Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[drsd]

Let's reset this to remind ourselves of players under contract. This is next year's current roster, including the TO (team options) for players who WILL be optioned in to their contract - no matter what: Suggs, Banchero, M-Wagner, and F-Wagner.

xxxx/Anthony/Black
Suggs/xxxx/Howard
F-Wagner/xxxx/Houstan*
Banchero/Isaac*/xxxx
Carter/M-Wagner/xxxx

* = not fully guaranteed

Fultz, Okeke, G-Harris, and Bitadze are all FAs. Ingles has a team option that will (probably) get picked up unless he gets injured late in the season.

So no matter our wants in improving the roster, Orlando must add two guards, a Center, and a combo-big. Yeh, perhaps G-Harris is one of the guards signed. And for the correct pay-line, Bitadze could also be resigned (probably to a deal similar to what M-Wagner got).

What's left? A glowing hole at starting PG. Yes I would rather the Magic get a SG upgrade, but that could simply be via shifting Suggs to an off-ball PG role (like every Bulls team MJ ever played for). In conclusion, this coming off-season is both easy and hard at the same time. The team can easily roll-it-back. If they do, then the aces are being wasted. (starting Black with Suggs next year also wastes the aces).

[CocoaFan]

Let's reset this to remind ourselves of players under contract. This is next year's current roster, including the TO (team options) for players who WILL be optioned in to their contract - no matter what: Suggs, Banchero, M-Wagner, and F-Wagner.

xxxx/Anthony/Black
Suggs/xxxx/Howard
F-Wagner/xxxx/Houstan*
Banchero/Isaac*/xxxx
Carter/M-Wagner/xxxx

* = not fully guaranteed

Fultz, Okeke, G-Harris, and Bitadze are all FAs. Ingles has a team option that will (probably) get picked up unless he gets injured late in the season.

So no matter our wants in improving the roster, Orlando must add two guards, a Center, and a combo-big. Yeh, perhaps G-Harris is one of the guards signed. And for the correct pay-line, Bitadze could also be resigned (probably to a deal similar to what M-Wagner got).

What's left? A glowing hole at starting PG. Yes I would rather the Magic get a SG upgrade, but that could simply be via shifting Suggs to an off-ball PG role (like every Bulls team MJ ever played for). In conclusion, this coming off-season is both easy and hard at the same time. The team can easily roll-it-back. If they do, then the aces are being wasted. (starting Black with Suggs next year also wastes the aces).

I would change that just a little bit to:

Suggs/Black/xxxx M. McClung or P. Mills
M. Monk/Anthony/xxxx T. Queen
F-Wagner/Howard/Houstan*
Banchero/Isaac*/xxxx C. Okeke?
Carter/M-Wagner/xxxx Magic 1st

Only major upgrade would be Monk at SG/PG. Other spots easily filled. Howard wouldn't get a lot of minutes but has a path to playing.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Let's reset this to remind ourselves of players under contract. This is next year's current roster, including the TO (team options) for players who WILL be optioned in to their contract - no matter what: Suggs, Banchero, M-Wagner, and F-Wagner.

xxxx/Anthony/Black
Suggs/xxxx/Howard
F-Wagner/xxxx/Houstan*
Banchero/Isaac*/xxxx
Carter/M-Wagner/xxxx

* = not fully guaranteed

Fultz, Okeke, G-Harris, and Bitadze are all FAs. Ingles has a team option that will (probably) get picked up unless he gets injured late in the season.

So no matter our wants in improving the roster, Orlando must add two guards, a Center, and a combo-big. Yeh, perhaps G-Harris is one of the guards signed. And for the correct pay-line, Bitadze could also be resigned (probably to a deal similar to what M-Wagner got).

What's left? A glowing hole at starting PG. Yes I would rather the Magic get a SG upgrade, but that could simply be via shifting Suggs to an off-ball PG role (like every Bulls team MJ ever played for). In conclusion, this coming off-season is both easy and hard at the same time. The team can easily roll-it-back. If they do, then the aces are being wasted. (starting Black with Suggs next year also wastes the aces).

I would change that just a little bit to:

Suggs/Black/xxxx M. McClung or P. Mills
M. Monk/Anthony/xxxx T. Queen
F-Wagner/Howard/Houstan*
Banchero/Isaac*/xxxx C. Okeke?
Carter/M-Wagner/xxxx Magic 1st

Only major upgrade would be Monk at SG/PG. Other spots easily filled. Howard wouldn't get a lot of minutes but has a path to playing.

Okeke doesn't belong in the NBA that's very obvious.
Isaac's past you better find a solid 2b for that backup spot at the 4, thinking a vet like DorianFinneySmith who can play minutes and continue to bring the kids along.

We need a guard, backup F and 3rd string C at a minimum.

[pepe1991]

I'm pretty sure Okeke is done with nba.
He can have good career in Europe, he seems to be player that will defer to a team and seems to be coachable and humble, Europien coaches love that type of personality. Who knows, maybe he finds his Obradović, like Exum, so he can be fixed and back in nba in 2 years.

