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Post#381 » by bballsparkin » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:02 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Dillingham has juice on his passes, absolutely zips the ball to where he wants it to go. Drive and dish ability is legit, much more impressive halfcourt passer than Reed. Might have to bet on him being an offensive engine at the NBA level with his speed and passing. Foul rate is concerning though.


How's the defence? Vids make me doubter as I see "elite 6th man" ceiling on my lazy takes.
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Post#382 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:14 am

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Dillingham has juice on his passes, absolutely zips the ball to where he wants it to go. Drive and dish ability is legit, much more impressive halfcourt passer than Reed. Might have to bet on him being an offensive engine at the NBA level with his speed and passing. Foul rate is concerning though.


How's the defence? Vids make me doubter as I see "elite 6th man" ceiling on my lazy takes.


Not great but effort is good enough that he can probably survive on that end, especially if he's drafted by a team that can help mask it. Offensive ceiling is special with efficient volume 3 point shooting and facilitating + special player who has supreme confidence and star mentality. In this draft you take him early which is why almost every evaluator I have seen has him in their top 10. There just aren't enough guys you can make arguments for taking ahead of him this year and you'll live with the question marks because of his overall makeup.
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Post#383 » by bballsparkin » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:27 am

^^Nice, thanks. As long as the effort is there that's good enough for me.
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Post#384 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:31 am

Dillingham reminds me a lot of Kemba.
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Post#385 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:37 am

I think you can make an argument that Dillingham has the most self-belief and confidence of any player at the top of the draft right now and that needs to factor in to his evaluation. Even if he initially runs into trouble at the NBA level it's that mentality that will push him to find a way to overcome any issues. Last year I saw a lot of guys whose brains were wired really well and who were hyper competitive and confident, this year there aren't as many but Dillingham is one. My honest opinion is that not even the french kids or cody williams have mental makeups as good as guys like Wallace, Lively, Black, Podz last year.
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Post#386 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:42 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Dillingham reminds me a lot of Kemba.


That's usually the ceiling in the player's prime for those types whether it's Maxey or Kemba or even an Iverson, +4 to +5 OBPM with -1.5 to -1 DBPM. That's what a team drafting Dillingham is going to hope for. I'm starting to realize it's a very acceptable bet to make very early this year.
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Post#387 » by PhilBlackson » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:53 am

Right now I’m feeling pretty set on wanting to draft Big Z with the Pacers pick. I personally think he has the most potential of anyone in that range (including over Ware).

If you watch some of his European highlights it looks like UK’s just scratching the surface with some of the things he can do. Granted the competition was probably lower but even to show flashes makes me hopeful that if he can replicate some of that in the league with further development & refinement, he just looks like he could be a real steal. What puts him ahead of Ware for me is his passing ability, not only is that an extra weapon/tool but to me that speaks to his ability to process the game and we’re seeing how our new offence is a lot of ball movement and read & react ball. Combine that with his length & relatively decent lateral movement on the defensive end. I just REALLY like the idea of us developing him and it’s hard to picture better mentors than the vets we have now to help him in his first couple of years.

All that said I just hate that OKC is yet again ahead of us because I could easily imagine them taking both prospects I’d want (Salaun & Ivisic). Should they do that than f Presti lol and then I’d just take a flyer on Yang with the DET pick.
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Post#388 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 7, 2024 5:38 am



Incredible film, Ware is really really impressing
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Post#389 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Mar 7, 2024 5:44 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Right now I’m feeling pretty set on wanting to draft Big Z with the Pacers pick. I personally think he has the most potential of anyone in that range (including over Ware).

If you watch some of his European highlights it looks like UK’s just scratching the surface with some of the things he can do. Granted the competition was probably lower but even to show flashes makes me hopeful that if he can replicate some of that in the league with further development & refinement, he just looks like he could be a real steal. What puts him ahead of Ware for me is his passing ability, not only is that an extra weapon/tool but to me that speaks to his ability to process the game and we’re seeing how our new offence is a lot of ball movement and read & react ball. Combine that with his length & relatively decent lateral movement on the defensive end. I just REALLY like the idea of us developing him and it’s hard to picture better mentors than the vets we have now to help him in his first couple of years.

