Pacers Pick Tracking (Update: #19 officially)

[SpezNc]

Cmon Grizz Damn it!

A 76ers win is still good for the Pacers pick as Indiana is competing with Knicks, 76ers, Miami, Orlando for three spots to avoid the play in.

Two teams between NYK, 76ers, Miami, Orlando and Indiana should be in the play in .


A Memphis win could make the race to #6 worse more interesting

[RoteSchroder]

Yeah, I mentioned that he regressed since Jan. But there are also highs and lows in a season and there is also a new player on the team. Part of it is injuries, but we don't know how much right now. His overall season averages now are close to his Indiana career averages. Regardless I have doubts about Indiana as a whole, but they are in a significantly weaker conference.

Either way - people are questioning how Siakam did not make them better when the reason IND was stagnated or regressed is quite clearly due to Haliburton going from averaging 25/13 to start the year and is now at 14/9. Not sure many teams can handle their stud creating close to 20 less PPG

What about the Raptors? Has their been a major drop off after losing a max level offensive player?

If your team can replace your offense, then your impact isn't really felt if you're a non-impact player on D or don't have great intangibles. Without Poeltl, we're 2-10 this season for example, because we have no one who can replace his interior defense.

For Indiana, you'd expect a 2 time all-NBA max player to have a little more impact when he replaced a negative player in Brown, even without Haliburton. If Haliburton's healthy, maybe they go back to being the #1 offense in the league, but they can already achieve that without Siakam. So the question is has their defense improved enough for them to get past being a 0.58 win team? (24-17 before the Siakam trade). They need to get to top 3 in the East for Siakam to be worth the max.

What Indiana can also do is swap their young offensive talent for two-way defensive players. Trading young assets for someone like Jimmy Butler in the off-season and getting another high level 3 + D player probably does the trick. However, there aren't that many two way stars available in the league.

[YogurtProducer]

Yeah, I mentioned that he regressed since Jan. But there are also highs and lows in a season and there is also a new player on the team. Part of it is injuries, but we don't know how much right now. His overall season averages now are close to his Indiana career averages. Regardless I have doubts about Indiana as a whole, but they are in a significantly weaker conference.

Either way - people are questioning how Siakam did not make them better when the reason IND was stagnated or regressed is quite clearly due to Haliburton going from averaging 25/13 to start the year and is now at 14/9. Not sure many teams can handle their stud creating close to 20 less PPG

What about the Raptors? Has their been a major drop off after losing a max level offensive player?

If your team can replace your offense, then your impact isn't really felt if you're a non-impact player on D or don't have great intangibles. Without Poeltl, we're 2-10 this season for example, because we have no one who can replace his interior defense.

For Indiana, you'd expect a 2 time all-NBA max player to have a little more impact when he replaced a negative player in Brown, even without Haliburton. If Haliburton's healthy, maybe they go back to being the #1 offense in the league, but they can already achieve that without Siakam. So the question is has their defense improved enough for them to get past being a 0.58 win team? (24-17 before the Siakam trade). They need to get to top 3 in the East for Siakam to be worth the max.

What Indiana can also do is swap their young offensive talent for two-way defensive players. Trading young assets for someone like Jimmy Butler in the off-season and getting another high level 3 + D player probably does the trick. However, there aren't that many two way stars available in the league.

5-17 since the Siakam trade. 18-22 prior. To say we have not had a major drop off is just kind of ignoring reality

The gap between Brown and Siakam is not as big as the gap is between Haliburton playing like an all-nba 1st team PG and whatever it is he is right now. Not to mention they gave up Heild for pretty much nothing at the deadline for some reason.

[RoteSchroder]

5-17 since the Siakam trade. 18-22 prior. To say we have not had a major drop off is just kind of ignoring reality

The gap between Brown and Siakam is not as big as the gap is between Haliburton playing like an all-nba 1st team PG and whatever it is he is right now. Not to mention they gave up Heild for pretty much nothing at the deadline for some reason.

fully healthy

A chunk of those games Poeltl has been out. We're 2-10 without Poeltl. Seems like you're ignoring reality.

If you haven't noticed, we've hit the injury bug. If you don't include injuries to RJ/Scottie/Poeltl (3 key starters) we're 6-5 post-Siakam.

Siakam is the 2nd worst rim protector in the league among rotation bigs, worst PF in the league. And he's taking up a pretty vital position that's supposed to facilitate in contesting shots at the rim.

