2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

[WuTang_CMB]

Filipowski 23,7, 3blks, 2stls hit 2 threes. Been solid all year and type of centre we likely taking a hard look at to replenish and learn behind poeltl/olynyk.

[WuTang_CMB]

devin carter is on FIRE and it's so exciting

5-6 (2-3 from downtown) 4 rebounds 1 steal 12 points in first 4.5 MINUTES

24,15reb, 4 assists 38 min

[UnbelievablyRAW]

For as much **** this draft gets, pretty solid starter level guys if they pan out

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Filipowski 23,7, 3blks, 2stls hit 2 threes. Been solid all year and type of centre we likely taking a hard look at to replenish and learn behind poeltl/olynyk.

I think I'd rather take Ware or Ivisic with a later FRP and use the early one on a wing or guard that can boost our bench and compete for a starting role (assuming BB or Jak are moved in the summer before or on the draft)

Don't think any C in this draft will be game changing and is can't miss, and I don't really see the huge gap between the ones mocked in the lottery vs the ones in the late FR

[Son Goku 25]

Please draft big Z

[Yallbecrazy]

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Completely disagree with this assessment in every regard

I haven't studied much of Vecenie, but about half the time I see a take about a prospect that I really disagree with it's Vecenie making it. I also don't remember agreeing with any of his takes either.
Think he had Podz in the 40s or 50s most of the year before moving him into the 30s after the combine.

[ArthurVandelay]

I really like Jamir Watkins on Florida State. He fills the stat sheet and he looks/moves like an NBA player. Very athletic.

Not a great shooting game but able to contribute in so many ways.

16pts, 11reb, 5ast, 4 stl
4/13 (2/8 3pt), 6/8 ft

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[WuTang_CMB]

Filipowski 23,7, 3blks, 2stls hit 2 threes. Been solid all year and type of centre we likely taking a hard look at to replenish and learn behind poeltl/olynyk.

I think I'd rather take Ware or Ivisic with a later FRP and use the early one on a wing or guard that can boost our bench and compete for a starting role (assuming BB or Jak are moved in the summer before or on the draft)

Don't think any C in this draft will be game changing and is can't miss, and I don't really see the huge gap between the ones mocked in the lottery vs the ones in the late FR

I have filipowski ranked ahead. I dont think theres a wing or guard thatsngoing to game change unless Salaun falls to indy pick. Can always move poeltl down the road

[RoteSchroder]

Please draft big Z

Unless he shows improvement (apparently he's still getting into shape), he might be there at the Detroit pick.

It seems like he's still struggling a bit with the knocks on him in the past 2 drafts. 3 out of 4 of his good games have been against weak defensive teams.

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article286074336.html

His three best performances came against Georgia, Vanderbilt and Alabama — three teams in the bottom half of the SEC in defensive efficiency. To give a point of reference, all three have been worse than Kentucky on the defensive end this season. (And Vandy has been worse than just about everyone in high-major basketball.)

None of those teams are particularly physical, from a skilled, defensive perspective. All played defensive styles that, according to Calipari, his versatile 7-2 freshman could exploit.

There's a lot less info on Zvonimir's twin brother Tomislav. He supposedly performed better than Zvonimir on the international teams they were in together.

https://belgradescout.blogspot.com/2024/02/tomislav-ivisic-mid-season-202324.html

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Completely disagree with this assessment in every regard

I haven't studied much of Vecenie, but about half the time I see a take about a prospect that I really disagree with it's Vecenie making it. I also don't remember agreeing with any of his takes either.
Think he had Podz in the 40s or 50s most of the year before moving him into the 30s after the combine.

I just thought a comment like that on that play was ridiculous, I've seen Reed drive and decide to bail out and turn the ball over in situations like that play many times this year. This time he continued the drive and got lucky with a slow wraparound pass, so to pass it off as some kind of genius play was ridiculous to me. The time it took for that pass to arrive combined with the defender ballwatching, in the NBA that's usually not going to fly especially in a high-stakes game.

