Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[drsd]

Allen cant handle the ball he is not upgrade for Fultz

Neither Allen nor Monk would play PG for Orlando. If either of them "handles the ball" playing for Orlando, there is a bigger problem.

Yeah... who here said anything about handling the ball?

Ummm ....

[cedric76]

A DM / suggs backcourt would be so sexy

[CarraT]

They both shoot 3's...Harris, even as a starter in DEN, playing 30+ mpg, only attempted more than 5 3's per game in one season...and, most other years, including all of his time in ORL, he attempted considerably less.

Allen, playing considerably less minutes (until recently) routinely hunts 3's more aggressively and right now is at his efficient peak. Looking at them, Grayson looks bigger but listed measurements don't really bear that out. Either way, unless the money is WAY off - I think Grayson could really be peaking as THE premier off-ball shooter this year and ready to carry that on for a couple more years.

I always wanted Gary (who clearly is a good shooter) to be more proactive in getting up 3's - but that's just not who he is. I'm happy to keep Gary as 3rd SG if the deal is minimal and trades dictate that a higher ceiling young guy (specifically Jett!) isn't there. Gary is pretty reliable, pretty solid, pretty unimportant for this team...Honestly, Kevon or Queen's toughness in that spot would be more than sufficient.

As ORL improves, the rotation should tighten anyway...Having a really good 11th man will become less of an available luxury as the money flows to the top of the roster.

Stats dont back this up.
Gary Harris, in his 4 seasons with Orlando, averaged 6.1 3PA and 13.1 points per 36 mins.
Grayson Allen, this season, averages same 6.1 3PA per 36 mins. He´s just a bit more efficient, leading to whole point more per 36 mins (14.1).
Is he better than Harris? Probably yes. But he really is not a lot better, quite the same type of player.
I´d rather take a swing with Monk, who is playing way more like a lead guard. I still would love to get Allen as the Suggs Backup, but we already have AB for that.

Per 36 is ...that's not equalizing stats, that's ignoring why a player isn't playing more (or less). Admittedly, roster construction is a factor but Mo Bamba's early HOF per 36 stats have soured me forever on the concept. Grayson IS clearly a better player and better shooter than Harris (who is good too)...the question is how much better and how much money?

per36 min is bad when you compare dead end bench guys to starters. But its good to compare 23mpg guys with 33 mpg guys.
And its even better to take a look if hypotheses like "player A is hunting 3s more aggresvilely than player B" are true. If that would be the case, you could back it up statwise. But here, you cant. He is a better shooter, yes. But not by a lot. And his profile is too similar to Suggs. We already have a legit 3+D starting SG. Lets get a lead guard to complete our S5. Allen will be too expensive to have him as Suggs backup.

[zaymon]

Neither Allen nor Monk would play PG for Orlando. If either of them "handles the ball" playing for Orlando, there is a bigger problem.

Yeah... who here said anything about handling the ball?

Ummm ....

I said and i am right. Look at game against NYK if you want an exemple. We would lose even if Black and Harris were hitting 3s. Our offense is so one sided and predictable when we dont have guards who can dribble. Allen doesnt change it at all.

[p0peye]

Allen is not an upgrade over Fultz, but then again, not many people are. Let's be realistic, we can't get CP3 back in his prime. It is much more pressing to upgrade other slots, like SG or C.

[zaymon]

Allen is not an upgrade over Fultz, but then again, not many people are. Let's be realistic, we can't get CP3 back in his prime. It is much more pressing to upgrade other slots, like SG or C.

Maybe if we can convince Elfrid Payton to return to nba ?

[p0peye]

Allen is not an upgrade over Fultz, but then again, not many people are. Let's be realistic, we can't get CP3 back in his prime. It is much more pressing to upgrade other slots, like SG or C.

Maybe if we can convince Elfrid Payton to return to nba ?

April is around the corner. Can they play together?

[RookieStar]

Neither Allen nor Monk would play PG for Orlando. If either of them "handles the ball" playing for Orlando, there is a bigger problem.

Yeah... who here said anything about handling the ball?

Ummm ....

Well... iw allen can do that 8-12 3pt barrage, it sure coudlve helped Paolo

[Skybox]

A DM / suggs backcourt would be so sexy

Yep. I think this is the answer and we should have been watching it already. ATL pulled back because LAL and others will have more picks available to trade this summer. My assumption is that ORL didn’t even inquire. LAL was bidding against no one. The price will be higher, imo, because we didn’t go to market while we had advantages. The more you look, the more you have to acknowledge that Murray is on a whole different overall value and impact level than guys like Monk or Grayson. Monk is a better Cole. Grayson is a better Harris…aim higher ORL.

Murray scores way more overall (ppg is a real thing), legitimately runs PG without a lot of “maybes” and “ifs”, and is a MUCH better defender than either of those two.

To me, it’s Murray or Simons (or Garland?)…the other guys are nice but relatively inconsequential to the team’s relevance in the league.