[jezzerinho]

Banchero, WCJ, Isaac and M Wagner are basically all 4's. 4.5's at a push.

Id be looking to move WCJ, not because he's a bad player. Quite the reverse - I'd move him because he has significant positive value as an asset but would fit better elsewhere. Too much overlap with Paolo and Moe, for my money.

[zaymon]

Problem with Suggs at PG is that then we have no guard to perform pick and roll.
Best at it Wagner, but he is very tall, not very strong and struggles in certain matchups.
When teams lock down Wagner in pick and than we have iso Banchero who gets swarmed and then its over. More shooter doesnt seem to solve the problem.

[mattdelray1220]

Let's reset this to remind ourselves of players under contract. This is next year's current roster, including the TO (team options) for players who WILL be optioned in to their contract - no matter what: Suggs, Banchero, M-Wagner, and F-Wagner.

xxxx/Anthony/Black
Suggs/xxxx/Howard
F-Wagner/xxxx/Houstan*
Banchero/Isaac*/xxxx
Carter/M-Wagner/xxxx

* = not fully guaranteed

Fultz, Okeke, G-Harris, and Bitadze are all FAs. Ingles has a team option that will (probably) get picked up unless he gets injured late in the season.

So no matter our wants in improving the roster, Orlando must add two guards, a Center, and a combo-big. Yeh, perhaps G-Harris is one of the guards signed. And for the correct pay-line, Bitadze could also be resigned (probably to a deal similar to what M-Wagner got).

What's left? A glowing hole at starting PG. Yes I would rather the Magic get a SG upgrade, but that could simply be via shifting Suggs to an off-ball PG role (like every Bulls team MJ ever played for). In conclusion, this coming off-season is both easy and hard at the same time. The team can easily roll-it-back. If they do, then the aces are being wasted. (starting Black with Suggs next year also wastes the aces).

I would change that just a little bit to:

Suggs/Black/xxxx M. McClung or P. Mills
M. Monk/Anthony/xxxx T. Queen
F-Wagner/Howard/Houstan*
Banchero/Isaac*/xxxx C. Okeke?
Carter/M-Wagner/xxxx Magic 1st

Only major upgrade would be Monk at SG/PG. Other spots easily filled. Howard wouldn't get a lot of minutes but has a path to playing.

This! I think just the move of Monk would elevate this team to a new level. Draft a Big to be 3rd string or see if we could get Goga on a 1+1 deal. Let Houstan and Jett Fight for 15 minutes behind Wagner. Another leap for PB Franz and Suggs. We will be a problem.

[eyriq]

Problem with Suggs at PG is that then we have no guard to perform pick and roll.
Best at it Wagner, but he is very tall, not very strong and struggles in certain matchups.
When teams lock down Wagner in pick and than we have iso Banchero who gets swarmed and then its over. More shooter doesnt seem to solve the problem.

We are epically bad at the pick and roll. It's comical.

[jezzerinho]

Problem with Suggs at PG is that then we have no guard to perform pick and roll.
Best at it Wagner, but he is very tall, not very strong and struggles in certain matchups.
When teams lock down Wagner in pick and than we have iso Banchero who gets swarmed and then its over. More shooter doesnt seem to solve the problem.

We are epically bad at the pick and roll. It's comical.

Its not just the guard play in pnr that's terrible. The screens are half-ässed, theres no off-ball movement, no deception, nothing you would call proper pick and roll.

[drsd]

Only major upgrade would be Monk at SG/PG. Other spots easily filled. Howard wouldn't get a lot of minutes but has a path to playing.

This! I think just the move of Monk would elevate this team to a new level. Draft a Big to be 3rd string or see if we could get Goga on a 1+1 deal. Let Houstan and Jett Fight for 15 minutes behind Wagner. Another leap for PB Franz and Suggs. We will be a problem.

The Kings has earlyBird rights and can offer a four years, $78 million deal. So: a 4 year 90M deal would be interesting for him, assuming another team would not offer that. Such a contract would be plausible, but then Isaac would have to be shifted out with G-Harris and Okeke. The reality is that Suggs, F-Wagner and Banchero are going to account for >>50% of the cap. Having a two 20+ per year guards in Suggs and Monk would mean the rest of the roster would become partial-MLE and LLE level players. Said another way: Bitadze cannot get a M-Wagner typew deal with Monk on the books, and the Magic would REALLY struggle to resign M-Wagner actually.

[mattdelray1220]

Only major upgrade would be Monk at SG/PG. Other spots easily filled. Howard wouldn't get a lot of minutes but has a path to playing.

This! I think just the move of Monk would elevate this team to a new level. Draft a Big to be 3rd string or see if we could get Goga on a 1+1 deal. Let Houstan and Jett Fight for 15 minutes behind Wagner. Another leap for PB Franz and Suggs. We will be a problem.

