Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

JoshuaPotter · Post #1741 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:57 pm

Any comment I made regarding his play I never felt his character was in doubt.

It does beg the question on whether or not there is a narrative to give Fultz minutes in the hopes to help his market value? Which can't get any worse at the moment...can it?

Audi · Post #1742 » by **Audi** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:33 pm

Knightro wrote:
Audi wrote:Also, noticed some verbiage that indicates he won't be here next season (not surprising).

Which admittedly does beg the question why he's actually playing rotation minutes right now.

Even if you don't think Black is ready, just play 9 guys rather than force feed minutes to a guy struggling to make any sort of positive impact as much as Markelle is.

Probably something in the realm of "he's family - let him showcase whatever he can eek out for FA" mixed with "we can disturb team chemistry in the off season", if I had to guess.

Audi · Post #1743 » by **Audi** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:39 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Any comment I made regarding his play I never felt his character was in doubt.

It does beg the question on whether or not there is a narrative to give Fultz minutes in the hopes to help his market value? Which can't get any worse at the moment...can it?

DNPs due to injury would be far worse for his career at this moment. Which is why he's still trying to make anything work and the team is giving him opportunities (albeit off the bench).. even if it's acting as a small ball PF/C because he can barely even hit middy's, that's something more than nothing.

JoshuaPotter · Post #1744 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:17 pm

Audi wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:Any comment I made regarding his play I never felt his character was in doubt.

It does beg the question on whether or not there is a narrative to give Fultz minutes in the hopes to help his market value? Which can't get any worse at the moment...can it?

DNPs due to injury would be far worse for his career at this moment. Which is why he's still trying to make anything work and the team is giving him opportunities (albeit off the bench).. even if it's acting as a small ball PF/C because he can barely even hit middy's, that's something more than nothing.

The dude when healthy can flat out ball. His body just said no. It happens.

Frankly I wouldn't tell him to go under surgery either. kid has the rest of his life and is a millionaire. Don't add "surgical complications in the line of work" to ruin his ability to play with his future kids / grandkids. (if thats what he wants)

cedric76 · Post #1745 » by **cedric76** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:07 pm

Audi wrote:
T-Cat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good little article. Not too much new information, but for those who wondered, it was nice to get some clarification that it's just one of his shoulders/arms where has the TOS issues. Article jives with what I've been saying all these years regarding the condition and puts the doubters to bed. The fact that he explored/considered trying to revamp his career by shooting left handed is insane and a testament to how crippling TOS is. Also - the fact that surgery was indeed an option but he was told it may not help at all I think answers a lingering question we've had. Also, noticed some verbiage that indicates he won't be here next season (not surprising).

Which verbiage?

MasterGMer · Post #1746 » by **MasterGMer** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:48 pm

I always believed in Markelle. But if his time is done with the Magic, I really wish him well. You never knew what he has been thru especially being the NO. 1 pick and didn’t pan out.

I thought he found his role in Orlando but business is still business.

Orlando has a lot of options. But it is still a star oriented league. Does Magic need a super star? Could Magic get a third star? If Magic can define that question, sky is the limit.

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RookieStar · Post #1747 » by **RookieStar** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:09 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Audi wrote:
T-Cat wrote:

Read on Twitter

Good little article. Not too much new information, but for those who wondered, it was nice to get some clarification that it's just one of his shoulders/arms where has the TOS issues. Article jives with what I've been saying all these years regarding the condition and puts the doubters to bed. The fact that he explored/considered trying to revamp his career by shooting left handed is insane and a testament to how crippling TOS is. Also - the fact that surgery was indeed an option but he was told it may not help at all I think answers a lingering question we've had. Also, noticed some verbiage that indicates he won't be here next season (not surprising).

Which verbiage?

Yeah... i wanna know too...

Skybox · Post #1748 » by **Skybox** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:21 am

The idea that ORL is playing Fultz to help his UFA value is absurd. We are in a playoff seeding race. Black should be getting the development minutes (at least)...anyway, that can't be the reason he's playing. There's "family chemistry" and culture, etc, but building up an outgoing expiring contract's market value makes zero sense.

JF5 · Post #1749 » by **JF5** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:48 am

It's clear as day they trust a vet more than Black right now. I'm fine with it to be honest because the team is trying to win.

Fultz has looked awful but at least he'll keep his composure and do the little things. Black seems to cripple and be nonexistent when the going gets tough (which makes sense for a rookie).

At this point for Fultz though its a forgone conclusion that he'll be outta here once they're fortifying the pieces around the core. I wish him the best and hope he's able to stay in the league for a bit more time.

JoshuaPotter · Post #1750 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:28 pm

Skybox wrote:The idea that ORL is playing Fultz to help his UFA value is absurd. We are in a playoff seeding race. Black should be getting the development minutes (at least)...anyway, that can't be the reason he's playing. There's "family chemistry" and culture, etc, but building up an outgoing expiring contract's market value makes zero sense.

It's so absurd it has an element of truth to it.

Chemistry, culture, sticking to the original plan from the start of the season, all helps his UFA value.

I am all for Black getting burn. Been that way since he started and proved he had NBA level defense. I do not think giving him as many minutes as we have was ever part of the plan. In the ideal world Black was going to collect 82 DNP-CD and what games he touched the court would be human victory flags.

