2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

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Incredible film, Ware is really really impressing

That was actually one of the more impressive game highlights I've watched this draft. Court awareness, feel for the game, shooting, etc. To my eyes, he looks like a better prospect than Buzelis.

I can't tell if he's slow or patient/mature. Marc Gasol never seemed to move quick, but he was a defensive beast against quick shooting teams like the Bucks and Warriors in the playoffs. I'm not sure if Ware gets run off the court in the NBA, or is just mature enough to slow it down and let the game develop. There was one blocked shot in that highlight reel where he's under the rim and just stands there as a guy tries to pump fake him.

[ArthurVandelay]

I just can't get behind Buzelis...I'm trying but not happening yet.

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He looked nice the all star weekend. The young players tournament they had. That's my only time watching him. Nice defence I've seen the vids that have posted. He seems like a lock for the league to me. Not sure how high though.

Oh no doubt he is a lock for the league. I'm just struggling to see him become a legit player. I think he's a bigger project than Salaun.

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Yves Missi shooting 76.4% from the free throw line since Jan 27th

Prior to that he was shooting 48.5% on the year

Do we remember N'Faly Dante?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nfaly-dante-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/yves-missi-2.html

Missi only gets 5.7 rebs per game? He's at best Clint Capela, pass. DaRon Holmes I feel should be drafted ahead of Missi and even then early 2nd round at best.

Giving Olynyk an extension and still having Poeltl, Missi doesn't bring anything new that other prospects have.

When you factor in that Missi has been playing competitive basketball for 3 seasons it changes everything. Suddenly there is a sample that suggests he might actually develop into a good free throw shooter, he is flashing ball handling chained to skilled moves to the basket to finish and he is very mobile and can guard well in space. His basic framework appeared like that of a Capela but look more closely and you will see evidence of burgeoning abilities that Capela has never possessed.

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Incredible film, Ware is really really impressing

That was actually one of the more impressive game highlights I've watched this draft. Court awareness, feel for the game, shooting, etc. To my eyes, he looks like a better prospect than Buzelis.

I can't tell if he's slow or patient/mature. Marc Gasol never seemed to move quick, but he was a defensive beast against quick shooting teams like the Bucks and Warriors in the playoffs. I'm not sure if Ware gets run off the court in the NBA, or is just mature enough to slow it down and let the game develop. There was one blocked shot in that highlight reel where he's under the rim and just stands there as a guy tries to pump fake him.

Yes his discipline as a shot blocker on that play is an advanced display of interior defense. There are 7 footers in the NBA that don't play like 7 footers but when Ware is on he plays every bit of his listed height and other teams can feel it. I still have issues with his motor so figuring out where he should be taken where the reward outweighs the risk will be tough.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

When you really look at Ryan Dunn's stats, he's shooting such low volumes I don't think you can credibly say he can't shoot at all. He's shooting like 54% from FT but its just multiple games going 1/2 or 1/3.

I think I'd swing at him with the Indiana pick and hope someone like D. Carter drops to 31

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When you really look at Ryan Dunn's stats, he's shooting such low volumes I don't think you can credibly say he can't shoot at all. He's shooting like 54% from FT but its just multiple games going 1/2 or 1/3.

I think I'd swing at him with the Indiana pick and hope someone like D. Carter drops to 31

Absolutely, Dunn is more recently being mocked in the 2nd round and people are forgetting what the guy is capable of. Regardless of what people want to say about his shot, he's not such a limited offensive player. People think he's just a lob threat and a guy who cleans up the glass but he can put the ball on the floor and attack the rim quite proficiently. I think his shot is very correctable. I felt the same way about Anthony Black's shot last year and he's now stroking it when he gets open looks from deep. Dunn may never get to that level but if he can shoot it at a 34-35% clip he'll be ok.

If you take a guy like him and put him at SF and his offensive arsenal becomes cuts, lob finishes, attacking off the bounce from time to time, spot up baseline jumpers and have the added bonus of how good he is at limiting turnovers (underrated part of his game for there exist many non-playmakers who also turn it over like crazy due to sloppiness) there could be something very special there. Barlowe suggested that he should see minutes as a small ball 5 which is writing off his ability completely but then again it's Barlowe. Absolutely no reason he can't see action as a 3 and just defer to others while working on his spot up shooting and presenting himself as a target in motion attacking the rim. His defense and rebounding is that good that he should be able to secure productive bench minutes early in that capacity while maintaining a high base FG% with limited USG while he works on his shot and developing all areas of his game.

The comparisons to Matisse Thybulle are total BS as Dunn is more efficient and capable on the offensive end and also an infinitely better rebounder and probably shot blocker as well. Easily take him on my team over Ochai Agbaji.

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This is not a guy with as limited and problematic of an offensive game as many would have you believe. Able to put the ball on the floor quickly and attack with power and hangtime, reverse finish and shows touch near the rim.

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Post#1054 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Feb 3, 2024 10:04 pm

Sheppard's full court passing is Kevin Love-esque in terms of willingness to make those passes and accuracy.

Still have to keep expectations reasonable when it comes to his overall outlook though but it's a cool part of Sheppard's game.

[Dalek]

Mackenzie Mgbako is flying under-the-radar on Indiana because of Kel'el Ware, but, he looks like a legitimate first round prospect.

Background:
6'8 / Nigerian-American background
Former 5 star recruit
Former McDonald's All American
Lethal shooter in high school

He originally had a verbal commitment to Duke. Then Kyle Filipowski decided to come back and that likely impacted his decision to instead go to Indiana. He is a potential Big 10 Freshman of the Year averaging: 12/4/1 on fairly average shooting splits 41/34/81.

Through his first five games with IU, he shot just 32 percent from the field and 7.7 percent from 3-point range for 5.0 points per game. He is peaking at the right time as over the past five games he is averaging 16.4 PPG on 45/41/74.

