Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright

[Daffy]

So since Miami's record without Herro can be ignored since Butler's is nearly the same, I'll be posting some better stats.

So this year, for TS% for players scoring 20+ ppg there are 55 players who qualify with 20+ games played this year.

Miami has 3 players now in that list
#6 Butler at .637
#41 Bam at .572 (low for his .599 career average)
#53 Herro at .549 (low for his .556 career average)

The 2 below Herro.
#54 Kuzma
#55 Cam Thomas

If you sort that same list by calculated ORTG Herro is still #53 but ahead of Cam Thomas and Wembanyama! Butler ends up being #3 and Bam #39.

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|Player                 |Team|Games|MPG |FGA |PPG |APG |TOV|2PT% |3pt% |FT%  |TSPCT|ORTG|DRTG|NetRating|
+-----------------------+----+-----+----+----+----+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Kristaps Porziņģis     |BOS |45   |29.7|13  |20.4|2   |1.6|0.62 |0.378|0.861|0.66 |129 |109 |20       |
|Giannis Antetokounmpo  |MIL |59   |34.9|18.6|30.8|6.3 |3.4|0.652|0.301|0.661|0.657|127 |112 |15       |
|Nikola Jokić           |DEN |60   |34.2|17.6|25.9|9.2 |3  |0.627|0.35 |0.818|0.648|131 |109 |22       |
|Shai Gilgeous-Alexander|OKC |60   |34.4|20.1|31.1|6.5 |2.2|0.579|0.383|0.882|0.647|131 |110 |21       |
|Joel Embiid            |PHI |34   |34  |22.2|35.3|5.7 |3.7|0.562|0.366|0.883|0.645|126 |110 |16       |
|Jimmy Butler           |MIA |42   |34  |13.5|21.9|4.8 |1.7|0.517|0.454|0.858|0.637|131 |114 |17       |
|Lauri Markkanen        |UTA |51   |32.9|16  |23.1|2   |1.3|0.565|0.401|0.888|0.634|129 |119 |10       |
|Kevin Durant           |PHO |55   |37.3|19.3|27.9|5.5 |3.3|0.562|0.42 |0.855|0.63 |120 |115 |5        |
|Karl-Anthony Towns     |MIN |60   |32.8|15.5|22.1|3   |2.8|0.55 |0.423|0.874|0.628|116 |108 |8        |
|Kawhi Leonard          |LAC |55   |34.4|17.3|24  |3.7 |1.7|0.56 |0.43 |0.888|0.626|125 |113 |12       |
|Luka Dončić            |DAL |54   |37.6|23.8|34.6|9.8 |3.9|0.585|0.378|0.785|0.623|123 |115 |8        |
|Anthony Davis          |LAL |59   |35.7|17  |24.9|3.6 |2  |0.582|0.264|0.815|0.622|124 |110 |14       |
|Stephen Curry          |GSW |57   |32.9|19.8|27.1|5   |3  |0.519|0.407|0.922|0.62 |119 |118 |1        |
|LeBron James           |LAL |55   |35  |18.1|25.2|7.9 |3.2|0.577|0.407|0.732|0.615|118 |115 |3        |
|RJ Barrett             |TOR |25   |33.4|14.6|20.5|3.8 |2.2|0.608|0.406|0.574|0.614|115 |119 |-4       |
|Devin Booker           |PHO |50   |35.8|19.4|27.5|6.8 |2.6|0.543|0.379|0.88 |0.612|124 |117 |7        |
|Zion Williamson        |NOP |51   |30.5|15.1|22  |5.2 |2.6|0.579|0.385|0.687|0.611|120 |114 |6        |
|Pascal Siakam          |IND |22   |32.7|15.3|20.5|4.4 |1.5|0.599|0.388|0.676|0.61 |125 |120 |5        |
|Tyrese Haliburton      |IND |50   |31.9|15.6|20.8|11.3|2.3|0.584|0.379|0.85 |0.61 |130 |120 |10       |
|Jayson Tatum           |BOS |58   |35.7|19.3|27.1|4.8 |2.5|0.556|0.372|0.829|0.609|121 |110 |11       |
|Donovan Mitchell       |CLE |47   |35.7|20.4|28  |6.2 |2.9|0.553|0.371|0.861|0.604|119 |110 |9        |
|Pascal Siakam          |TOR |39   |34.7|16  |22.2|4.9 |2.1|0.584|0.317|0.758|0.6  |119 |120 |-1       |
|Bojan Bogdanović       |DET |28   |32.9|15.2|20.2|2.5 |2.3|0.518|0.415|0.779|0.6  |111 |123 |-12      |
|Kyrie Irving           |DAL |40   |34.3|19.9|25.7|5   |1.6|0.53 |0.42 |0.896|0.599|122 |118 |4        |