[WuTang_CMB]

good win by Golden state

need them and Lakers , Dallas to keep winning

[MiamiSPX]

Yeah, I mentioned that he regressed since Jan. But there are also highs and lows in a season and there is also a new player on the team. Part of it is injuries, but we don't know how much right now. His overall season averages now are close to his Indiana career averages. Regardless I have doubts about Indiana as a whole, but they are in a significantly weaker conference.

Either way - people are questioning how Siakam did not make them better when the reason IND was stagnated or regressed is quite clearly due to Haliburton going from averaging 25/13 to start the year and is now at 14/9. Not sure many teams can handle their stud creating close to 20 less PPG

What about the Raptors? Has their been a major drop off after losing a max level offensive player?

If your team can replace your offense, then your impact isn't really felt if you're a non-impact player on D or don't have great intangibles. Without Poeltl, we're 2-10 this season for example, because we have no one who can replace his interior defense.

For Indiana, you'd expect a 2 time all-NBA max player to have a little more impact when he replaced a negative player in Brown, even without Haliburton. If Haliburton's healthy, maybe they go back to being the #1 offense in the league, but they can already achieve that without Siakam. So the question is has their defense improved enough for them to get past being a 0.58 win team? (24-17 before the Siakam trade). They need to get to top 3 in the East for Siakam to be worth the max.

Pretty much this. I get that Haliburton is injured, and maybe it's just me, but I would expect a bit more team success if I'm about to hand the guy the 4th richest total contract in NBA history. I guess $250 million doesn't get what it used to lol.

Anyway, I have no dog in this fight because at the end of the day the only guy that matters, Masai, agreed with those of us who said Siakam isn't worth that max contract.

[MiamiSPX]

Either way - people are questioning how Siakam did not make them better when the reason IND was stagnated or regressed is quite clearly due to Haliburton going from averaging 25/13 to start the year and is now at 14/9. Not sure many teams can handle their stud creating close to 20 less PPG

What about the Raptors? Has their been a major drop off after losing a max level offensive player?

If your team can replace your offense, then your impact isn't really felt if you're a non-impact player on D or don't have great intangibles. Without Poeltl, we're 2-10 this season for example, because we have no one who can replace his interior defense.

For Indiana, you'd expect a 2 time all-NBA max player to have a little more impact when he replaced a negative player in Brown, even without Haliburton. If Haliburton's healthy, maybe they go back to being the #1 offense in the league, but they can already achieve that without Siakam. So the question is has their defense improved enough for them to get past being a 0.58 win team? (24-17 before the Siakam trade). They need to get to top 3 in the East for Siakam to be worth the max.

What Indiana can also do is swap their young offensive talent for two-way defensive players. Trading young assets for someone like Jimmy Butler in the off-season and getting another high level 3 + D player probably does the trick. However, there aren't that many two way stars available in the league.

5-17 since the Siakam trade. 18-22 prior. To say we have not had a major drop off is just kind of ignoring reality

The gap between Brown and Siakam is not as big as the gap is between Haliburton playing like an all-nba 1st team PG and whatever it is he is right now. Not to mention they gave up Heild for pretty much nothing at the deadline for some reason.

The Raptors were 15-24 with Siakam this season, and are 8-15 without him.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/toronto-raptors-record-with-pascal-siakam-this-season

[YogurtProducer]

What about the Raptors? Has their been a major drop off after losing a max level offensive player?

If your team can replace your offense, then your impact isn't really felt if you're a non-impact player on D or don't have great intangibles. Without Poeltl, we're 2-10 this season for example, because we have no one who can replace his interior defense.

For Indiana, you'd expect a 2 time all-NBA max player to have a little more impact when he replaced a negative player in Brown, even without Haliburton. If Haliburton's healthy, maybe they go back to being the #1 offense in the league, but they can already achieve that without Siakam. So the question is has their defense improved enough for them to get past being a 0.58 win team? (24-17 before the Siakam trade). They need to get to top 3 in the East for Siakam to be worth the max.

What Indiana can also do is swap their young offensive talent for two-way defensive players. Trading young assets for someone like Jimmy Butler in the off-season and getting another high level 3 + D player probably does the trick. However, there aren't that many two way stars available in the league.

5-17 since the Siakam trade. 18-22 prior. To say we have not had a major drop off is just kind of ignoring reality

The gap between Brown and Siakam is not as big as the gap is between Haliburton playing like an all-nba 1st team PG and whatever it is he is right now. Not to mention they gave up Heild for pretty much nothing at the deadline for some reason.