All that said I just hate that OKC is yet again ahead of us because I could easily imagine them taking both prospects I’d want (Salaun & Ivisic). Should they do that than f Presti lol and then I’d just take a flyer on Yang with the DET pick.


Ivisic and Ware are also my front-runners for the Pacers pick.
However, I think the former will have a big tourney and end up getting drafted in the top 10.
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Post#390 » by Thaddy » Thu Mar 7, 2024 6:14 am

There is no way Ivisic isn't a top 10 pick. The fluidity, rim protection, play making, and shooting at 7'3 should be a top 5 pick.

At our pick in the mid first round I would target a long term rotation player that could grow. To me that would be Missi, Hall, or Dunn.

In the mid first we are probably looking at a high floor senior. I like Ware
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Post#391 » by Mark_83 » Thu Mar 7, 2024 7:35 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Right now I’m feeling pretty set on wanting to draft Big Z with the Pacers pick. I personally think he has the most potential of anyone in that range (including over Ware).

If you watch some of his European highlights it looks like UK’s just scratching the surface with some of the things he can do. Granted the competition was probably lower but even to show flashes makes me hopeful that if he can replicate some of that in the league with further development & refinement, he just looks like he could be a real steal. What puts him ahead of Ware for me is his passing ability, not only is that an extra weapon/tool but to me that speaks to his ability to process the game and we’re seeing how our new offence is a lot of ball movement and read & react ball. Combine that with his length & relatively decent lateral movement on the defensive end. I just REALLY like the idea of us developing him and it’s hard to picture better mentors than the vets we have now to help him in his first couple of years.

All that said I just hate that OKC is yet again ahead of us because I could easily imagine them taking both prospects I’d want (Salaun & Ivisic). Should they do that than f Presti lol and then I’d just take a flyer on Yang with the DET pick.

If we don't take him at the Pacers pick I take Wang with the Detroit pick to develop.
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Post#392 » by RoteSchroder » Thu Mar 7, 2024 8:13 am

Thaddy wrote:There is no way Ivisic isn't a top 10 pick. The fluidity, rim protection, play making, and shooting at 7'3 should be a top 5 pick.

At our pick in the mid first round I would target a long term rotation player that could grow. To me that would be Missi, Hall, or Dunn.

In the mid first we are probably looking at a high floor senior. I like Ware


For me, Ivisic's red flag is that he has a lot of experience in Europe, but he can't put together a string of good games, which raises a lot of questions. Has he grown or improved on his weaknesses in the last 2 years? I think the knocks on him were him being skinny, a bit clunky and raw on D.

His skills and body type definitely fits the trendy prototype, but so did Bargnani.

I think Ware's a safer pick, although he needs the right coach to keep him motivated. I wonder if Ware likes pizza..
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Post#393 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 7, 2024 8:33 am

Thaddy wrote:There is no way Ivisic isn't a top 10 pick. The fluidity, rim protection, play making, and shooting at 7'3 should be a top 5 pick.

At our pick in the mid first round I would target a long term rotation player that could grow. To me that would be Missi, Hall, or Dunn.

In the mid first we are probably looking at a high floor senior. I like Ware


I still love Dunn, hate Hall, Missi changing my mind about him after seeing him vs Kansas plus finding out he's been playing basketball for not very long and seeming like a smart and motivated kid from some interviews and his body language in general. Needs a lot of development but can guard out in space at the 5 and could be a pretty good player by 2027. He's raw but not super raw and developing at a nice pace. Flashed some advanced handling and moves to the basket for a center vs Kansas. The advantage Missi possesses over Ware is that he has the mobility to guard well in space and be more cognizant as a defender while being a higher tier of offensive rebounder. The advantage Ware has over Missi is ability to stretch floor and better touch around the rim with refined post game. The driver for their outcomes will be desire. The upper hand goes to Missi in that department for now, but if a team is able to light a fire under Ware they could have a big time steal. What Ware just did vs. Minnesota was nothing short of spectacular and it looks like he's hardly even trying. He is immensely talented.
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Post#394 » by grimlock » Thu Mar 7, 2024 3:01 pm