|Desmond Bane           |MEM |37   |34.5|18.8|24.4|5.3 |2.7|0.551|0.384|0.864|0.597|114 |116 |-2       |
|Damian Lillard         |MIL |57   |34.9|17.4|24.5|6.7 |2.6|0.495|0.347|0.926|0.593|121 |117 |4        |
|Jalen Brunson          |NYK |57   |35.4|20.2|27.2|6.6 |2.5|0.51 |0.407|0.846|0.592|123 |117 |6        |
|Paul George            |LAC |55   |33.8|17  |22.1|3.5 |2  |0.515|0.396|0.883|0.592|116 |114 |2        |
|Alperen Sengun         |HOU |60   |32.4|15.6|21.3|4.8 |2.6|0.571|0.297|0.707|0.59 |118 |110 |8        |
|Alperen Şengün         |HOU |59   |32.3|15.3|20.8|4.9 |2.6|0.571|0.287|0.706|0.588|118 |111 |7        |
|Anthony Edwards        |MIN |59   |34.9|19.4|26.1|5.1 |3.2|0.511|0.378|0.842|0.585|113 |109 |4        |
|Jaylen Brown           |BOS |56   |33.3|17.4|22.4|3.7 |2.4|0.572|0.354|0.721|0.583|114 |112 |2        |
|Jamal Murray           |DEN |46   |31.6|16.5|20.8|6.5 |2.1|0.512|0.417|0.854|0.582|119 |116 |3        |
|Brandon Ingram         |NOP |56   |33.2|16.4|21.7|5.8 |2.6|0.534|0.359|0.806|0.581|116 |115 |1        |
|Trae Young             |ATL |51   |36.5|19.3|26.4|10.8|4.3|0.473|0.371|0.856|0.581|118 |122 |-4       |
|DeMar DeRozan          |CHI |59   |37.8|16.6|22.9|5.3 |1.5|0.497|0.341|0.86 |0.578|123 |118 |5        |
|Tyrese Maxey           |PHI |55   |37.4|20.1|26  |6.3 |1.7|0.496|0.378|0.871|0.575|121 |118 |3        |
|Franz Wagner           |ORL |54   |33  |15.7|20.3|4   |2.1|0.562|0.301|0.846|0.574|115 |113 |2        |
|Terry Rozier           |CHO |30   |35.5|18.3|23.2|6.6 |2.2|0.533|0.358|0.845|0.574|116 |121 |-5       |
|Jerami Grant           |POR |52   |33.7|15.9|21.1|2.8 |2.1|0.475|0.401|0.812|0.573|113 |120 |-7       |
|Bam Adebayo            |MIA |51   |34.6|15.1|20.4|4   |2.5|0.522|0.083|0.776|0.572|114 |110 |4        |
|DeAaron Fox            |SAC |52   |35.7|20.6|26.8|5.7 |2.7|0.533|0.368|0.709|0.571|114 |116 |-2       |
|Julius Randle          |NYK |46   |35.4|18.2|24  |5   |3.5|0.539|0.311|0.781|0.569|113 |115 |-2       |
|Victor Wembanyama      |SAS |56   |28.8|16.1|20.7|3.4 |3.5|0.531|0.335|0.815|0.569|104 |107 |-3       |
|Mikal Bridges          |BRK |62   |35.2|16.7|21  |3.7 |2.1|0.507|0.357|0.814|0.562|112 |118 |-6       |
|LaMelo Ball            |CHO |22   |32.3|19.2|23.9|8   |3.8|0.5  |0.355|0.865|0.561|110 |118 |-8       |
|Anfernee Simons        |POR |37   |34.2|18.5|22.7|5.5 |2.7|0.47 |0.38 |0.915|0.56 |112 |121 |-9       |
|Jaren Jackson Jr.      |MEM |54   |31.9|17.3|22.4|2.1 |2.4|0.506|0.325|0.818|0.559|107 |112 |-5       |
|Dejounte Murray        |ATL |58   |35  |17.8|21.6|5.7 |2.3|0.524|0.357|0.81 |0.559|115 |120 |-5       |
|Miles Bridges          |CHO |51   |37.4|17.7|21.1|3.3 |2  |0.51 |0.368|0.848|0.556|108 |119 |-11      |
|Paolo Banchero         |ORL |60   |34.8|17.7|22.9|5.2 |3.1|0.493|0.361|0.706|0.549|109 |112 |-3       |
|Cade Cunningham        |DET |51   |33.8|18.3|22.2|7.4 |3.5|0.49 |0.36 |0.86 |0.549|109 |122 |-13      |
|Tyler Herro            |MIA |36   |33.6|18  |20.8|4.4 |2.1|0.468|0.399|0.835|0.549|107 |115 |-8       |
|Kyle Kuzma             |WAS |59   |31.9|18.9|22.2|4.1 |2.6|0.528|0.342|0.774|0.547|104 |121 |-17      |
|Cam Thomas             |BRK |48   |29.8|17.3|20.9|2.7 |1.8|0.474|0.36 |0.839|0.543|108 |119 |-11      |
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So basically you're saying Tyler is pretty much around average TS% for a SG?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

[MorbidHEAT]

Read on Twitter

That’s Duncan’s girl ?

