Jamaaliver wrote:Hawks fans and front office greatly overrated Dejounte's PG skills.
Hawks got fleeced trading for DM. He's a decent starting player but they paid a star price for him.
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Jamaaliver wrote:Hawks fans and front office greatly overrated Dejounte's PG skills.
DM looks pretty good to me.tbhawksfan1 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Hawks fans and front office greatly overrated Dejounte's PG skills.
Hawks got fleeced trading for DM. He's a decent starting player but they paid a star price for him.
HMFFL wrote:DM looks pretty good to me.
Trae on the other hand can be very frustrating to watch. He won't have success without an all time great big man. Time will tell if I'm wrong or not.
I also don't trust Trae wanting to be a Hawk longterm. The issue I see occurring is if we trade DM and then if Trae wants out after.
Jamaaliver wrote:Dejounte is nowhere the player that Trae Young is...but the morale and vibes under his watch are noticeably better with him leading and no Trae.
jayu70 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Dejounte is nowhere the player that Trae Young is...but the morale and vibes under his watch are noticeably better with him leading and no Trae.
Morale and Vibes won't have us in championship contention.
King Ken wrote:jayu70 wrote:Morale and Vibes won't have us in championship contention.
Nope and we have no answer if the shots aren't falling with Murray at the helm
Jamaaliver wrote:King Ken wrote:jayu70 wrote:Morale and Vibes won't have us in championship contention.
Nope and we have no answer if the shots aren't falling with Murray at the helm
Morale is a pretty big part of team building. Teams that hate each other have a hard time working through adversity together.
This was one of the issues for that Utah team under Quin, when Donovan and Gobert basically stopped speaking to each other or even passing the ball between them.
Bleacher ReportNBA Players Most Likely to Hit the Trade Block Next
Trae Young, Atlanta Hawks
This is not at all how things were supposed to go when Atlanta placed a massive wager—in the form of three first-round picks and a first-round swap—on Dejounte Murray being the missing piece. However, that June 2022 blockbuster continues to appear like a massive misfire due in large part to Murray's poor fit with Trae Young.
Those two are theoretically supposed to be pushing the Hawks into championship contention. Instead, they're getting skewered every time they share the floor. Atlanta's worst backcourt combination this season is that very pairing:
- Young and Murray on: 116.6 offensive rating, 122.4 defensive rating, minus-5.8 net rating
- Young on, Murray off: 121.5 offensive rating, 119.4 defensive rating, plus-2.1 net rating
- Murray on, Young off: 119.1 offensive rating, 118.5 defensive rating, plus-0.5 net rating
- Murray and Young off: 107.7 offensive rating, 111.4 defensive rating, minus-3.7 net rating
It appeared for a time that this twosome's troubles would force Murray out, but maybe Young—one of this league's most extreme one-way players—gets squeezed instead. One Western Conference executive told The Ringer's Howard Beck the Hawks "would love to trade Trae," while NBA insider Marc Stein relayed that "Trae Trade Talk has a more tangible feel than ever before."
That one conference finals trip, which Atlanta traversed as a No. 5 feed, comprises the totality of its playoff success since acquiring Young during the 2018 draft. The Hawks could reach the conclusion sooner than later that it can't win big—or competently defend—with Young on the roster. The second that happens, they could start fielding offers for the three-time All-Star, and those overtures could be strong.
For all of his shortcomings on defense, he's a brilliant offensive talent who piles up points, assists and threes at a nearly unprecedented rate. Some team will convince itself it can field a more formidable roster around Young than the Hawks ever have, and as long as the incoming assets are where they need to be, Atlanta might grant them that chance.
HMFFL wrote:Minnesota could be a good option for Trae Young due to the talent they have. He gets a big man and the future great Anthony Edwards.
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Jamaaliver wrote:Bleacher ReportNBA Players Most Likely to Hit the Trade Block Next
Trae Young, Atlanta Hawks
This is not at all how things were supposed to go when Atlanta placed a massive wager—in the form of three first-round picks and a first-round swap—on Dejounte Murray being the missing piece. However, that June 2022 blockbuster continues to appear like a massive misfire due in large part to Murray's poor fit with Trae Young.
Those two are theoretically supposed to be pushing the Hawks into championship contention. Instead, they're getting skewered every time they share the floor. Atlanta's worst backcourt combination this season is that very pairing:
- Young and Murray on: 116.6 offensive rating, 122.4 defensive rating, minus-5.8 net rating
- Young on, Murray off: 121.5 offensive rating, 119.4 defensive rating, plus-2.1 net rating
- Murray on, Young off: 119.1 offensive rating, 118.5 defensive rating, plus-0.5 net rating
- Murray and Young off: 107.7 offensive rating, 111.4 defensive rating, minus-3.7 net rating
It appeared for a time that this twosome's troubles would force Murray out, but maybe Young—one of this league's most extreme one-way players—gets squeezed instead. One Western Conference executive told The Ringer's Howard Beck the Hawks "would love to trade Trae," while NBA insider Marc Stein relayed that "Trae Trade Talk has a more tangible feel than ever before."
That one conference finals trip, which Atlanta traversed as a No. 5 feed, comprises the totality of its playoff success since acquiring Young during the 2018 draft. The Hawks could reach the conclusion sooner than later that it can't win big—or competently defend—with Young on the roster. The second that happens, they could start fielding offers for the three-time All-Star, and those overtures could be strong.
For all of his shortcomings on defense, he's a brilliant offensive talent who piles up points, assists and threes at a nearly unprecedented rate. Some team will convince itself it can field a more formidable roster around Young than the Hawks ever have, and as long as the incoming assets are where they need to be, Atlanta might grant them that chance.