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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#21 » by LightTheBeam » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:54 am

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LightTheBeam wrote:Idk, I think if Sac was super high on Kris they would have tried to trade up in the draft instead of out. Never will know.

Still don't like Grant for his contract. I'd take him, but definitely not giving two picks.

With Keon our defense is soo much better. My focus would be on trading Barnes + Huerter + multiple years of picks for a true upgrade. Someone like Mikal, Lauri.


Completely agree with this. There will be better targets/upgrades than Grant between now and the next deadline.

If Barnes/Huerter/picks can get Sac a player at the PF clearly better than Grant and depth…do it. That’s likely the first option. It’s just hard to see who that player is. I’m not at all convinced it is Lauri. Mikal is a SF.


Less concerned with position, more with actually upgrading the team. We've seen by far our best lineup has been small with Fox-Monk-Ellis-Keegan-Sabonis. Get a guy like Bridges and you can throw him in for any one of the first 4.

I agree a 4 would be ideal. But the league is soft at that position, and Keegan is becoming more physical and a better rebounder day by day. Much rather add a Better 3 > worse 4.
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#22 » by BoogieTime » Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:43 am

Why does Kris Murray matter?
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#23 » by SNPA » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:18 pm

BoogieTime wrote:Why does Kris Murray matter?

Depth at the forward spot long term. He would be the best backup SF on the roster. What’s better that 32 minutes of Murray? 48 minutes of Murrays.
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#24 » by Myth » Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:00 pm

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BoogieTime wrote:Why does Kris Murray matter?

Depth at the forward spot long term. He would be the best backup SF on the roster. What’s better that 32 minutes of Murray? 48 minutes of Murrays.

Even with a Kris being worse, I’m imagining opponents getting confused and either under playing or over playing.
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#25 » by JRoy » Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:30 pm

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SNPA wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:Why does Kris Murray matter?

Depth at the forward spot long term. He would be the best backup SF on the roster. What’s better that 32 minutes of Murray? 48 minutes of Murrays.

Even with a Kris being worse, I’m imagining opponents getting confused and either under playing or over playing.


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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#26 » by pillwenney » Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:59 pm

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Completely agree with this. There will be better targets/upgrades than Grant between now and the next deadline.

If Barnes/Huerter/picks can get Sac a player at the PF clearly better than Grant and depth…do it. That’s likely the first option. It’s just hard to see who that player is. I’m not at all convinced it is Lauri. Mikal is a SF.


Less concerned with position, more with actually upgrading the team. We've seen by far our best lineup has been small with Fox-Monk-Ellis-Keegan-Sabonis. Get a guy like Bridges and you can throw him in for any one of the first 4.

I agree a 4 would be ideal. But the league is soft at that position, and Keegan is becoming more physical and a better rebounder day by day. Much rather add a Better 3 > worse 4.


We shouldn't confuse what our current most effective lineup is with what will ultimately be necessary to take a real next step. That lineup provides great ball pressure, but the composite length is just too small to take the steps that will actually need to be taken for this team defensively.
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#27 » by LightTheBeam » Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:49 pm

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LightTheBeam wrote:
SNPA wrote:If Barnes/Huerter/picks can get Sac a player at the PF clearly better than Grant and depth…do it. That’s likely the first option. It’s just hard to see who that player is. I’m not at all convinced it is Lauri. Mikal is a SF.


Less concerned with position, more with actually upgrading the team. We've seen by far our best lineup has been small with Fox-Monk-Ellis-Keegan-Sabonis. Get a guy like Bridges and you can throw him in for any one of the first 4.

I agree a 4 would be ideal. But the league is soft at that position, and Keegan is becoming more physical and a better rebounder day by day. Much rather add a Better 3 > worse 4.


We shouldn't confuse what our current most effective lineup is with what will ultimately be necessary to take a real next step. That lineup provides great ball pressure, but the composite length is just too small to take the steps that will actually need to be taken for this team defensively.


If that is the case we should just hangout until Memphis decides to trade JJJ. He's probably the only non superstar who checks off all the boxes.

We want a bigger player, but is our defense really going to be better with a bigger guy vs an actual good defender?

perfection is the enemy of progress. Teams play small in the postseason, I think a hypothetical lineup of fox - Monk- mikal - keegan - sabonis can go far.
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#28 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:04 pm

I’m really not interested.