What a g good for him. Just be safe out there don’t need no accidental assphyxiations before the playoffs.

She seems a little too premium for a Duncan Robinson who bought an expensive Louis Vutton backpack and returned it because it was a little too flashy for him. I'd expect him to be with more of the girl next door type. Never the less, my man Duncan is killing it on and off the court.

[Pokuokic]

Duncan has to stay in the starting line up he's probably the 3rd most important player atm after Bam/Jimmy due to his floor spacing and being a guy who moves the ball and can play without it. Come playoffs I could see them going with both.....If ECF Martin keeps showing up he will be the starting PF come playoffs as well realistically one of those two has to come off the bench

The Heat bench with one of Rozier/Herro and Martin along with JJJ and Love is easily one of the best in the NBA you basically have 3 starters going against other teams 2nd units.

[Wiltside]

Duncan apparently had that sauce a long time

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[Kobewade11]

Just caught up on the J-rich news, tough break

[Bishop45]

Duncan apparently had that sauce a long time

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Nice tomato puree sauce

[twix2500]

Good morning Heat Nation

Timberwolves @ Pacers
Heat @ Mavs

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[twix2500]

Terry Rozier the last four games since returning from knee sprain

31 mins, 17.3 pts, 13.8 fga, 33.3 3p%, 3.3 fta, 5.8 ast, 0.8 stls, 2.5 to

The last 2 games

32.3 mins, 15.5 pts, 13 fga, 44.4 3p%, 2.0 fta, 7.5 ast, 0.5 stls, 2.5 to

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[KingDavid]

Terry Rozier the last four games since returning from knee sprain

31 mins, 17.3 pts, 13.8 fga, 33.3 3p%, 3.3 fta, 5.8 ast, 0.8 stls, 2.5 to

The last 2 games

32.3 mins, 15.5 pts, 13 fga, 44.4 3p%, 2.0 fta, 7.5 ast, 0.5 stls, 2.5 to

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Wonder what the percentages would be if the four wild airballs were removed

[IceColdCubano]

Good morning Heat Nation

Timberwolves @ Pacers
Heat @ Mavs

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Really sucks that Miami has these sequences every season where they look absolute crap and then fix whatever ails them after the allstar break. If we had just gone .500 instead of that ridiculous 7-0 losing streak, Miami would at worse be sitting here fighting the Cavs for the 3rd Seed and chasing Milwaukee for 2nd at best.

It's been 5 years with this build, it we have been moving the pieces on the bench and and glue guy here and there but the build and schemes are pretty freaking identical in the past 5 fcking years. It blows my mind that every season we come out experimenting and injury prone as hell, which is a byproduct of being undersized and playing a heavy switching defense and yet to this day we cannot have consistency outside of the year with finished with the 1st seed where we seemed to put it somewhat together.

Perhaps its Spo's way of understand all our strengthens and weaknesses early in the season, and also allow our players to be as uncomfortable as possible and figure it out. Maybe that helps being better in the playoffs, but also seem to limp out of the Conf Finals when we get there because were absolutely cooked physically from the grind. I get that Miami defense first mentally has made them far more successful than other franchises during their builds, however the championships won have come from what always seems like an all out dominating offensive powerhouse primarily. That also happens to have a top ten defense as well.

Until this team doesn't put itself as a top 10 offense during while holding on to top 5 defense, we won't be seeing a championship for Jimmy on this build.

[IceColdCubano]

Terry Rozier the last four games since returning from knee sprain

31 mins, 17.3 pts, 13.8 fga, 33.3 3p%, 3.3 fta, 5.8 ast, 0.8 stls, 2.5 to

The last 2 games

32.3 mins, 15.5 pts, 13 fga, 44.4 3p%, 2.0 fta, 7.5 ast, 0.5 stls, 2.5 to

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Wonder what the percentages would be if the four wild airballs were removed

Airballs are like the spices in a good bbq rub, you can't get the twang to taste good without the spice hitting first. Its like watching a horror movie with no suspense, everything has to look absolutely gone to shitz in order for the good to stand out.

[Daffy]

Terry Rozier the last four games since returning from knee sprain

31 mins, 17.3 pts, 13.8 fga, 33.3 3p%, 3.3 fta, 5.8 ast, 0.8 stls, 2.5 to

The last 2 games

32.3 mins, 15.5 pts, 13 fga, 44.4 3p%, 2.0 fta, 7.5 ast, 0.5 stls, 2.5 to

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Imagine. People really tried to argue with me that he wasn't an upgrade over the version of Lowry we saw this season. Smh.

