BKN - SAC

[bpcox05]

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BKN Gets: Kevin Huerter & 2025 POR 2nd
BKN Gives: Dorian Finney-Smith
Why for BKN? The Nets are currently 13 games under .500 and are probably a few years out before being able to compete in the East. However, since HOU owns a lot of their 1sts, they can’t simply bottom out and rely on rebuilding in the draft. With that in mind, Finney-Smith will be 31 at the start of next year and may not end up being a big part of this team when they’re ready to compete years down the road. He’ll also essentially be an expiring (I don’t see him picking up his PO for the 2025-26 season) which could result in BKN losing him for nothing or having to give him a raise that could cut into their 2025 cap space. Instead, they take on Huerter who will be 26 at the start of next year and is on the same timeline as a lot of their core (Bridges, Johnson, Claxton, etc.). He’s also on a 2 cheap 2 year deal allowing them to keep a solid rotational piece while going star shopping in free agency during the 2025 off-season. Huerter, Bridges, and Johnson is a lot of shooting. A star could find that attractive knowing how spaced the floor would be. They also get a likely early 2nd round pick in 2025 to give them another cheap asset to round out the roster.

PG - Schroder / Smith
SG - Huerter / Thomas
SF - Bridges / Whitehead / Bates-Diop
PF - Johnson / Simmons / Clowney / Wilson
C - Claxton / Sharpe

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SAC Gets: Dorian Finney-Smith
SAC Gives: Kevin Huerter & 2025 POR 2nd
Why for Kings? The Kings are searching for a long, versatile PF that can defend at a high level, help protect the rim/paint a bit, and can space the floor. Finney-Smith fits this description fairly well and would certainly be an upgrade defensively and size-wise over Barnes in the starting lineup. Keon Ellis has been playing very well this year for the Kings and actually has a longer wingspan and standing reach than Huerter. The Kings could promote Ellis to Huerter’s starting SG spot giving them another solid ball handler who is an excellent defender that can space the floor effectively. Fox, Ellis, Murray, and Finney-Smith would be a lot of length, versatility, defense, and shooting around Sabonis. This would also give the Kings an excellent bench headlined by Monk (assuming we can resign him) and Barnes. The team will still be setup to allow Murray the space to grow into that go-to option the Kings need to get to that next level. However, if he doesn’t continue to progress in that direction, the Kings would still have all of their future 1sts in tact to go out and find that type of player.

PG - Fox / Mitchell
SG - Ellis / Monk / Jones
SF - Murray / Barnes / Duarte
PF - Finney-Smith / Vezenkov
C - Sabonis / Lyles

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[psman2]

I think Brooklyn would much prefer any expiring and a 1st here. Kevin Huerter's game has fallen off this year and I think Brooklyn would rather have nothing(cap space) than him on the books 25/26.

If a 3rd team would give value for Huerter here then maybe this has legs, but as is I don't think it works for Brooklyn.

[LightTheBeam]

I think Brooklyn would much prefer any expiring and a 1st here. Kevin Huerter's game has fallen off this year and I think Brooklyn would rather have nothing(cap space) than him on the books 25/26.

If a 3rd team would give value for Huerter here then maybe this has legs, but as is I don't think it works for Brooklyn.

I agree but Is anyone offering this?

I mean I know there were reports dating back to 2023 deadline that they had some big offers. I'm just curious if those offers were there this season?

I'm betting teams offered expirings + 4-5 2nds. If teams offered a 1st, DFS shouldn't be a Net today.

[psman2]

I think Brooklyn would much prefer any expiring and a 1st here. Kevin Huerter's game has fallen off this year and I think Brooklyn would rather have nothing(cap space) than him on the books 25/26.

If a 3rd team would give value for Huerter here then maybe this has legs, but as is I don't think it works for Brooklyn.

I agree but Is anyone offering this?

I mean I know there were reports dating back to 2023 deadline that they had some big offers. I'm just curious if those offers were there this season?