The Raptors were 15-24 with Siakam this season, and are 8-15 without him.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/toronto-raptors-record-with-pascal-siakam-this-season

Yeah I don’t know what I was looking at before.

Still - a definite drop off

[Tha Cynic]

5-17 since the Siakam trade. 18-22 prior. To say we have not had a major drop off is just kind of ignoring reality

The gap between Brown and Siakam is not as big as the gap is between Haliburton playing like an all-nba 1st team PG and whatever it is he is right now. Not to mention they gave up Heild for pretty much nothing at the deadline for some reason.

The Raptors were 15-24 with Siakam this season, and are 8-15 without him.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/toronto-raptors-record-with-pascal-siakam-this-season

Yeah I don’t know what I was looking at before.

Still - a definite drop off

Try again? 8-15 without Siakam and 15-24 with.

I have consistently said here that imo Siakam is a 3rd option on a good team. Siakam is one of my favourite Raptors of all time, but we definitely overrated what he was as an overall impact type of player on the Raptors. We also underrated what OG did here.

But anyway, Indiana is one legit superstar from being a contender as they have the second and third best guys in place and have the young players to trade for a superstar, but here's hoping they stumble into the playoffs.

[Statistician MK]

Still - a definite drop off

A) "15-24" + Siakam + future 2nd round pick
B) "8-15" + Bruce Brown + Nwora + three 1st round picks

YogurtProducer... A or B?:)

[MiamiSPX]

The Raptors were 15-24 with Siakam this season, and are 8-15 without him.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/toronto-raptors-record-with-pascal-siakam-this-season

Yeah I don’t know what I was looking at before.

Still - a definite drop off

Try again? 8-15 without Siakam and 15-24 with.

I have consistently said here that imo Siakam is a 3rd option on a good team. Siakam is one of my favourite Raptors of all time, but we definitely overrated what he was as an overall impact type of player on the Raptors. We also underrated what OG did here.

But anyway, Indiana is one legit superstar from being a contender as they have the second and third best guys in place and have the young players to trade for a superstar, but here's hoping they stumble into the playoffs.

Well, if we can use the Haliburton injury excuse for Indy, why can't we use the same for the Raps?

Post-Siakam trade:

Poeltl has missed 9 games.
RJ has missed 6 games.
IQ has missed 4 games.
Barnes has missed 2.5 games.

Of the 12 players the Raps used last game against the Pels, only 2 were with the team on Dec 31st (Dick and GTJ). Half of them won't even be with the team next season and were only playing because we're trying to desperately find overlooked, semi-young, cheap talent lol.

Are we better now without Siakam? Of course not. But we were pretty garbage with him, and we continue to be garbage without him.

[Basketball_Jones]

5-17 since the Siakam trade. 18-22 prior. To say we have not had a major drop off is just kind of ignoring reality

The gap between Brown and Siakam is not as big as the gap is between Haliburton playing like an all-nba 1st team PG and whatever it is he is right now. Not to mention they gave up Heild for pretty much nothing at the deadline for some reason.

fully healthy

A chunk of those games Poeltl has been out. We're 2-10 without Poeltl. Seems like you're ignoring reality.

If you haven't noticed, we've hit the injury bug. If you don't include injuries to RJ/Scottie/Poeltl (3 key starters) we're 6-5 post-Siakam.

Siakam is the 2nd worst rim protector in the league among rotation bigs, worst PF in the league. And he's taking up a pretty vital position that's supposed to facilitate in contesting shots at the rim.

I’ve felt Siakam and Scottie should have switched positions because Pascal just provides very little defense around the basket. The reach and wingspan do nothing.

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps weren't good with or without Siakam. Enough of this sugarcoat nonsense. We had to reboot else we would be in an even worse spot with siakam at a 40-50M clip in a tougher CBA

[YogurtProducer]

Still - a definite drop off

A) "15-24" + Siakam + future 2nd round pick
B) "8-15" + Bruce Brown + Nwora + three 1st round picks

YogurtProducer... A or B?:)

Obviously depends on team. I feel like both teams win there between IND and TOR however IND probably in hindsight does not do it if they knew Hali was gonna fall off a cliff.

[PD28]

Comon Nets and Wolves - do us a solid tonight plz

[metafisical]

Nets are so garbage. How could u be losing to the Pistons

[Statistician MK]

I'm wathing the Pacers, not the Raptors!:)

[Psubs]

Comon Nets and Wolves - do us a solid tonight plz

No Towns, no problem!

[Syd-TK3]

I love you Ant Edwards

[MainEvent]

Edwards to the moon with the game sealing block