[Daffy]

Terry Rozier the last four games since returning from knee sprain

31 mins, 17.3 pts, 13.8 fga, 33.3 3p%, 3.3 fta, 5.8 ast, 0.8 stls, 2.5 to

The last 2 games

32.3 mins, 15.5 pts, 13 fga, 44.4 3p%, 2.0 fta, 7.5 ast, 0.5 stls, 2.5 to

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Wonder what the percentages would be if the four wild airballs were removed

Airballs are like the spices in a good bbq rub, you can't get the twang to taste good without the spice hitting first. Its like watching a horror movie with no suspense, everything has to look absolutely gone to shitz in order for the good to stand out.

There was a post from you that broke down the minutes speaking about Spo's playoff rotation. With the news of Josh being done for the season do you see Wright receiving minutes in the playoffs or still think we won't use him? I personally think we should find some minutes for him, but I also can't really see the place for him. Last year we used 7 players deep and the year before it was 8 players deep the playoffs. I wonder how much of that was due to our benches being weaker the previous 2 years.

[Enso]

Mills makes sense now, wishin J Rich a smooth recover .

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Good morning Heat Nation

Timberwolves @ Pacers
Heat @ Mavs

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4th seed right now if we don’t blow a 20 point 4th quarter lead to the Knicks earlier this season

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Terry Rozier the last four games since returning from knee sprain

31 mins, 17.3 pts, 13.8 fga, 33.3 3p%, 3.3 fta, 5.8 ast, 0.8 stls, 2.5 to

The last 2 games

32.3 mins, 15.5 pts, 13 fga, 44.4 3p%, 2.0 fta, 7.5 ast, 0.5 stls, 2.5 to

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Wonder what the percentages would be if the four wild airballs were removed

41% from 3 lol

[AirP.]

So since Miami's record without Herro can be ignored since Butler's is nearly the same, I'll be posting some better stats.

So this year, for TS% for players scoring 20+ ppg there are 55 players who qualify with 20+ games played this year.

Miami has 3 players now in that list
#6 Butler at .637
#41 Bam at .572 (low for his .599 career average)
#53 Herro at .549 (low for his .556 career average)

The 2 below Herro.
#54 Kuzma
#55 Cam Thomas

If you sort that same list by calculated ORTG Herro is still #53 but ahead of Cam Thomas and Wembanyama! Butler ends up being #3 and Bam #39.