I think he projects as a stretch four in college but could see some time at the three in the NBA. Honestly, I think he can expand his game with development. He reminds me a lot of Keegan Murray who had a much worse first year at Iowa until he blew up in year two. At worst, I think he can become a Naz Reid type of stretch four.

I read that his goal is to be a one and done, so it really only takes one team to like his game which I think will translate well to the NBA. He is still going to need G-League time as any prospect, but I predict that he ends up a good rotation player and worth a first.

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Mike Woodson has good info about him:

“For a freshman, and where we started with this young man and where he is today, I’m happy as hell,” Woodson said on his radio show Monday. “He’s improving, right in front of us.”

“He’s very strong,” Woodson said. “He’s gotten more and-ones this year than probably anybody on our team. So I’m pleased with that. You’ve got to have somebody on your team that can break somebody down and go get fouled, and he’s a pretty good free-throw shooter. So that helps. You get fouled, you’ve got to go to to the line and make them.”

“He still has a ways to go, in terms of his defense. We’re just trying to get him where he’s comfortable on the floor defensively,” Woodson said. “Cause sometimes plays happen so fast for these young guys, they don’t see it. And as you go through the Big Ten, you’ll start to figure that part of it out.”

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/mackenzie-mgbako-is-reaching-a-new-level-offensively-late-in-indianas-season-with-room-still-to-grow/

[WuTang_CMB]

Still really on Tyson for Indy pick. Got a higher floor than most and will fit darko system

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[planetmars]

Dunn and Ware are my choices for the Pacers pick. Dunn is my preferred pick. I think he can be a fine corner 3 specialist like OG was. Ware reminds me of Jarrett Allen. Would like to see him next to Kelly off the bench and hopefully replace Jak in a 2-3 years.

But ultimately defense is what I'm looking for out of this draft.

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Post#1054 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Feb 3, 2024 10:04 pm

Sheppard's full court passing is Kevin Love-esque in terms of willingness to make those passes and accuracy.

Still have to keep expectations reasonable when it comes to his overall outlook though but it's a cool part of Sheppard's game.

This is also a very bad pass to be throwing in the NBA. It will get picked off 9/10 times.

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This is not a guy with as limited and problematic of an offensive game as many would have you believe. Able to put the ball on the floor quickly and attack with power and hangtime, reverse finish and shows touch near the rim.

Is he like a Rui Hachermera type ? That's the vibes i got

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This is not a guy with as limited and problematic of an offensive game as many would have you believe. Able to put the ball on the floor quickly and attack with power and hangtime, reverse finish and shows touch near the rim.

Is he like a Rui Hachermera type ? That's the vibes i got

I see Herb Jones who struggled quite a bit with his shot. The problem is having Jak and Scottie with this kid. He is not likely ever going to be a great shooter so you have to live with the bad floor spacing. It could crater the offense.

I'd advocate for drafting a 3/4 who can shoot and defend if we cannot get a stretch five. Trent is on the small side and not super versatile, and I don't think Gradey will ever start given his defensive issues.

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sooo... i know its not 2024 NBA draft worth but 2027 --> Wemby's brother Oscar Wembanyama ? 16 and 6'8"

project late first round pick at the moment.

[ArthurVandelay]

Dillingham reminds me a lot of Kemba.

That's usually the ceiling in the player's prime for those types whether it's Maxey or Kemba or even an Iverson, +4 to +5 OBPM with -1.5 to -1 DBPM. That's what a team drafting Dillingham is going to hope for. I'm starting to realize it's a very acceptable bet to make very early this year.

Kemba’s last college season his DBPM was 3.9.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Kyle Filipowski might actually be worth a top 5 selection if you don't believe in a bunch of the mainstream consensus top guys as anything more than largely spot up/transition guys. There are some important things to consider with Filipowski:

1. RSCI #4 7 footer with dexterity, handle, intelligent passing, evidence of competence shooting and post footwork, rebound and stock producer, capable of showing multiple looks out of the triple threat on the perimeter
2. Reportedly has a very strong work ethic and the massive leap he took from freshman to sophomore seasons is solid evidence of this 2P% from .505 to .562, 3P% from .282 to .354, AST% from 11.4 to 18.5, BLK% from 2.7 to 5.7
3. With passing rapidly improving with a modest decrease in TO% and having averaged 5.2 AST/G in high school, there could be sneaky hidden potential for him to explode as a facilitator at the NBA level, giving him ~20/9/6 type of potential at his absolute greatest outcome.

In order for Filipowski to separate himself from a Kelly Olynyk at the pro level he will need to continue to develop in particular on the defensive end. It does seem like he could be a better rebounder and shot blocker than Kelly and has demonstrated some improved interior defense using verticality and sound fundamentals to improve on that end since his freshman season.

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Incredible film, Ware is really really impressing

That was actually one of the more impressive game highlights I've watched this draft. Court awareness, feel for the game, shooting, etc. To my eyes, he looks like a better prospect than Buzelis.

I can't tell if he's slow or patient/mature. Marc Gasol never seemed to move quick, but he was a defensive beast against quick shooting teams like the Bucks and Warriors in the playoffs. I'm not sure if Ware gets run off the court in the NBA, or is just mature enough to slow it down and let the game develop. There was one blocked shot in that highlight reel where he's under the rim and just stands there as a guy tries to pump fake him.

Although I want a wing, if he's there at the Pacers pick, we should take him. He's the new version of a modern big. Those lanky vertical spacing shot blockers.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Getting Dunn and Ware would be a successful draft imo. I wouldn't mind moving on from Jakob to make it happen either. He can't be the C of the future next to Scottie so holding on to him passed this summer doesn't make sense imo