I'm betting teams offered expirings + 4-5 2nds. If teams offered a 1st, DFS shouldn't be a Net today.

Yes I think a 1st/expiring has a high likelihood of happening still. I think the Nets overplayed their hand in hoping for a stronger 1st. DFS is not and has never been worth 2 1sts or a pick close to the lottery but a projected later 1st or well protected future 1st like top 18 I think has a good chance of happening.

But I would still take 4-5 2nds/expiring over Huerter and a single 2nd. Brooklyn is all in on cap space route. Huerter is fine when you are not worried about maximizing cap space but for Brooklyn he simply doesn't make sense, thus if a 3rd team could give value/expiring for Huerter then your offer might make sense.

[LightTheBeam]

I think Brooklyn would much prefer any expiring and a 1st here. Kevin Huerter's game has fallen off this year and I think Brooklyn would rather have nothing(cap space) than him on the books 25/26.

If a 3rd team would give value for Huerter here then maybe this has legs, but as is I don't think it works for Brooklyn.

I agree but Is anyone offering this?

I mean I know there were reports dating back to 2023 deadline that they had some big offers. I'm just curious if those offers were there this season?

I'm betting teams offered expirings + 4-5 2nds. If teams offered a 1st, DFS shouldn't be a Net today.

Yes I think a 1st/expiring has a high likelihood of happening still. I think the Nets overplayed their hand in hoping for a stronger 1st. DFS is not and has never been worth 2 1sts or a pick close to the lottery but a projected later 1st or well protected future 1st like top 18 I think has a good chance of happening.

But I would still take 4-5 2nds/expiring over Huerter and a single 2nd. Brooklyn is all in on cap space route. Huerter is fine when you are not worried about maximizing cap space but for Brooklyn he simply doesn't make sense, thus if a 3rd team could give value/expiring for Huerter then your offer might make sense.

I think we have entered into a new type of league.

Almost all of the contenders who would want DFS owe 1sts elsewhere. It becomes really hard to envision these teams limiting what future picks they can trade and finding tradable salary.

You could probably convince me of a draft day trade where Boston sends Horford/Springer/30 for DFS. Outside of that it's hard to find a contender with matching salaries + assets.

I think ultimately Brooklyn continues to overplay that hand, and ends up doing a Royce O'Neale part two next deadline.

From the Kings - Brooklyn, I don't disagree with your stance. I've always said the offer should be Duarte + Mitchell (both expirings) + a handful of 2nds. One being the Portland 2nd that should be high. Will that be enough? I'm not sure. But I think thats the best for both teams that we could reasonably offer.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I think multiple teams will offer a 2025 first for SFS still. Including Dallas.. And teams will have the ability to trade their 2024 first for DFS, so add a few teams.

Brooklyn should pretty easily pass here.

[SNPA]

DFS is not the answer for Sac.

[bpcox05]

DFS is not the answer for Sac.

What do you mean by “answer” exactly?

[SNPA]

DFS is not the answer for Sac.

What do you mean by “answer” exactly?

Starting PF on the frontline with Sabonis/Murray.

He isn’t worth spending assets on. It’s not enough of an upgrade.

[bpcox05]

DFS is not the answer for Sac.

What do you mean by “answer” exactly?

Starting PF on the frontline with Sabonis/Murray.

He isn’t worth spending assets on. It’s not enough of an upgrade.

Finney-Smith isn’t worth spending any assets on?

[SNPA]

What do you mean by “answer” exactly?

Starting PF on the frontline with Sabonis/Murray.

He isn’t worth spending assets on. It’s not enough of an upgrade.

Finney-Smith isn’t worth spending any assets on?

Nope. He doesn’t solve the problem. Why spend assets?

[bpcox05]

Starting PF on the frontline with Sabonis/Murray.

He isn’t worth spending assets on. It’s not enough of an upgrade.

Finney-Smith isn’t worth spending any assets on?

Nope. He doesn’t solve the problem. Why spend assets?