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|Player                 |Team|Games|MPG |FGA |PPG |APG |TOV|2PT% |3pt% |FT%  |TSPCT|ORTG|DRTG|NetRating|
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|Kristaps Porziņģis     |BOS |45   |29.7|13  |20.4|2   |1.6|0.62 |0.378|0.861|0.66 |129 |109 |20       |
|Giannis Antetokounmpo  |MIL |59   |34.9|18.6|30.8|6.3 |3.4|0.652|0.301|0.661|0.657|127 |112 |15       |
|Nikola Jokić           |DEN |60   |34.2|17.6|25.9|9.2 |3  |0.627|0.35 |0.818|0.648|131 |109 |22       |
|Shai Gilgeous-Alexander|OKC |60   |34.4|20.1|31.1|6.5 |2.2|0.579|0.383|0.882|0.647|131 |110 |21       |
|Joel Embiid            |PHI |34   |34  |22.2|35.3|5.7 |3.7|0.562|0.366|0.883|0.645|126 |110 |16       |
|Jimmy Butler           |MIA |42   |34  |13.5|21.9|4.8 |1.7|0.517|0.454|0.858|0.637|131 |114 |17       |
|Lauri Markkanen        |UTA |51   |32.9|16  |23.1|2   |1.3|0.565|0.401|0.888|0.634|129 |119 |10       |
|Kevin Durant           |PHO |55   |37.3|19.3|27.9|5.5 |3.3|0.562|0.42 |0.855|0.63 |120 |115 |5        |
|Karl-Anthony Towns     |MIN |60   |32.8|15.5|22.1|3   |2.8|0.55 |0.423|0.874|0.628|116 |108 |8        |
|Kawhi Leonard          |LAC |55   |34.4|17.3|24  |3.7 |1.7|0.56 |0.43 |0.888|0.626|125 |113 |12       |
|Luka Dončić            |DAL |54   |37.6|23.8|34.6|9.8 |3.9|0.585|0.378|0.785|0.623|123 |115 |8        |
|Anthony Davis          |LAL |59   |35.7|17  |24.9|3.6 |2  |0.582|0.264|0.815|0.622|124 |110 |14       |
|Stephen Curry          |GSW |57   |32.9|19.8|27.1|5   |3  |0.519|0.407|0.922|0.62 |119 |118 |1        |
|LeBron James           |LAL |55   |35  |18.1|25.2|7.9 |3.2|0.577|0.407|0.732|0.615|118 |115 |3        |
|RJ Barrett             |TOR |25   |33.4|14.6|20.5|3.8 |2.2|0.608|0.406|0.574|0.614|115 |119 |-4       |
|Devin Booker           |PHO |50   |35.8|19.4|27.5|6.8 |2.6|0.543|0.379|0.88 |0.612|124 |117 |7        |
|Zion Williamson        |NOP |51   |30.5|15.1|22  |5.2 |2.6|0.579|0.385|0.687|0.611|120 |114 |6        |
|Pascal Siakam          |IND |22   |32.7|15.3|20.5|4.4 |1.5|0.599|0.388|0.676|0.61 |125 |120 |5        |
|Tyrese Haliburton      |IND |50   |31.9|15.6|20.8|11.3|2.3|0.584|0.379|0.85 |0.61 |130 |120 |10       |
|Jayson Tatum           |BOS |58   |35.7|19.3|27.1|4.8 |2.5|0.556|0.372|0.829|0.609|121 |110 |11       |
|Donovan Mitchell       |CLE |47   |35.7|20.4|28  |6.2 |2.9|0.553|0.371|0.861|0.604|119 |110 |9        |
|Pascal Siakam          |TOR |39   |34.7|16  |22.2|4.9 |2.1|0.584|0.317|0.758|0.6  |119 |120 |-1       |
|Bojan Bogdanović       |DET |28   |32.9|15.2|20.2|2.5 |2.3|0.518|0.415|0.779|0.6  |111 |123 |-12      |
|Kyrie Irving           |DAL |40   |34.3|19.9|25.7|5   |1.6|0.53 |0.42 |0.896|0.599|122 |118 |4        |
|Desmond Bane           |MEM |37   |34.5|18.8|24.4|5.3 |2.7|0.551|0.384|0.864|0.597|114 |116 |-2       |
|Damian Lillard         |MIL |57   |34.9|17.4|24.5|6.7 |2.6|0.495|0.347|0.926|0.593|121 |117 |4        |
|Jalen Brunson          |NYK |57   |35.4|20.2|27.2|6.6 |2.5|0.51 |0.407|0.846|0.592|123 |117 |6        |
|Paul George            |LAC |55   |33.8|17  |22.1|3.5 |2  |0.515|0.396|0.883|0.592|116 |114 |2        |
|Alperen Sengun         |HOU |60   |32.4|15.6|21.3|4.8 |2.6|0.571|0.297|0.707|0.59 |118 |110 |8        |
|Alperen Şengün         |HOU |59   |32.3|15.3|20.8|4.9 |2.6|0.571|0.287|0.706|0.588|118 |111 |7        |
|Anthony Edwards        |MIN |59   |34.9|19.4|26.1|5.1 |3.2|0.511|0.378|0.842|0.585|113 |109 |4        |
|Jaylen Brown           |BOS |56   |33.3|17.4|22.4|3.7 |2.4|0.572|0.354|0.721|0.583|114 |112 |2        |
|Jamal Murray           |DEN |46   |31.6|16.5|20.8|6.5 |2.1|0.512|0.417|0.854|0.582|119 |116 |3        |
|Brandon Ingram         |NOP |56   |33.2|16.4|21.7|5.8 |2.6|0.534|0.359|0.806|0.581|116 |115 |1        |
|Trae Young             |ATL |51   |36.5|19.3|26.4|10.8|4.3|0.473|0.371|0.856|0.581|118 |122 |-4       |
|DeMar DeRozan          |CHI |59   |37.8|16.6|22.9|5.3 |1.5|0.497|0.341|0.86 |0.578|123 |118 |5        |
|Tyrese Maxey           |PHI |55   |37.4|20.1|26  |6.3 |1.7|0.496|0.378|0.871|0.575|121 |118 |3        |
|Franz Wagner           |ORL |54   |33  |15.7|20.3|4   |2.1|0.562|0.301|0.846|0.574|115 |113 |2        |
|Terry Rozier           |CHO |30   |35.5|18.3|23.2|6.6 |2.2|0.533|0.358|0.845|0.574|116 |121 |-5       |
|Jerami Grant           |POR |52   |33.7|15.9|21.1|2.8 |2.1|0.475|0.401|0.812|0.573|113 |120 |-7       |
|Bam Adebayo            |MIA |51   |34.6|15.1|20.4|4   |2.5|0.522|0.083|0.776|0.572|114 |110 |4        |
|DeAaron Fox            |SAC |52   |35.7|20.6|26.8|5.7 |2.7|0.533|0.368|0.709|0.571|114 |116 |-2       |
|Julius Randle          |NYK |46   |35.4|18.2|24  |5   |3.5|0.539|0.311|0.781|0.569|113 |115 |-2       |
|Victor Wembanyama      |SAS |56   |28.8|16.1|20.7|3.4 |3.5|0.531|0.335|0.815|0.569|104 |107 |-3       |
|Mikal Bridges          |BRK |62   |35.2|16.7|21  |3.7 |2.1|0.507|0.357|0.814|0.562|112 |118 |-6       |
|LaMelo Ball            |CHO |22   |32.3|19.2|23.9|8   |3.8|0.5  |0.355|0.865|0.561|110 |118 |-8       |
|Anfernee Simons        |POR |37   |34.2|18.5|22.7|5.5 |2.7|0.47 |0.38 |0.915|0.56 |112 |121 |-9       |
|Jaren Jackson Jr.      |MEM |54   |31.9|17.3|22.4|2.1 |2.4|0.506|0.325|0.818|0.559|107 |112 |-5       |
|Dejounte Murray        |ATL |58   |35  |17.8|21.6|5.7 |2.3|0.524|0.357|0.81 |0.559|115 |120 |-5       |
|Miles Bridges          |CHO |51   |37.4|17.7|21.1|3.3 |2  |0.51 |0.368|0.848|0.556|108 |119 |-11      |
|Paolo Banchero         |ORL |60   |34.8|17.7|22.9|5.2 |3.1|0.493|0.361|0.706|0.549|109 |112 |-3       |
|Cade Cunningham        |DET |51   |33.8|18.3|22.2|7.4 |3.5|0.49 |0.36 |0.86 |0.549|109 |122 |-13      |
|Tyler Herro            |MIA |36   |33.6|18  |20.8|4.4 |2.1|0.468|0.399|0.835|0.549|107 |115 |-8       |
|Kyle Kuzma             |WAS |59   |31.9|18.9|22.2|4.1 |2.6|0.528|0.342|0.774|0.547|104 |121 |-17      |
|Cam Thomas             |BRK |48   |29.8|17.3|20.9|2.7 |1.8|0.474|0.36 |0.839|0.543|108 |119 |-11      |
+-----------------------+----+-----+----+----+----+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+

