incredible highlight reels but he still lacks a go-to-move and tends to disappear in close games down the stretch. I d like to see him be more aggressive and consistent in these moments.


This... isn't a valid criticism of a 20 year-old rookie.


He tends to disappear in close games down the stretch? Not that they are in a ton of close games, but he’s generally been great in them down the stretch when they are from what I’ve seen. I agree he doesn’t have a go to move yet, but that will come when he gets a stronger base near the basket. And when he does it’s over.
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Post#797 » by peZt » Wed Mar 6, 2024 2:03 pm

"disappear in close games down the stretch" is the biggest lie you could say about Wemby. Like part of what makes him so special is that he has been so clutch already in his rookie season.

And why did I know that you'd post immediately after Wemby had his first bad game in months?
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Post#798 » by tsherkin » Wed Mar 6, 2024 2:06 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:He tends to disappear in close games down the stretch?


That's statistically untrue, exactly.
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Post#799 » by Rust_Cohle » Wed Mar 6, 2024 2:09 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:The 4th quarter against the Rockets is a good example why I m not 100% sure on Wemby's potential as a generational offensive talent. Yes he does incredible highlight reels but he still lacks a go-to-move and tends to disappear in close games down the stretch. I d like to see him be more aggressive and consistent in these moments.


He’s a rookie, this is the worst he will ever be and saying he isn’t clutch when he’s one of the most clutch rookies in the entire league shows how little you have actually seen him play. He’s top 45 for clutch stats and has had SEVERAL games where he’s carried the spurs late in fourth quarters:

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php
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Post#800 » by Iwasawitness » Wed Mar 6, 2024 2:38 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:The 4th quarter against the Rockets is a good example why I m not 100% sure on Wemby's potential as a generational offensive talent. Yes he does incredible highlight reels but he still lacks a go-to-move and tends to disappear in close games down the stretch. I d like to see him be more aggressive and consistent in these moments.


I think it's time to let this one go man. Even if what you're saying here is valid (and to an extent, it is), Wemby has still shown us way too much to have legitimate concerns about his development as a player. What he's been doing has been insane, and he's already shown far greater defensive impact than any rookie we've ever seen. Mobley was getting lots of praise and hype for how terrific he was defensively as a rookie and what Wemby's been doing is putting that to shame. Wemby is the next big thing, and as long as he's able to stay healthy, he's the future of this league.

THAT is the big thing here. Not what he's capable of doing on the court, but rather, whether or not he can stay on it. My stance has not changed on this and it probably wont for a while. I want to see Wemby stay healthy. That to me is the only thing that can hold him back. Otherwise, he's got a HOF worthy career ahead of him.
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