2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Week 1 in Brasil v. Iggles

[jakecronus8]

Draft Dejean and Nixon wont be needed as a return guy or DB

[ReasonablySober]

There's no way I want a starting DB returning kicks.

[Frank Nova]

There's no way I want a starting DB returning kicks.

I don’t want any starters back there for kickoffs or punts. There’s a gluttony of fast dynamic athletes around the league now and especially coming out of college these days that can handle those responsibilities that aren’t premiere position players. That’s why I don’t mind having Nixon stick around because he’s not someone that should be starting at CB, he’s a 4/5 guy.

[Ron Swanson]

They could also just tell him he can't do that anymore.

This. 100% on the coaching staff. If he still does it then bench his ass.

I honestly kind of refuse to believe the staff is responsible. It's such a basic ass thing that would have helped the ST last season that I would expect a junior high school coach to get it right.

Why? He kept taking the ball out of the endzone and the staff did nothing to discipline him and kept trotting him out there. What other conclusion can we possibly draw other than the coaching staff doesn't see it as a problem?

[jakecronus8]

There's no way I want a starting DB returning kicks.

I don’t want any starters back there for kickoffs or punts. There’s a gluttony of fast dynamic athletes around the league now and especially coming out of college these days that can handle those responsibilities that aren’t premiere position players. That’s why I don’t mind having Nixon stick around because he’s not someone that should be starting at CB, he’s a 4/5 guy.

I've never understood this. Football is dangerous and guys get non contact injuries all the time. If someone has an incredible skillset you should take advantage of it.

Deion was the best defensive player in the league or among the top 3-5 best nearly the entirety of his career. Imagine wasting his return skills.

[ReasonablySober]

There's no way I want a starting DB returning kicks.

I don’t want any starters back there for kickoffs or punts. There’s a gluttony of fast dynamic athletes around the league now and especially coming out of college these days that can handle those responsibilities that aren’t premiere position players. That’s why I don’t mind having Nixon stick around because he’s not someone that should be starting at CB, he’s a 4/5 guy.

I've never understood this. Football is dangerous and guys get non contact injuries all the time. If someone has an incredible skillset you should take advantage of it.

Deion was the best defensive player in the league or among the top 3-5 best nearly the entirety of his career. Imagine wasting his return skills.

Even Deion stopped returning kickoffs once he became one of the best corners in the league.

[jakecronus8]

I don’t want any starters back there for kickoffs or punts. There’s a gluttony of fast dynamic athletes around the league now and especially coming out of college these days that can handle those responsibilities that aren’t premiere position players. That’s why I don’t mind having Nixon stick around because he’s not someone that should be starting at CB, he’s a 4/5 guy.

I've never understood this. Football is dangerous and guys get non contact injuries all the time. If someone has an incredible skillset you should take advantage of it.

Deion was the best defensive player in the league or among the top 3-5 best nearly the entirety of his career. Imagine wasting his return skills.

Even Deion stopped returning kickoffs once he became one of the best corners in the league.

As a full time guy, yes. I still recall the emotional lift from the team and the crowd when they would run Prime Time out there for the occasional punt return.

[MKE_Hodag22]

There's no way I want a starting DB returning kicks.

I don’t want any starters back there for kickoffs or punts. There’s a gluttony of fast dynamic athletes around the league now and especially coming out of college these days that can handle those responsibilities that aren’t premiere position players. That’s why I don’t mind having Nixon stick around because he’s not someone that should be starting at CB, he’s a 4/5 guy.

I'd be fine with him returning at the right price. Not saying his decision making is always the best, but there's a reason he was All Pro 2 years in a row as a KR.

[jakecronus8]

Any of you guys hear that Green Bay tried to trade for Mckinney at the deadline?

Just saw that rumor. Would bode well for the idea that we’re gonna be in on the bidding war.

[Matches Malone]

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[MKE_Hodag22]

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Assuming health - there's that TE3/Deguara replacement.

[Matches Malone]

Think Davis is mostly a ST ace at this point. I'd be surprised if he took more snaps on offense over Ben Sims this year in that TE3 spot.

[MKE_Hodag22]

Think Davis is mostly a ST ace at this point. I'd be surprised if he took more snaps on offense over Ben Sims this year in that TE3 spot.

ahh - yes good call, somehow forgot about Sims.

[Frank Nova]

There's no way I want a starting DB returning kicks.

I don’t want any starters back there for kickoffs or punts. There’s a gluttony of fast dynamic athletes around the league now and especially coming out of college these days that can handle those responsibilities that aren’t premiere position players. That’s why I don’t mind having Nixon stick around because he’s not someone that should be starting at CB, he’s a 4/5 guy.

I've never understood this. Football is dangerous and guys get non contact injuries all the time. If someone has an incredible skillset you should take advantage of it.

Deion was the best defensive player in the league or among the top 3-5 best nearly the entirety of his career. Imagine wasting his return skills.

I think Deion is a complete outlier here tho. You’re talking about 1 of the most dynamic athletes of all time. His knack for the end zone in general was a special characteristic no one has ever possessed as a defensive player. Having him as a punt returner was just an extension of his pick 6 ability as a DB. What about Devin Hester? He had elite speed and vision but was a lackluster position player unless he ran fly routes as a WR. Finding someone like that to be a return guy is much more plausible than comparing anyone in todays NFL to Deion Sanders.

There’s a reason a rookie RB returns kickoffs until he becomes a full time starter and hands off the return duties to the next man up. Having a full time starter as a returner is just simply a bad idea whether you feel like you’re wasting talent or not. There’s speed for days all over the league that doesn’t translate to good football, find someone with good vision and see what they can do with the ball and open field. The risk of concussion because of high speed collision tackling on special teams is completely unnecessary for skill positional starters.

[Matches Malone]

Just be prepared for the letdown lol

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[coolhandluke121]

There's no way I want a starting DB returning kicks.

I don’t want any starters back there for kickoffs or punts. There’s a gluttony of fast dynamic athletes around the league now and especially coming out of college these days that can handle those responsibilities that aren’t premiere position players. That’s why I don’t mind having Nixon stick around because he’s not someone that should be starting at CB, he’s a 4/5 guy.

I've never understood this. Football is dangerous and guys get non contact injuries all the time. If someone has an incredible skillset you should take advantage of it.

Deion was the best defensive player in the league or among the top 3-5 best nearly the entirety of his career. Imagine wasting his return skills.

I don't really know the analytics on ST injury rates and on the value of field position from punt returns, but I generally assume that most teams know the analytics pretty well and are making the right call by protecting their best players from punt returns.

That said, it does sometimes seem like an average of nearly 10 yards of better field position from (hypothetically) using a guy like Dejean as opposed to, say, Amari Rodgers, might make a big enough difference to justify the risk. However, you start with a fresh set of downs either way, and making productive use of those downs (or causing unproductive downs for the opposing offense, in the case of protecting a DB like Dejean) might objectively add more value per play than an average of 10 yards of field position.

I think modern passing offenses changed the old-school calculus of field position a lot as well.

ETA: Reed might be the answer as the return man, depending on his WR snaps, which depend somewhat on Watson's health.

[RubberSoul]

I don’t like the chances of landing him if it’s a bidding war with the Eagles.


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[LittleRooster]

I’ll be pleasantly shocked if we sign him


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