So basically you're saying Tyler is pretty much around average TS% for a SG?

How do you get that from just the players scoring 20 ppg?

Although I don't have the average for SGs, I can do a list of SGs based on playing at least 20 games this year which comes up with 91 players and Herro is 60th right below Okogie and right above Ivey and Trent Jr.

If you look at Miami's roster's TS% Herro is 15th out of 20 players on the roster this year, for calculated ORTG he's 17th of 20 Miami players at 107 which is interesting with the league average being 115.7 so he's only 8.7 below the league average.

Just looking on Basketball-Reference's advanced stats for qualified players, Herro is 163 out of 202 players for TS%. *Note that some players are on there 3 times since they were traded with their old, new and total stats for each team they were on.

I heard Ethan on 5 reason's talking about Herro's TS% being low because he's not getting to the line which is somewhat true but not the real reason, the real reason is that he's shooting 9.9 2pt shots per game and hitting nearly 47% of them which is not very efficient in this 3pt era, that's a pace of 94 points on 100 shots instead of taking more 3s than 2s since he's scoring nearly 120 points per 100 shots beyond the arc but taking near 2 less 3s than 2s which seems to be leaning towards his weakness.

Point being, maybe one of the lowest TS% players on the team shouldn't be taking the most shots by far on the team.

[Daffy]

So since Miami's record without Herro can be ignored since Butler's is nearly the same, I'll be posting some better stats.

So this year, for TS% for players scoring 20+ ppg there are 55 players who qualify with 20+ games played this year.

Miami has 3 players now in that list
#6 Butler at .637
#41 Bam at .572 (low for his .599 career average)
#53 Herro at .549 (low for his .556 career average)

The 2 below Herro.
#54 Kuzma
#55 Cam Thomas

If you sort that same list by calculated ORTG Herro is still #53 but ahead of Cam Thomas and Wembanyama! Butler ends up being #3 and Bam #39.

