Jack Armstrong on Barnes (Video)

[Reeko]

Barnes has a bit of a "beautiful mind" when it comes to basketball, but he seems to be socially awkward off the court. It's not just a matter of media training, but verbal communication in general. This is something that's really difficult to change in a person. He is who he is.

I sense where this is going but as someone who's actually diagnosed myseld myself, I was initially very hesitant to say it but after my wife mention she sees it, I'm going to say
He may not meet the dsm-5 criteria of that specific condition but for ppl like him, it doesn't make sense to make him into something he's not

It's best organization give him support but not turn him into something he's not

Where is this going? All I said was he's socially awkward. Many people are socially awkward.

Lol what are you even basing this on? His interactions with the media? Scottie by many accounts is a very sociable guy and we have a lot of feedback from guys who have actually played with him who have said as much. I'm not sure where this socially awkward BS is stemming from. Not you specifically, but there are people who are even going so far as to say that he's on the autism spectrum. As if some accountant who lives in Orangeville is qualified to diagnose someone based on their interactions with reporters.

[johanliebert]

Hes the best player but not a #1 option. Barnes will have to work on his mood swings and demonstrative body language, sure hes a team first guy but hes not a leader

[pilkoids]

Scottie may still have some immaturity in him (understandable), but i've not seen any of this "social awkardness"

[dkb964]

Lamar Odom was a flake as a basketball player and did not defend well. I hate this comparison. It is almost as bad as the Barnes/ Aaron Gordan comparison fans of other teams throw around. I know you said "super charged" but jeez man Odom was a really good role player. I have much higher hopes for Scottie. Odom never even sniffed All-Star consideration.

All depends on your definition of super charged I guess lol.

IMO a super charged VC is basically MJ, and that is definitely not a shot at MJ lol.

I find it difficult to see the comparison even with 'super charged.' MJ could actually play at a high level consistently at both ends of the floor and was actually a superstar. VC was hyped up due to his dunking (perhaps the athleticism is where the comparison comes from) and never even cracked top 5 MVP once in in his career let alone an All NBA 1st team. Such an insult to the GOAT lol

I do see what you mean when it comes to Odom and Barnes. They both posses high basketball IQ and can play on both ends of the floor (have no idea what DKB964 is referring to saying that he couldn't defend). Given the way basketball is played now and the situation Barnes is in in terms of usage, it's actually a really good comparison!

Watch on YouTube

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I suppose I may be misrembering Odom's game. I never thought of him as a defenive player, but I may be incorrect.

[C_Money]

Scottie may still have some immaturity in him (understandable), but i've not seen any of this "social awkardness"

He just sucks at talking to the media.

[brownbobcat]

All depends on your definition of super charged I guess lol.

IMO a super charged VC is basically MJ, and that is definitely not a shot at MJ lol.

I find it difficult to see the comparison even with 'super charged.' MJ could actually play at a high level consistently at both ends of the floor and was actually a superstar. VC was hyped up due to his dunking (perhaps the athleticism is where the comparison comes from) and never even cracked top 5 MVP once in in his career let alone an All NBA 1st team. Such an insult to the GOAT lol

I do see what you mean when it comes to Odom and Barnes. They both posses high basketball IQ and can play on both ends of the floor (have no idea what DKB964 is referring to saying that he couldn't defend). Given the way basketball is played now and the situation Barnes is in in terms of usage, it's actually a really good comparison!
I suppose I may be misrembering Odom's game. I never thought of him as a defenive player, but I may be incorrect.

I suppose I may be misrembering Odom's game. I never thought of him as a defenive player, but I may be incorrect.

Odom had every single physical tool & skill in the box, just like Vince. And if anyone thinks Vince was just dunking, they are sorely mistaken. A super-charged Vince would've been somewhere between Kobe and MJ. A super-charged Odom would've been something like Chris Webber.

[Kingsway_fan]

All depends on your definition of super charged I guess lol.

IMO a super charged VC is basically MJ, and that is definitely not a shot at MJ lol.

I find it difficult to see the comparison even with 'super charged.' MJ could actually play at a high level consistently at both ends of the floor and was actually a superstar. VC was hyped up due to his dunking (perhaps the athleticism is where the comparison comes from) and never even cracked top 5 MVP once in in his career let alone an All NBA 1st team. Such an insult to the GOAT lol

I do see what you mean when it comes to Odom and Barnes. They both posses high basketball IQ and can play on both ends of the floor (have no idea what DKB964 is referring to saying that he couldn't defend). Given the way basketball is played now and the situation Barnes is in in terms of usage, it's actually a really good comparison!

Watch on YouTube

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I suppose I may be misrembering Odom's game. I never thought of him as a defenive player, but I may be incorrect.