The Kings has earlyBird rights and can offer a four years, $78 million deal. So: a 4 year 90M deal would be interesting for him, assuming another team would not offer that. Such a contract would be plausible, but then Isaac would have to be shifted out with G-Harris and Okeke. The reality is that Suggs, F-Wagner and Banchero are going to account for >>50% of the cap. Having a two 20+ per year guards in Suggs and Monk would mean the rest of the roster would become partial-MLE and LLE level players. Said another way: Bitadze cannot get a M-Wagner typew deal with Monk on the books, and the Magic would REALLY struggle to resign M-Wagner actually.

Agree. I think Goga will get an opportunity to play a role as a back up on a contender and take it for something in the 8-10mil range. I can see Okeke, Harris, Ingles, Fultz all walking if we signed someone like Monk. Not too worried about Moe. He is someone who I think will take a slight pay cut to stay here. Isaac is the one I worry about it. Who knows what that is going to look like.

[eyriq]

So, who is with me on the Claxton train?

[Knightro]

So, who is with me on the Claxton train?

If I'm gonna spend that much money, it's gonna be on a guard that can actually run a pick and roll or beat somebody off the dribble, not another non-shooter big.

[orlando_joe]

This! I think just the move of Monk would elevate this team to a new level. Draft a Big to be 3rd string or see if we could get Goga on a 1+1 deal. Let Houstan and Jett Fight for 15 minutes behind Wagner. Another leap for PB Franz and Suggs. We will be a problem.

The Kings has earlyBird rights and can offer a four years, $78 million deal. So: a 4 year 90M deal would be interesting for him, assuming another team would not offer that. Such a contract would be plausible, but then Isaac would have to be shifted out with G-Harris and Okeke. The reality is that Suggs, F-Wagner and Banchero are going to account for >>50% of the cap. Having a two 20+ per year guards in Suggs and Monk would mean the rest of the roster would become partial-MLE and LLE level players. Said another way: Bitadze cannot get a M-Wagner typew deal with Monk on the books, and the Magic would REALLY struggle to resign M-Wagner actually.

Agree. I think Goga will get an opportunity to play a role as a back up on a contender and take it for something in the 8-10mil range. I can see Okeke, Harris, Ingles, Fultz all walking if we signed someone like Monk. Not too worried about Moe. He is someone who I think will take a slight pay cut to stay here. Isaac is the one I worry about it. Who knows what that is going to look like.

i do not understand talk about mo magic have team option all they have to do is want him back..and they will there is no problem?

[eyriq]

So, who is with me on the Claxton train?

If I'm gonna spend that much money, it's gonna be on a guard that can actually run a pick and roll or beat somebody off the dribble, not another non-shooter big.

I agree with 99.9% of your points so I'm glad we'll have this differentiator.

[Skybox]

So, who is with me on the Claxton train?

I don't feel like we NEED to upgrade C, but I agree with others that WCJ might be our best trade chip to upgrade where it's most needed. If we could sign Claxton (without going nuts) and package WCJ with picks to get a BIG upgrade like Dejounte Murray or Simons...we'd be...something to deal with, on both ends.

I feel like WCJ is somewhat compromised here and I'd hope another GM saw that he could do more with a bigger offensive role. On the other hand - we don't need that and a guy like Claxton would revolutionize our defense more than our guard-heavy system presently can. Isaac and Goga are the only real threats to protect the rim. WCJ's a solid defender, but Claxton could be a really impactful defensive influence. Gafford is kind of Claxton-lite and we could have gotten him pretty reasonably and on a good deal already.

[JoshuaPotter]

So, who is with me on the Claxton train?

I'm with you. I think most peoples ideas of who to acquire are dumb.

We just put two picks into guards. Time to invest into C.

YOLO to 1st defense!

[eyriq]

So, who is with me on the Claxton train?

I'm with you. I think most peoples ideas of who to acquire are dumb.

We just put two picks into guards. Time to invest into C.

YOLO to 1st defense!

EXACTLY! People willfully wanting to allocate resources in such an inefficient manner hurts my soul.

[Furinkazan]

I'm pretty sure Okeke is done with nba.
He can have good career in Europe, he seems to be player that will defer to a team and seems to be coachable and humble, Europien coaches love that type of personality. Who knows, maybe he finds his Obradović, like Exum, so he can be fixed and back in nba in 2 years.

damn I think he deserves an NBA spot somwhere but we kind of held him hostage
We should have trade him for peanuts 2nd rounder or even for some ecxpiring injured player we would buyout /waive.... just so he could have a new start.We didnt.He propably is too nice to push for a trade esp after this organisation drafted him high and waited for him to heal from injury I think he may be a pesron nice enough to say...well I wont push for a trade...I owe them...

but it might cost him NBA spot next year :/

but I hope he will find a suitor.He had his flashes past years.

[eyriq]

Our team build seems similar to the Pelicans.

Edit: Who would you rather have, Zion and Ingram or Franz and Paolo?