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|Player                 |Team|Games|MPG |FGA |PPG |APG |TOV|2PT% |3pt% |FT%  |TSPCT|ORTG|DRTG|NetRating|
+-----------------------+----+-----+----+----+----+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+
|Kristaps Porziņģis     |BOS |45   |29.7|13  |20.4|2   |1.6|0.62 |0.378|0.861|0.66 |129 |109 |20       |
|Giannis Antetokounmpo  |MIL |59   |34.9|18.6|30.8|6.3 |3.4|0.652|0.301|0.661|0.657|127 |112 |15       |
|Nikola Jokić           |DEN |60   |34.2|17.6|25.9|9.2 |3  |0.627|0.35 |0.818|0.648|131 |109 |22       |
|Shai Gilgeous-Alexander|OKC |60   |34.4|20.1|31.1|6.5 |2.2|0.579|0.383|0.882|0.647|131 |110 |21       |
|Joel Embiid            |PHI |34   |34  |22.2|35.3|5.7 |3.7|0.562|0.366|0.883|0.645|126 |110 |16       |
|Jimmy Butler           |MIA |42   |34  |13.5|21.9|4.8 |1.7|0.517|0.454|0.858|0.637|131 |114 |17       |
|Lauri Markkanen        |UTA |51   |32.9|16  |23.1|2   |1.3|0.565|0.401|0.888|0.634|129 |119 |10       |
|Kevin Durant           |PHO |55   |37.3|19.3|27.9|5.5 |3.3|0.562|0.42 |0.855|0.63 |120 |115 |5        |
|Karl-Anthony Towns     |MIN |60   |32.8|15.5|22.1|3   |2.8|0.55 |0.423|0.874|0.628|116 |108 |8        |
|Kawhi Leonard          |LAC |55   |34.4|17.3|24  |3.7 |1.7|0.56 |0.43 |0.888|0.626|125 |113 |12       |
|Luka Dončić            |DAL |54   |37.6|23.8|34.6|9.8 |3.9|0.585|0.378|0.785|0.623|123 |115 |8        |
|Anthony Davis          |LAL |59   |35.7|17  |24.9|3.6 |2  |0.582|0.264|0.815|0.622|124 |110 |14       |
|Stephen Curry          |GSW |57   |32.9|19.8|27.1|5   |3  |0.519|0.407|0.922|0.62 |119 |118 |1        |
|LeBron James           |LAL |55   |35  |18.1|25.2|7.9 |3.2|0.577|0.407|0.732|0.615|118 |115 |3        |
|RJ Barrett             |TOR |25   |33.4|14.6|20.5|3.8 |2.2|0.608|0.406|0.574|0.614|115 |119 |-4       |
|Devin Booker           |PHO |50   |35.8|19.4|27.5|6.8 |2.6|0.543|0.379|0.88 |0.612|124 |117 |7        |
|Zion Williamson        |NOP |51   |30.5|15.1|22  |5.2 |2.6|0.579|0.385|0.687|0.611|120 |114 |6        |
|Pascal Siakam          |IND |22   |32.7|15.3|20.5|4.4 |1.5|0.599|0.388|0.676|0.61 |125 |120 |5        |
|Tyrese Haliburton      |IND |50   |31.9|15.6|20.8|11.3|2.3|0.584|0.379|0.85 |0.61 |130 |120 |10       |
|Jayson Tatum           |BOS |58   |35.7|19.3|27.1|4.8 |2.5|0.556|0.372|0.829|0.609|121 |110 |11       |
|Donovan Mitchell       |CLE |47   |35.7|20.4|28  |6.2 |2.9|0.553|0.371|0.861|0.604|119 |110 |9        |
|Pascal Siakam          |TOR |39   |34.7|16  |22.2|4.9 |2.1|0.584|0.317|0.758|0.6  |119 |120 |-1       |
|Bojan Bogdanović       |DET |28   |32.9|15.2|20.2|2.5 |2.3|0.518|0.415|0.779|0.6  |111 |123 |-12      |
|Kyrie Irving           |DAL |40   |34.3|19.9|25.7|5   |1.6|0.53 |0.42 |0.896|0.599|122 |118 |4        |
|Desmond Bane           |MEM |37   |34.5|18.8|24.4|5.3 |2.7|0.551|0.384|0.864|0.597|114 |116 |-2       |
|Damian Lillard         |MIL |57   |34.9|17.4|24.5|6.7 |2.6|0.495|0.347|0.926|0.593|121 |117 |4        |
|Jalen Brunson          |NYK |57   |35.4|20.2|27.2|6.6 |2.5|0.51 |0.407|0.846|0.592|123 |117 |6        |
|Paul George            |LAC |55   |33.8|17  |22.1|3.5 |2  |0.515|0.396|0.883|0.592|116 |114 |2        |
|Alperen Sengun         |HOU |60   |32.4|15.6|21.3|4.8 |2.6|0.571|0.297|0.707|0.59 |118 |110 |8        |
|Alperen Şengün         |HOU |59   |32.3|15.3|20.8|4.9 |2.6|0.571|0.287|0.706|0.588|118 |111 |7        |
|Anthony Edwards        |MIN |59   |34.9|19.4|26.1|5.1 |3.2|0.511|0.378|0.842|0.585|113 |109 |4        |
|Jaylen Brown           |BOS |56   |33.3|17.4|22.4|3.7 |2.4|0.572|0.354|0.721|0.583|114 |112 |2        |
|Jamal Murray           |DEN |46   |31.6|16.5|20.8|6.5 |2.1|0.512|0.417|0.854|0.582|119 |116 |3        |
|Brandon Ingram         |NOP |56   |33.2|16.4|21.7|5.8 |2.6|0.534|0.359|0.806|0.581|116 |115 |1        |
|Trae Young             |ATL |51   |36.5|19.3|26.4|10.8|4.3|0.473|0.371|0.856|0.581|118 |122 |-4       |
|DeMar DeRozan          |CHI |59   |37.8|16.6|22.9|5.3 |1.5|0.497|0.341|0.86 |0.578|123 |118 |5        |
|Tyrese Maxey           |PHI |55   |37.4|20.1|26  |6.3 |1.7|0.496|0.378|0.871|0.575|121 |118 |3        |
|Franz Wagner           |ORL |54   |33  |15.7|20.3|4   |2.1|0.562|0.301|0.846|0.574|115 |113 |2        |
|Terry Rozier           |CHO |30   |35.5|18.3|23.2|6.6 |2.2|0.533|0.358|0.845|0.574|116 |121 |-5       |
|Jerami Grant           |POR |52   |33.7|15.9|21.1|2.8 |2.1|0.475|0.401|0.812|0.573|113 |120 |-7       |
|Bam Adebayo            |MIA |51   |34.6|15.1|20.4|4   |2.5|0.522|0.083|0.776|0.572|114 |110 |4        |
|DeAaron Fox            |SAC |52   |35.7|20.6|26.8|5.7 |2.7|0.533|0.368|0.709|0.571|114 |116 |-2       |
|Julius Randle          |NYK |46   |35.4|18.2|24  |5   |3.5|0.539|0.311|0.781|0.569|113 |115 |-2       |
|Victor Wembanyama      |SAS |56   |28.8|16.1|20.7|3.4 |3.5|0.531|0.335|0.815|0.569|104 |107 |-3       |
|Mikal Bridges          |BRK |62   |35.2|16.7|21  |3.7 |2.1|0.507|0.357|0.814|0.562|112 |118 |-6       |
|LaMelo Ball            |CHO |22   |32.3|19.2|23.9|8   |3.8|0.5  |0.355|0.865|0.561|110 |118 |-8       |
|Anfernee Simons        |POR |37   |34.2|18.5|22.7|5.5 |2.7|0.47 |0.38 |0.915|0.56 |112 |121 |-9       |
|Jaren Jackson Jr.      |MEM |54   |31.9|17.3|22.4|2.1 |2.4|0.506|0.325|0.818|0.559|107 |112 |-5       |
|Dejounte Murray        |ATL |58   |35  |17.8|21.6|5.7 |2.3|0.524|0.357|0.81 |0.559|115 |120 |-5       |
|Miles Bridges          |CHO |51   |37.4|17.7|21.1|3.3 |2  |0.51 |0.368|0.848|0.556|108 |119 |-11      |
|Paolo Banchero         |ORL |60   |34.8|17.7|22.9|5.2 |3.1|0.493|0.361|0.706|0.549|109 |112 |-3       |
|Cade Cunningham        |DET |51   |33.8|18.3|22.2|7.4 |3.5|0.49 |0.36 |0.86 |0.549|109 |122 |-13      |
|Tyler Herro            |MIA |36   |33.6|18  |20.8|4.4 |2.1|0.468|0.399|0.835|0.549|107 |115 |-8       |
|Kyle Kuzma             |WAS |59   |31.9|18.9|22.2|4.1 |2.6|0.528|0.342|0.774|0.547|104 |121 |-17      |
|Cam Thomas             |BRK |48   |29.8|17.3|20.9|2.7 |1.8|0.474|0.36 |0.839|0.543|108 |119 |-11      |
+-----------------------+----+-----+----+----+----+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---------+