While not a situational stat where Fultz has more experience, even EPM seems to back up that Black is a better player then Fultz now.

JoshuaPotter · Post #1751 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:30 pm

JF5 wrote:At this point for Fultz though its a forgone conclusion that he'll be outta here once they're fortifying the pieces around the core. I wish him the best and hope he's able to stay in the league for a bit more time.

I just hope Fultz isn't brought back with a 1 year balloon contract to meet the salary floor and "server as a PG veteran mentor". Unless he has an amazing locker room presence and the ability to teach that I am clearly unaware of.

drsd · Post #1752 » by **drsd** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:36 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
JF5 wrote:At this point for Fultz though its a forgone conclusion that he'll be outta here once they're fortifying the pieces around the core. I wish him the best and hope he's able to stay in the league for a bit more time.

I just hope Fultz isn't brought back with a 1 year balloon contract to meet the salary floor and "server as a PG veteran mentor". Unless he has an amazing locker room presence and the ability to teach that I am clearly unaware of.

Here's a happy thought: Fultz' cap hold is 25.5M. So ...... Orlando either needs to sign him, he needs to sign somewhere else quickly, or the Magic needs to terminate their Bird rights of Fultz.

pepe1991 · Post #1753 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:39 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
JF5 wrote:At this point for Fultz though its a forgone conclusion that he'll be outta here once they're fortifying the pieces around the core. I wish him the best and hope he's able to stay in the league for a bit more time.

I just hope Fultz isn't brought back with a 1 year balloon contract to meet the salary floor and "server as a PG veteran mentor". Unless he has an amazing locker room presence and the ability to teach that I am clearly unaware of.

JoshuaPotter · Post #1754 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:41 pm

drsd wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
JF5 wrote:At this point for Fultz though its a forgone conclusion that he'll be outta here once they're fortifying the pieces around the core. I wish him the best and hope he's able to stay in the league for a bit more time.

I just hope Fultz isn't brought back with a 1 year balloon contract to meet the salary floor and "server as a PG veteran mentor". Unless he has an amazing locker room presence and the ability to teach that I am clearly unaware of.

Here's a happy thought: Fultz' cap hold is 25.5M. So ...... Orlando either needs to sign him, he needs to sign somewhere else quickly, or the Magic needs to terminate their Bird rights of Fultz.

Fultz FA thoughts: Now I have become death. Destroyer of cap space.

drsd · Post #1755 » by **drsd** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:06 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
JF5 wrote:At this point for Fultz though its a forgone conclusion that he'll be outta here once they're fortifying the pieces around the core. I wish him the best and hope he's able to stay in the league for a bit more time.

I just hope Fultz isn't brought back with a 1 year balloon contract to meet the salary floor and "server as a PG veteran mentor". Unless he has an amazing locker room presence and the ability to teach that I am clearly unaware of.

Fixed.

Skybox · Post #1756 » by **Skybox** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:14 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Skybox wrote:The idea that ORL is playing Fultz to help his UFA value is absurd. We are in a playoff seeding race. Black should be getting the development minutes (at least)...anyway, that can't be the reason he's playing. There's "family chemistry" and culture, etc, but building up an outgoing expiring contract's market value makes zero sense.

It's so absurd it has an element of truth to it.

Chemistry, culture, sticking to the original plan from the start of the season, all helps his UFA value.

Please explain how this is in any way of importance to ORL ...he should be a buyout candidate if the goal is to "help our guy".

If the point is - Fultz contributes to winning more than Black - OK (I disagree but there's some logic to it).

JoshuaPotter · Post #1757 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:14 pm

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
I just hope Fultz isn't brought back with a 1 year balloon contract to meet the salary floor and "server as a PG veteran mentor". Unless he has an amazing locker room presence and the ability to teach that I am clearly unaware of.

Fixed.

I think I just sent Pepe on a very long walk.

JoshuaPotter · Post #1758 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:15 pm

Skybox wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
Skybox wrote:The idea that ORL is playing Fultz to help his UFA value is absurd. We are in a playoff seeding race. Black should be getting the development minutes (at least)...anyway, that can't be the reason he's playing. There's "family chemistry" and culture, etc, but building up an outgoing expiring contract's market value makes zero sense.

It's so absurd it has an element of truth to it.

Chemistry, culture, sticking to the original plan from the start of the season, all helps his UFA value.

Please explain how this is in any way of importance to ORL ...he should be a buyout candidate if the goal is to "help our guy".

If the point is - Fultz contributes to winning more than Black - OK (I disagree but there's some logic to it).

Sir, this is Orlando. Since when have we attempted anything of importance?

pepe1991 · Post #1759 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:35 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:

Fixed.

I think I just sent Pepe on a very long walk.

tiderulz · Post #1760 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:37 pm

JF5 wrote:It's clear as day they trust a vet more than Black right now. I'm fine with it to be honest because the team is trying to win.

Fultz has looked awful but at least he'll keep his composure and do the little things. Black seems to cripple and be nonexistent when the going gets tough (which makes sense for a rookie).

At this point for Fultz though its a forgone conclusion that he'll be outta here once they're fortifying the pieces around the core. I wish him the best and hope he's able to stay in the league for a bit more time.

Kobe Bryant played 16 mpg coming out of HS. Black not seeing a whole lot of playing time isnt the end of the world. Hopefully he is continuing to work on his game.