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Incredible film, Ware is really really impressing


Some nice overall court awareness. Can obviously hit the college three. Might be a bit slow and lacking explosiveness, but he looks like a great prospect. We need size desperately
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Post#395 » by Psubs » Thu Mar 7, 2024 3:12 pm

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Incredible film, Ware is really really impressing


Some nice overall court awareness. Can obviously hit the college three. Might be a bit slow and lacking explosiveness, but he looks like a great prospect. We need size desperately


Tyler Smith can hit the NBA 3 already.

If he measures a legit 6'11 without shoes, gotta hope he drops to the Pacers pick. He doesn't grab a lot of rebounds so might be more like a Myles Turner, but he plays like a SF/PF. Still have Poeltl and Olynyk for a few more years.



Some thoughts on Furphy. Is Furphy like a more fluid Nikola Jovic? Geez, they have him at #13 and the asian guy personally has him at #11. :o

Zero isolations is interesting. :o Elite role player, maybe a AK47 with less blocks and steals. Would rather go with Tyler Smith.
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Post#396 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Mar 7, 2024 3:33 pm

Yves Missi shooting 76.4% from the free throw line since Jan 27th

Prior to that he was shooting 48.5% on the year
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Post#397 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Mar 7, 2024 3:46 pm

Kel’el Ware finally starting to put things together is great to see. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I would’ve taken him last year if he declared, but he understood he wasn’t ready and transferred somewhere he could showcase his abilities more. He and Ivisic are 2 bigs I’d strongly consider for us, but this is just repeating what I’ve been saying all year (for V), and for the last 2 years (for Ware).
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Post#398 » by Psubs » Thu Mar 7, 2024 3:49 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Yves Missi shooting 76.4% from the free throw line since Jan 27th

Prior to that he was shooting 48.5% on the year


Do we remember N'Faly Dante?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nfaly-dante-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/yves-missi-2.html

Missi only gets 5.7 rebs per game? He's at best Clint Capela, pass. DaRon Holmes I feel should be drafted ahead of Missi and even then early 2nd round at best.

Giving Olynyk an extension and still having Poeltl, Missi doesn't bring anything new that other prospects have.
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Post#399 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Mar 7, 2024 3:52 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Kel’el Ware finally starting to put things together is great to see. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I would’ve taken him last year if he declared, but he understood he wasn’t ready and transferred somewhere he could showcase his abilities more. He and Ivisic are 2 bigs I’d strongly consider for us, but this is just repeating what I’ve been saying all year (for V), and for the last 2 years (for Ware).


I like Ware. He's been on my list for the Pacer pick for a while.

Really think there could be some Myles Turner lite in there, which is definitely worth a mid first rounder.

Lowkey wish we didn't trade for Agbaji. Would have ben nice to take a swing on another player in the later part of the first round.
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Post#400 » by Psubs » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:02 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Kel’el Ware finally starting to put things together is great to see. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I would’ve taken him last year if he declared, but he understood he wasn’t ready and transferred somewhere he could showcase his abilities more. He and Ivisic are 2 bigs I’d strongly consider for us, but this is just repeating what I’ve been saying all year (for V), and for the last 2 years (for Ware).


I like Ware. He's been on my list for the Pacer pick for a while.

Really think there could be some Myles Turner lite in there, which is definitely worth a mid first rounder.

Lowkey wish we didn't trade for Agbaji. Would have ben nice to take a swing on another player in the later part of the first round.


Likely offered the Pistons 2nd pick but settled for the late 1st pick. So it's the #29 pick right now instead of the #32 pick. I guess it just matters for contract purposes.

What makes Yves Missi a better prospect than Ulrich Chomche? Chomche might be slightly more raw with turnovers but he's also 1 1/2 years younger than Missi. Chomche shows potential to shoot the 3.

I guess could get Chomche or Ajinca with the #32 and offer a 3 years deal?
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