[RichCollab]

A DM / suggs backcourt would be so sexy

Yep. I think this is the answer and we should have been watching it already. ATL pulled back because LAL and others will have more picks available to trade this summer. My assumption is that ORL didn’t even inquire. LAL was bidding against no one. The price will be higher, imo, because we didn’t go to market while we had advantages. The more you look, the more you have to acknowledge that Murray is on a whole different overall value and impact level than guys like Monk or Grayson. Monk is a better Cole. Grayson is a better Harris…aim higher ORL.

Murray scores way more overall (ppg is a real thing), legitimately runs PG without a lot of “maybes” and “ifs”, and is a MUCH better defender than either of those two.

To me, it’s Murray or Simons (or Garland?)…the other guys are nice but relatively inconsequential to the team’s relevance in the league.

ALT isn’t moving DM any longer.

[Skybox]

A DM / suggs backcourt would be so sexy

Yep. I think this is the answer and we should have been watching it already. ATL pulled back because LAL and others will have more picks available to trade this summer. My assumption is that ORL didn’t even inquire. LAL was bidding against no one. The price will be higher, imo, because we didn’t go to market while we had advantages. The more you look, the more you have to acknowledge that Murray is on a whole different overall value and impact level than guys like Monk or Grayson. Monk is a better Cole. Grayson is a better Harris…aim higher ORL.

Murray scores way more overall (ppg is a real thing), legitimately runs PG without a lot of “maybes” and “ifs”, and is a MUCH better defender than either of those two.

To me, it’s Murray or Simons (or Garland?)…the other guys are nice but relatively inconsequential to the team’s relevance in the league.

ALT isn’t moving DM any longer.

Right…because the TD passed…that’s what we’d say too.

[RookieStar]

Yep. I think this is the answer and we should have been watching it already. ATL pulled back because LAL and others will have more picks available to trade this summer. My assumption is that ORL didn’t even inquire. LAL was bidding against no one. The price will be higher, imo, because we didn’t go to market while we had advantages. The more you look, the more you have to acknowledge that Murray is on a whole different overall value and impact level than guys like Monk or Grayson. Monk is a better Cole. Grayson is a better Harris…aim higher ORL.

Murray scores way more overall (ppg is a real thing), legitimately runs PG without a lot of “maybes” and “ifs”, and is a MUCH better defender than either of those two.

To me, it’s Murray or Simons (or Garland?)…the other guys are nice but relatively inconsequential to the team’s relevance in the league.

ALT isn’t moving DM any longer.

Right…because the TD passed…that’s what we’d say too.

Noooo... because personally I agree with a lot here that says its Trae that they will move not DM. They have no intention of letting DM go.

[The-Stallion70]

We are going to need someone better than Tyus fcking Jones if we are going to make the team better.

It's like our fan base has gotten used to the limp dick Orlando Front office and don't realize what a good aggressive front office does like Miami or Dallas.

Mark Cuban sees a star somewhere else in the league, he says "Go get him"

So they trade for Kyrie

They trade for KP

They tried to trade for Kuzma

Stupid Minnesota front office gives a max to Wiggins and not Jimmy. So then Pat Riley says, cone our team we aren't stupid we'll pay you what you're worth.

Then they find Adebayo, Herro and Jaquez at non lottery picks and push hard to get Lillard but fail.

Now that the team has talent on it we can't settle for this little stuff

Tyus fcking Jones lol

[RichCollab]

We are going to need someone better than Tyus fcking Jones if we are going to make the team better.

It's like our fan base has gotten used to the limp dick Orlando Front office and don't realize what a good aggressive front office does like Miami or Dallas.

Mark Cuban sees a star somewhere else in the league, he says "Go get him"

So they trade for Kyrie

They trade for KP

They tried to trade for Kuzma

Stupid Minnesota front office gives a max to Wiggins and not Jimmy. So then Pat Riley says, cone our team we aren't stupid we'll pay you what you're worth.

Then they find Adebayo, Herro and Jaquez at non lottery picks and push hard to get Lillard but fail.

Now that the team has talent on it we can't settle for this little stuff

Tyus fcking Jones lol

I’m 1000% happy we aren’t like Dallas. They shoot themselves in the foot so much.

Bruson and Porzingis come to mind. They haven’t put a team around Luka yet.

[byeganyo]

We are going to need someone better than Tyus fcking Jones if we are going to make the team better.

It's like our fan base has gotten used to the limp dick Orlando Front office and don't realize what a good aggressive front office does like Miami or Dallas.

Mark Cuban sees a star somewhere else in the league, he says "Go get him"

So they trade for Kyrie

They trade for KP

They tried to trade for Kuzma

Stupid Minnesota front office gives a max to Wiggins and not Jimmy. So then Pat Riley says, cone our team we aren't stupid we'll pay you what you're worth.

Then they find Adebayo, Herro and Jaquez at non lottery picks and push hard to get Lillard but fail.