So basically you're saying Tyler is pretty much around average TS% for a SG?

How do you get that from just the players scoring 20 ppg?

Although I don't have the average for SGs, I can do a list of SGs based on playing at least 20 games this year which comes up with 91 players and Herro is 60th right below Okogie and right above Ivey and Trent Jr.

If you look at Miami's roster's TS% Herro is 15th out of 20 players on the roster this year, for calculated ORTG he's 17th of 20 Miami players at 107 which is interesting with the league average being 115.7 so he's only 8.7 below the league average.

Just looking on Basketball-Reference's advanced stats for qualified players, Herro is 163 out of 202 players for TS%. *Note that some players are on there 3 times since they were traded with their old, new and total stats for each team they were on.

I heard Ethan on 5 reason's talking about Herro's TS% being low because he's not getting to the line which is somewhat true but not the real reason, the real reason is that he's shooting 9.9 2pt shots per game and hitting nearly 47% of them which is not very efficient in this 3pt era, that's a pace of 94 points on 100 shots instead of taking more 3s than 2s since he's scoring nearly 120 points per 100 shots beyond the arc but taking near 2 less 3s than 2s which seems to be leaning towards his weakness.

Point being, maybe one of the lowest TS% players on the team shouldn't be taking the most shots by far on the team.

What Ethan is saying is basically what I was alluding to. Adjust the FT attempts with another player with roughly the same amount of attempts as Herro and like I said he's around average. Add about 2 FTs for Herro and look at what it goes up to as well. I think last year that was basically the average TS% of most SGs as well.

[twozeroMM]

Just caught up on the J-rich news, tough break

Big bummer, but I think Delon can fill in to what Rich was doing.