What problem do you think he doesn’t solve?

[SNPA]

Finney-Smith isn’t worth spending any assets on?

Nope. He doesn’t solve the problem. Why spend assets?

What problem do you think he doesn’t solve?

Let me put it in reverse…what problem does he solve, so much better than what Sac has, which makes him worth the effort and time?

He is a backup PF. Kings need a specific type of starting PF that pairs with Sabonis.

[bpcox05]

Nope. He doesn’t solve the problem. Why spend assets?

What problem do you think he doesn’t solve?

Let me put it in reverse…what problem does he solve, so much better than what Sac has, which makes him worth the effort and time?

He is a backup PF. Kings need a specific type of starting PF that pairs with Sabonis.

Well you mentioned that he doesn’t solve “the” problem. I’m just curious what you think that problem is?

[SNPA]

What problem do you think he doesn’t solve?

Let me put it in reverse…what problem does he solve, so much better than what Sac has, which makes him worth the effort and time?

He is a backup PF. Kings need a specific type of starting PF that pairs with Sabonis.

Well you mentioned that he doesn’t solve “the” problem. I’m just curious what you think that problem is?

A PF that pairs with Sabonis and Murray. This is a unicorn type player, which is the problem with building around Sabonis.

Kings need a PF that protects the paint, weakside shot blocker, rebounder, able to defend on the perimeter and switchable… who hits threes. All of that, and putting up good starter counting stats.

[bpcox05]

Let me put it in reverse…what problem does he solve, so much better than what Sac has, which makes him worth the effort and time?

He is a backup PF. Kings need a specific type of starting PF that pairs with Sabonis.

Well you mentioned that he doesn’t solve “the” problem. I’m just curious what you think that problem is?

A PF that pairs with Sabonis and Murray. This is a unicorn type player, which is the problem with building around Sabonis.

Kings need a PF that protects the paint, weakside shot blocker, rebounder, able to defend on the perimeter and switchable… who hits threes. All of that, and putting up good starter counting stats.

Who in the league checks those boxes for you?

[SNPA]

Well you mentioned that he doesn’t solve “the” problem. I’m just curious what you think that problem is?

A PF that pairs with Sabonis and Murray. This is a unicorn type player, which is the problem with building around Sabonis.

Kings need a PF that protects the paint, weakside shot blocker, rebounder, able to defend on the perimeter and switchable… who hits threes. All of that, and putting up good starter counting stats.

Who in the league checks those boxes for you?

That’s the problem and the reason to save assets to go all in when the right/best player becomes available.

That player is not DFS.

[bpcox05]

A PF that pairs with Sabonis and Murray. This is a unicorn type player, which is the problem with building around Sabonis.

Kings need a PF that protects the paint, weakside shot blocker, rebounder, able to defend on the perimeter and switchable… who hits threes. All of that, and putting up good starter counting stats.

Who in the league checks those boxes for you?

That’s the problem and the reason to save assets to go all in when the right/best player becomes available.

That player is not DFS.

But who is that player to you?

[SNPA]

Who in the league checks those boxes for you?

That’s the problem and the reason to save assets to go all in when the right/best player becomes available.

That player is not DFS.

But who is that player to you?

Unicorn. It’s a hard archetype to find, which is part of why Sabonis is difficult to build around.

The most ideal fit would be Chet. Then someone like JJJ or McDaniels. But those aren’t happening.

It might need to be addressed through the draft. There are a couple older PF’s this year.

[bpcox05]

That’s the problem and the reason to save assets to go all in when the right/best player becomes available.

That player is not DFS.

But who is that player to you?

Unicorn. It’s a hard archetype to find, which is part of why Sabonis is difficult to build around.

The most ideal fit would be Chet. Then someone like JJJ or McDaniels. But those aren’t happening.

It might need to be addressed through the draft. There are a couple older PF’s this year.

Would you prefer to move Sabonis in that case since acquiring the player you want to play next to him isn’t happening?