Now that the team has talent on it we can't settle for this little stuff

Tyus fcking Jones lol

I’m 1000% happy we aren’t like Dallas. They shoot themselves in the foot so much.

Bruson and Porzingis come to mind. They haven’t put a team around Luka yet.

They shoot themselves in the foot, yet they trade on draft day for Luka and made the conference finals just 2 years ago. Even a "bad" front office has done a lot more than us lately.

[MasterGMer]

We are going to need someone better than Tyus fcking Jones if we are going to make the team better.

It's like our fan base has gotten used to the limp dick Orlando Front office and don't realize what a good aggressive front office does like Miami or Dallas.

Mark Cuban sees a star somewhere else in the league, he says "Go get him"

So they trade for Kyrie

They trade for KP

They tried to trade for Kuzma

Stupid Minnesota front office gives a max to Wiggins and not Jimmy. So then Pat Riley says, cone our team we aren't stupid we'll pay you what you're worth.

Then they find Adebayo, Herro and Jaquez at non lottery picks and push hard to get Lillard but fail.

Now that the team has talent on it we can't settle for this little stuff

Tyus fcking Jones lol

I agree, being patient can be like a double edged sword. But the reality is we have to wait for the right timing to make a move. Are we ready to contend this year? No. Next year? No. And Next? Probably not.

So what are we waiting for? To preserve all our draft assets and rookie contract players. And make a big trade to land a star to play along with Franz and Paolo.

That is what I am waiting on. Some may even say we have to give up one of Franz and Paolo to get that caliber player. But we will see.

Plus Magic will have around 45M in cap space this summer.

To me, it is common sense we have to make a move this upcoming summer and next before we extend Franz, Suggs and Paolo when our cap space goes to Zero.

We are the 5th seed in the East. We can make a big playoff run here.

[eyriq]

We are going to need someone better than Tyus fcking Jones if we are going to make the team better.

It's like our fan base has gotten used to the limp dick Orlando Front office and don't realize what a good aggressive front office does like Miami or Dallas.

Mark Cuban sees a star somewhere else in the league, he says "Go get him"

So they trade for Kyrie

They trade for KP

They tried to trade for Kuzma

Stupid Minnesota front office gives a max to Wiggins and not Jimmy. So then Pat Riley says, cone our team we aren't stupid we'll pay you what you're worth.

Then they find Adebayo, Herro and Jaquez at non lottery picks and push hard to get Lillard but fail.

Now that the team has talent on it we can't settle for this little stuff

Tyus fcking Jones lol

Jeff Weltman has clearly focused on draft pick acquisition, youth & development, and financial flexibility. Do we expect more of the same?

I don't. I expect him to be aggressive in trades, looking for deals that clearly move the needle for the team's competitiveness. I expect a lot more activity via free agency and trades, though with an emphasis on not significantly sacrificing future assets since we are still so young. Long-term sustainability will probably remain the mantra but I think it is reasonable to expect aggressive team building activity that everyone wants yesterday.

[Skybox]

We are going to need someone better than Tyus fcking Jones if we are going to make the team better.

It's like our fan base has gotten used to the limp dick Orlando Front office and don't realize what a good aggressive front office does like Miami or Dallas.

Mark Cuban sees a star somewhere else in the league, he says "Go get him"

So they trade for Kyrie

They trade for KP

They tried to trade for Kuzma

Stupid Minnesota front office gives a max to Wiggins and not Jimmy. So then Pat Riley says, cone our team we aren't stupid we'll pay you what you're worth.

Then they find Adebayo, Herro and Jaquez at non lottery picks and push hard to get Lillard but fail.

Now that the team has talent on it we can't settle for this little stuff

Tyus fcking Jones lol

Jeff Weltman has clearly focused on draft pick acquisition, youth & development, and financial flexibility. Do we expect more of the same?

I don't. I expect him to be aggressive in trades, looking for deals that clearly move the needle for the team's competitiveness. I expect a lot more activity via free agency and trades, though with an emphasis on not significantly sacrificing future assets since we are still so young. Long-term sustainability will probably remain the mantra but I think it is reasonable to expect aggressive team building activity that everyone wants yesterday.

He’s already got and has had “financial flexibility”….he’s created an admirable situation. BUT - If he hangs onto it lovingly for another summer, he’s just hoarding it like Scrooge McDuck. Assets, Resources, and Options are not badges of honor until you do something with them. He can still be Exec of the Year if he has a big summer for us….otherwise, I really question his decisiveness and value to ORL.

[Fortune Teller]

Other than just saying the words financial flexibility, it hasn’t translated to team improvement. Welt rides assets and expiring deals until they’re dead and valueless.

[eyriq]

Other than just saying the words financial flexibility, it hasn’t translated to team improvement. Welt rides assets and expiring deals until they’re dead and valueless.

He's been targeting financial flexibility, not using it. Acquiring young players and draft picks, while focusing on player development and financial flexibility are the focus during the first few stages of a rebuild. Do you really think WePark are going to just carry on with the same focus off-season after off-season?