Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
Moderators: 7 Footer, Duffman100, Morris_Shatford, DG88, HiJiNX, niQ, Reeko, lebron stopper
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- Starter
- Posts: 2,113
- And1: 1,704
- Joined: Dec 11, 2010
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- WuTang_OG
- RealGM
- Posts: 35,873
- And1: 45,762
- Joined: Sep 26, 2017
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
ArthurVandelay wrote:
Funny thing is Pistons fans were all for the tank…when it started.
Once you reach historical levels of badness over multiple seasons, every mistake is highlighted. When you intentionally make moves to be bad, your margin for error is very small.
In Detroit’s case they made some critical mistakes drafting and now they are stuck in a spiral (that Portland is close to joining) if they don’t find the franchise player soon.
guy needs to grow a pair
?s=20
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,731
- And1: 6,695
- Joined: Aug 13, 2021
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
This Knicks/76ers game is making our Portand game look like Boston vs Celtic.
It's horrible
It's horrible
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- Tofubeque
- RealGM
- Posts: 10,703
- And1: 14,279
- Joined: Jul 18, 2009
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
GP2 wrote:The fact that it's' higher than any other fine seen this season speaks volumes.
I guess Scottie got off light with just the quick ejection when he said "y'all cheating bro"
props Turbozone
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,725
- And1: 12,201
- Joined: Apr 10, 2021
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
AaronB wrote:Los_29 wrote:AaronB wrote:
According to EPM, Wagner is still the best player in the class. I doubt the Magic trade either Suggs or Wagner for either. Case could be made for Suggs, but his improvement has been huge each year.
epm
Franz Wagner 3.5
Alperen Sengun 2.9
Herbert Jones. 2.4
Evan Mobley. 2.4
Scottie Barnes. 2.3
Jalen Suggs. 2.2
Wagner has actually had a pretty poor year. You also just can’t look at EPM because Herbert Jones is 3rd on that list ahead of guys like Mobley and Scottie.
I’ll tell you right now, there is absolutely no chance Weltman would choose to have either Suggs and Wagner over Scottie. Scottie is the best player by a wide margin and he’s got the most upside. Wagner isn’t a high upside player neither is Suggs and despite that they are still worse than Scottie right now.
True
Wagner has had a poor 3 shooting. Yet still the advanced metrics (EPM and BPM) have him as a better player than Barnes. This passes the eye test and the win test. Again not here to argue, just providing the information.
Both also capture Suggs off the charts improvement from year to year, although still technically above Barnes.
Looking around the NBA, one has to wonder how much IQ has made himself recently. $35m AAS? I can see the Spurs forcing the Raptors hand on the RFA.
Raptors are in a rebuilding phase so you can’t really look at wins and losses. And the reality is Franz is the one who has never played in a playoff game. I like Franz but Scottie was the one who coaches felt deserved to be an all-star. Not Franz. He’s just the better player. EPM and BPM will always have outliers. Right now Derrick White is just sitting outside the top 10 in EPM, ahead of much better players. There isn’t a single GM in this league who would take Franz over Scottie. If we were talking about last year then I’d agree that Franz was better but even last year, any GM would still take Scottie over Franz.
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- ItsDanger
- RealGM
- Posts: 26,066
- And1: 23,192
- Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
Utah finally giving their other 1st round pick minutes. One of the more interesting players in '23 draft that didn't get enough attention. But he can score in the half court efficiently.
Organization can be defined as an organized body of people with a particular purpose. Not random.
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 15,819
- And1: 9,280
- Joined: Jan 06, 2009
- Location: Scarborough
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
ItsDanger wrote:
Utah finally giving their other 1st round pick minutes. One of the more interesting players in '23 draft that didn't get enough attention. But he can score in the half court efficiently.