Another clueless poster on the VC era.... no wonder Raptors realgmers are so clueless....

VC was a top 5 NBA scorer for a decade playing on a team of g league scrubs and still carried them. Top vote getter for allstar game one year and the only superstar this franchise has ever come close to seeing wearing a Raptors jersey, except the one year rental...

[PerfectJab]

I find it difficult to see the comparison even with 'super charged.' MJ could actually play at a high level consistently at both ends of the floor and was actually a superstar. VC was hyped up due to his dunking (perhaps the athleticism is where the comparison comes from) and never even cracked top 5 MVP once in in his career let alone an All NBA 1st team. Such an insult to the GOAT lol

I do see what you mean when it comes to Odom and Barnes. They both posses high basketball IQ and can play on both ends of the floor (have no idea what DKB964 is referring to saying that he couldn't defend). Given the way basketball is played now and the situation Barnes is in in terms of usage, it's actually a really good comparison!

Watch on YouTube

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I suppose I may be misrembering Odom's game. I never thought of him as a defenive player, but I may be incorrect.

Another clueless poster on the VC era.... no wonder Raptors realgmers are so clueless....

VC was a top 5 NBA scorer for a decade playing on a team of g league scrubs and still carried them. Top vote getter for allstar game one year and the only superstar this franchise has ever come close to seeing wearing a Raptors jersey, except the one year rental...

Another poster with a nostalgic bias acting arrogant when they don't know what they're talking about. He was only top 5 in scoring 2 times in his career (#4,5) despite averaging over 20 shots per game and the reason he was able to do that and was due to his usage stemming from your so called d league scrubs. Where is top 5 for over a decade and why did you mention this when it was clearly not true?

You mention carry, carry to what the 2nd round? 45 wins? Your expectations for a superstar is low. Superstars play defense . He was top vote getter due to his dunking, no doubt exciting to watch but he was empty calories. Let's not get it twisted, his career highlights and top moments are dunks. Ok maybe that 1 series against the sixers where he had a bunch of 3's (which is bias due to me being a raps fan, to the rest of the league it was just another series) but another true superstar at the end of the day outshined him and he lost.

Not a winner

Not a team player

Not efficient

Average to below average defense

No all NBA 1st teams (superstars normally get awarded this at least once in their career)
Only 1 all nba 2nd team and 1 nba 3rd team. Yes he only made two all NBA teams.. guess who else has done this as well? (Lowry and Derozan... oh sorry Derozan made 3 all nba teams 1 better than Carter)

No all defensive teams

NEVER top 5 in MVP voting, heck not even top 10 (another typical thing associated with a 'superstar') PLEASE name 1 player that was a true superstar with his usage that never made it to top 5 in MVP voting in his career. NAME 1.

You overrate him my friend.

[youngRAPZ]

I suppose I may be misrembering Odom's game. I never thought of him as a defenive player, but I may be incorrect.

Another clueless poster on the VC era.... no wonder Raptors realgmers are so clueless....

VC was a top 5 NBA scorer for a decade playing on a team of g league scrubs and still carried them. Top vote getter for allstar game one year and the only superstar this franchise has ever come close to seeing wearing a Raptors jersey, except the one year rental...

Another poster with a nostalgic bias acting arrogant when they don't know what they're talking about. He was only top 5 in scoring 2 times in his career (#4,5) despite averaging over 20 shots per game and the reason he was able to do that and was due to his usage stemming from your so called d league scrubs. Where is top 5 for over a decade and why did you mention this when it was clearly not true?

You mention carry, carry to what the 2nd round? 45 wins? Your expectations for a superstar is low. Superstars play defense . He was top vote getter due to his dunking, no doubt exciting to watch but he was empty calories. Let's not get it twisted, his career highlights and top moments are dunks. Ok maybe that 1 series against the sixers where he had a bunch of 3's (which is bias due to me being a raps fan, to the rest of the league it was just another series) but another true superstar at the end of the day outshined him and he lost.

Not a winner

Not a team player

Not efficient

Average to below average defense

No all NBA 1st teams (superstars normally get awarded this at least once in their career)
Only 1 all nba 2nd team and 1 nba 3rd team. Yes he only made two all NBA teams.. guess who else has done this as well? (Lowry and Derozan... oh sorry Derozan made 3 all nba teams 1 better than Carter)

No all defensive teams

NEVER top 5 in MVP voting, heck not even top 10 (another typical thing associated with a 'superstar') PLEASE name 1 player that was a true superstar with his usage that never made it to top 5 in MVP voting in his career. NAME 1.

You overrate him my friend.

Damn bro you perfectly jabbed Vince’s career