I'm not hating on Reed, he's a talented player but he has some real issues which appear to be limitations that a lot of people aren't acknowledging. The only reason I'm pushing back on this is because of the widespread comparisons being made between him and NBA hall of famers with like 50%+ AST% in their prime. I don't believe he's that kind of passer, but he is a great transition and full-court passer and has tricks up his sleeve to help him overcome the size/athleticism and is definitely looking like a prolific shooter and turnover generator and with shooting and taking the ball away being such important traits, that alone gives him value even if he ends up as a SG.

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Just want people to see like at 0:39 when Reed picks up his dribble and gets pressed he crumbles. Any time you play him up close he has struggled some this year.

At 0:51 gets blown by clean, imagine an NBA player with a high release point and elevation on jump shot pulling up for a middy like that. It has more to do with Sheppard being out of position, the second he overcommits with his little jump shuffle in his defensive stance the green light goes on for the guard (is it zeigler or the other one? cant see) and he's off to the races. Reed can sometimes recover and strip the ball, but you don't want to have to be bailing yourself out like that.

2:51 where Knecht blows by

3:18 another blow by, 4:32 same

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I really like Jamir Watkins on Florida State. He fills the stat sheet and he looks/moves like an NBA player. Very athletic.

Not a great shooting game but able to contribute in so many ways.

16pts, 11reb, 5ast, 4 stl
4/13 (2/8 3pt), 6/8 ft

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He teases you by stuffing the stat sheet until you realize his offense is not that good. He won't be a 27.2 USG player with a .562 FTR in the NBA. He should get some real good looks though but my bet is that teams will be patient waiting for his offense to come around and it won't.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Big Z seems like the ultimate video game dream player tease. People will say "but Alperen Sengun!", but Ivisic is not Sengun.

[manjusaka]

Completely disagree with this assessment in every regard

I haven't studied much of Vecenie, but about half the time I see a take about a prospect that I really disagree with it's Vecenie making it. I also don't remember agreeing with any of his takes either.
Think he had Podz in the 40s or 50s most of the year before moving him into the 30s after the combine.

I just thought a comment like that on that play was ridiculous, I've seen Reed drive and decide to bail out and turn the ball over in situations like that play many times this year. This time he continued the drive and got lucky with a slow wraparound pass, so to pass it off as some kind of genius play was ridiculous to me. The time it took for that pass to arrive combined with the defender ballwatching, in the NBA that's usually not going to fly especially in a high-stakes game.

I'm not hating on Reed, he's a talented player but he has some real issues which appear to be limitations that a lot of people aren't acknowledging. The only reason I'm pushing back on this is because of the widespread comparisons being made between him and NBA hall of famers with like 50%+ AST% in their prime. I don't believe he's that kind of passer, but he is a great transition and full-court passer and has tricks up his sleeve to help him overcome the size/athleticism and is definitely looking like a prolific shooter and turnover generator and with shooting and taking the ball away being such important traits, that alone gives him value even if he ends up as a SG.

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Just want people to see like at 0:39 when Reed picks up his dribble and gets pressed he crumbles. Any time you play him up close he has struggled some this year.

At 0:51 gets blown by clean, imagine an NBA player with a high release point and elevation on jump shot pulling up for a middy like that. It has more to do with Sheppard being out of position, the second he overcommits with his little jump shuffle in his defensive stance the green light goes on for the guard (is it zeigler or the other one? cant see) and he's off to the races. Reed can sometimes recover and strip the ball, but you don't want to have to be bailing yourself out like that.

2:51 where Knecht blows by

3:18 another blow by, 4:32 same

His shooting ability gives him a high floor, and should fill the stats sheet just fine. When he did fill up the stats, people will just ignore his defensive liabilities, for example Trae Young.

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Completely disagree with this assessment in every regard

I haven't studied much of Vecenie, but about half the time I see a take about a prospect that I really disagree with it's Vecenie making it. I also don't remember agreeing with any of his takes either.
Think he had Podz in the 40s or 50s most of the year before moving him into the 30s after the combine.

but that isn't his opinion.

if you read the tweet, you will see that is what some NBA execs believe.

Sam compares Reed Sheppard to FVV/Kyle Lowry

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[HangTime]

I'd take Kel'el Ware from Indiana, with the Indiana pick.

[ArthurVandelay]

I really like Jamir Watkins on Florida State. He fills the stat sheet and he looks/moves like an NBA player. Very athletic.

Not a great shooting game but able to contribute in so many ways.