People are looking at Jerami Grant like he is still the Jerami Grant from OKC and DEN.

He’s not that guy anymore.

He is offense first. Takes a LOT of shots (wouldn’t work in our offense which is about ball movement and DHO to the open man). Doesn’t play NEARLY the level of dependence once did. Is not a strong rebounder. He also is small and short for a PF where we need more size and length and bulk to compensate for Domas being a bit undersized at Center. And he’s on the wrong side of thirty for that contract - which is a stupid overpay that isn’t our mistake.

Nah, I’m not interested in Grant and especially if the demand is going to be a first or two. That’s crazy. We would be giving so much salary relief to a team that’s trying to rebuild, that is what the value is.

It’s a no from this Kings fan.
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#29 » by OGSactownballer » Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:08 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:
pillwenney wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:
Less concerned with position, more with actually upgrading the team. We've seen by far our best lineup has been small with Fox-Monk-Ellis-Keegan-Sabonis. Get a guy like Bridges and you can throw him in for any one of the first 4.

I agree a 4 would be ideal. But the league is soft at that position, and Keegan is becoming more physical and a better rebounder day by day. Much rather add a Better 3 > worse 4.


We shouldn't confuse what our current most effective lineup is with what will ultimately be necessary to take a real next step. That lineup provides great ball pressure, but the composite length is just too small to take the steps that will actually need to be taken for this team defensively.


If that is the case we should just hangout until Memphis decides to trade JJJ. He's probably the only non superstar who checks off all the boxes.

We want a bigger player, but is our defense really going to be better with a bigger guy vs an actual good defender?

perfection is the enemy of progress. Teams play small in the postseason, I think a hypothetical lineup of fox - Monk- mikal - keegan - sabonis can go far.


See this here.

JJJ is the guy that for the Kings would be worth the all in move.

He fits every need we have perfectly and is the exact right age for our core. He balances the front line. He provides superior defense while still being a star level offensive player - but one that can get his effectively without having to dominate the shot count.

I’d have no issue sending three or four firsts to acquire him with the thought that he, Fox, Sabonis and Keegan are the core you build around for the next 10-14 years.
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#30 » by JRoy » Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:12 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:
pillwenney wrote:
We shouldn't confuse what our current most effective lineup is with what will ultimately be necessary to take a real next step. That lineup provides great ball pressure, but the composite length is just too small to take the steps that will actually need to be taken for this team defensively.


If that is the case we should just hangout until Memphis decides to trade JJJ. He's probably the only non superstar who checks off all the boxes.

We want a bigger player, but is our defense really going to be better with a bigger guy vs an actual good defender?

perfection is the enemy of progress. Teams play small in the postseason, I think a hypothetical lineup of fox - Monk- mikal - keegan - sabonis can go far.


See this here.

JJJ is the guy that for the Kings would be worth the all in move.

He fits every need we have perfectly and is the exact right age for our core. He balances the front line. He provides superior defense while still being a star level offensive player - but one that can get his effectively without having to dominate the shot count.

I’d have no issue sending three or four firsts to acquire him with the thought that he, Fox, Sabonis and Keegan are the core you build around for the next 10-14 years.


Why would a young MEM team prefer a handful of late picks to the perfect complementary player in JJJ?
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Re: Portland/Sac 

Post#31 » by LightTheBeam » Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:55 pm

JRoy wrote:
OGSactownballer wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:
If that is the case we should just hangout until Memphis decides to trade JJJ. He's probably the only non superstar who checks off all the boxes.

We want a bigger player, but is our defense really going to be better with a bigger guy vs an actual good defender?

perfection is the enemy of progress. Teams play small in the postseason, I think a hypothetical lineup of fox - Monk- mikal - keegan - sabonis can go far.


See this here.

JJJ is the guy that for the Kings would be worth the all in move.

He fits every need we have perfectly and is the exact right age for our core. He balances the front line. He provides superior defense while still being a star level offensive player - but one that can get his effectively without having to dominate the shot count.

I’d have no issue sending three or four firsts to acquire him with the thought that he, Fox, Sabonis and Keegan are the core you build around for the next 10-14 years.


Why would a young MEM team prefer a handful of late picks to the perfect complementary player in JJJ?


He isn't available. That's the point. As much as kings fans hope to find the perfect fit/great player, that guy is a unicorn and not available.

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