If he was a little bit taller he'd be scary, I liked his game coming out of the draft
In Raptor Ball I Trust
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- WaltFrazier
- RealGM
- Posts: 28,845
- And1: 27,802
- Joined: Jan 21, 2006
- Location: Ontario Canada
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- WuTang_OG
- RealGM
- Posts: 35,873
- And1: 45,762
- Joined: Sep 26, 2017
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- ItsDanger
- RealGM
- Posts: 26,066
- And1: 23,192
- Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
Organization can be defined as an organized body of people with a particular purpose. Not random.
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,680
- And1: 4,164
- Joined: Jan 25, 2023
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
Tank commander Coulibaly 0-5 from the field 0-4 from downtown, did Masai put in a call?!?!
Carry us GG!!!
Carry us GG!!!
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- pilkoids
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,036
- And1: 5,396
- Joined: May 28, 2014
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- WaltFrazier
- RealGM
- Posts: 28,845
- And1: 27,802
- Joined: Jan 21, 2006
- Location: Ontario Canada
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
Right, OG is having a terrible game. 14 points, couple or three steals, his spacing making everyone else better. Plus 18 at half, must be higher now. But it's true, he did lose the ball on two drives.
Another Knick poster on their gt made a perceptive comment - OG may be the only player who doesn't put up max numbers (scoring), but still has the impact of a max player.
Oh, and his check Tobias has two points after 3 quarters
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- Analyst
- Posts: 3,282
- And1: 3,096
- Joined: Mar 15, 2018
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
Memphis beating up on the Wizards
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- Senior
- Posts: 553
- And1: 319
- Joined: Jan 04, 2024
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
WaltFrazier wrote:Right, OG is having a terrible game. 14 points, couple or three steals, his spacing making everyone else better. Plus 18 at half, must be higher now. But it's true, he did lose the ball on two drives.
Another Knick poster on their gt made a perceptive comment - OG may be the only player who doesn't put up max numbers (scoring), but still has the impact of a max player.
Oh, and his check Tobias has two points after 3 quarters
OG + iHart + Brunson is a deadly defense/offense combo
and Precious at PF in a limited role looks like a positive asset
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- WaltFrazier
- RealGM
- Posts: 28,845
- And1: 27,802
- Joined: Jan 21, 2006
- Location: Ontario Canada
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
RoteSchroder wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:Right, OG is having a terrible game. 14 points, couple or three steals, his spacing making everyone else better. Plus 18 at half, must be higher now. But it's true, he did lose the ball on two drives.
Another Knick poster on their gt made a perceptive comment - OG may be the only player who doesn't put up max numbers (scoring), but still has the impact of a max player.
Oh, and his check Tobias has two points after 3 quarters
OG + iHart + Brunson is a deadly defense/offense combo
and Precious at PF in a limited role looks like a positive asset
I was thinking the same about Precious. He stepped up in major minutes due to injuries, and now he can slot into a valuable lesser role with Thibs trust.
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,933
- And1: 4,457
- Joined: Feb 10, 2023
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- pilkoids
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,036
- And1: 5,396
- Joined: May 28, 2014
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
WaltFrazier wrote:
Right, OG is having a terrible game. 14 points, couple or three steals, his spacing making everyone else better. Plus 18 at half, must be higher now. But it's true, he did lose the ball on two drives.
Another Knick poster on their gt made a perceptive comment - OG may be the only player who doesn't put up max numbers (scoring), but still has the impact of a max player.
Oh, and his check Tobias has two points after 3 quarters
he cooked my ass tbh
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- ItsDanger
- RealGM
- Posts: 26,066
- And1: 23,192
- Joined: Nov 01, 2008
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
Organization can be defined as an organized body of people with a particular purpose. Not random.
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
- WaltFrazier
- RealGM
- Posts: 28,845
- And1: 27,802
- Joined: Jan 21, 2006
- Location: Ontario Canada
Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0
ItsDanger wrote:
Was probably cheap to acquire a while ago, finally blossoming. Missed opportunity.
Good for our Olympic team
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.