16pts, 11reb, 5ast, 4 stl
4/13 (2/8 3pt), 6/8 ft

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He teases you by stuffing the stat sheet until you realize his offense is not that good. He won't be a 27.2 USG player with a .562 FTR in the NBA. He should get some real good looks though but my bet is that teams will be patient waiting for his offense to come around and it won't.

I know his offence isn’t that good, but look at the progression from when he was a freshman. He could carve out a very good NBA career. I’m not pegging him to be a star but, and this is the hard part for us keyboard warriors to know, if he has a strong work ethic he should continue to improve. Nothing in his game is broken and he’s a tremendous athlete. I would consider him at 31, but wouldn’t be first choice. If he goes undrafted, he’d be the first call I’d make.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I really like Jamir Watkins on Florida State. He fills the stat sheet and he looks/moves like an NBA player. Very athletic.

Not a great shooting game but able to contribute in so many ways.

16pts, 11reb, 5ast, 4 stl
4/13 (2/8 3pt), 6/8 ft

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

He teases you by stuffing the stat sheet until you realize his offense is not that good. He won't be a 27.2 USG player with a .562 FTR in the NBA. He should get some real good looks though but my bet is that teams will be patient waiting for his offense to come around and it won't.

I know his offence isn’t that good, but look at the progression from when he was a freshman. He could carve out a very good NBA career. I’m not pegging him to be a star but, and this is the hard part for us keyboard warriors to know, if he has a strong work ethic he should continue to improve. Nothing in his game is broken and he’s a tremendous athlete. I would consider him at 31, but wouldn’t be first choice. If he goes undrafted, he’d be the first call I’d make.

Oh definitely, he has produced against tough competition shown rapid improvement and is a great athlete, there's a lot to like in terms of him finding a way to stick but I'm not convinced his offense is going to come around to a level he'll be a starting caliber player so that sounds about his range.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Is Murray-Boyles going to declare this year?

He needs a lot of work if he’s going to be an NBA player, but right now his defense is ahead of Ryan Dunn’s was as a freshman, which is saying A LOT. He’s giving me AK47 or Millsap type vibes. If he can learn how to shoot he’s a lottery talent.

[Psubs]

Big Z seems like the ultimate video game dream player tease. People will say "but Alperen Sengun!", but Ivisic is not Sengun.

Kristaps Porzingis 2.0

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/zvonimir-ivisic-establishing-himself-kentucky-primary-center/

In the last 4 games (all wins), earning 20 mpg for 9.5 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 2.3 blocks.

“He’s worked, he’s earned it,” Assistant coach Chuck Martin said on Friday. “He’s really worked hard in practice, it’s taken him some time to catch up. He’s a talented young man, but he was behind. Physically, he was out of shape. I think the first night where he played at Rupp (against Georgia) was an electric night for all of us because we have not seen anything like that.

“But the reality is he was not in shape. He still had to learn how we play offensively and defensively. So he’s starting to catch up now and our guys are starting to feel more comfortable playing with him. He’s just a unique player. He can pick-and-pop and shoot the three. He can short-roll to the elbows and the free throw line and facilitate, which he’s done a few times. And because of his size he can roll all the way to the rim and catch lobs.”

Please draft big Z

Ya, I'd be happy with Ivisic, Ware or Tyler Smith with the Indiana pick.

[ArthurVandelay]

He teases you by stuffing the stat sheet until you realize his offense is not that good. He won't be a 27.2 USG player with a .562 FTR in the NBA. He should get some real good looks though but my bet is that teams will be patient waiting for his offense to come around and it won't.

I know his offence isn’t that good, but look at the progression from when he was a freshman. He could carve out a very good NBA career. I’m not pegging him to be a star but, and this is the hard part for us keyboard warriors to know, if he has a strong work ethic he should continue to improve. Nothing in his game is broken and he’s a tremendous athlete. I would consider him at 31, but wouldn’t be first choice. If he goes undrafted, he’d be the first call I’d make.

Oh definitely, he has produced against tough competition shown rapid improvement and is a great athlete, there's a lot to like in terms of him finding a way to stick but I'm not convinced his offense is going to come around to a level he'll be a starting caliber player so that sounds about his range.

I think he can be a rotational player. If you get that from a second rounder or an UDFA, that is a major win.