Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV)

[dohboy_24]

If Memphis keeps trying to play chess like this we're going to have to throw away the checkerboard and join in to even have a choice of passing them in the standings...

Some have argued that Memphis has no incentive to tank but I don't see it that way at all. Once they get everyone back and healthy next year, I am sure they expect to be good again (and probably will be). So why not grab the best prospect you can right now to add to that team? They are clearly stealth tanking, and it's smart.

See above.

That is not stealth tanking. What the Grizzlies are doing is blatant, obvious, and a disservice to their fans and the fans of the teams they are competing against.

[Zeno]

If they keep their pick this year, odds are way more likely they make a win now move this summer, probably using the Pacers’ 2024 1st plus Brown, Boucher expirings.

[DreamTeam09]

If they keep their pick this year, odds are way more likely they make a win now move this summer, probably using the Pacers’ 2024 1st plus Brown, Boucher expirings.

Why would that be a win now move? It'd be about reallocation of unwanted contracts.

[Zeno]

If they keep their pick this year, odds are way more likely they make a win now move this summer, probably using the Pacers’ 2024 1st plus Brown, Boucher expirings.

Why would that be a win now move? It'd be about reallocation of unwanted contracts.

Because they would be turning flexibility in the form of expirings and draft assets into longer term contracts. It would probably not be a trade for an older veteran so not a pure win now move, more like a timeline acceleration move for a youngish player under contract. The idea some here seem to have that we’d hard tank intentionally next year to keep out of the top 6 two years in a row seems very unlikely is all I’m saying. If we kept the pick this year, likely more of an accelerated timeline is attempted and if we lose the pick this year, they might be actually more likely to be patient with a slower build. That is just my opinion though obviously.

[MiamiSPX]

If they keep their pick this year, odds are way more likely they make a win now move this summer, probably using the Pacers’ 2024 1st plus Brown, Boucher expirings.

I think most of us know that is exactly what will happen, whether we like it or not. Masai isn't going to add another 3 rookies to this roster.

[MiamiSPX]

If Memphis keeps trying to play chess like this we're going to have to throw away the checkerboard and join in to even have a choice of passing them in the standings...

Some have argued that Memphis has no incentive to tank but I don't see it that way at all. Once they get everyone back and healthy next year, I am sure they expect to be good again (and probably will be). So why not grab the best prospect you can right now to add to that team? They are clearly stealth tanking, and it's smart.

See above.

That is not stealth tanking. What the Grizzlies are doing is blatant, obvious, and a disservice to their fans and the fans of the teams they are competing against.

Yeah, I shouldn't have used the word "stealth". What I mean to say is they are doing a one-time, quick tank.

And yes, you are correct...they are doing it 5x worse (or should I say better?) than any other team.

[Scase]

If Memphis keeps trying to play chess like this we're going to have to throw away the checkerboard and join in to even have a choice of passing them in the standings...

Some have argued that Memphis has no incentive to tank but I don't see it that way at all. Once they get everyone back and healthy next year, I am sure they expect to be good again (and probably will be). So why not grab the best prospect you can right now to add to that team? They are clearly stealth tanking, and it's smart.

Tim Duncan all over again. D Rob was out much longer than he needed to be. Why win meaningless games that just set your ceiling lower.....that's a Raptors thing.

[Coco Costanza]

**** Grizzlies suck so much.

[SpezNc]

**** Grizzlies suck so much.

I cannot believe we lost I think 10 of our last 11 or something like that

2 loss
1 win
8 loss
1 game in progress ( 9 pts lead by OKC)

And we have hard time leapfrogging Memphis

Memphis is so bad

[LoveMyRaps]

Grizzlies already lost. SMH

[Coco Costanza]

**** Grizzlies suck so much.

I was told, "Oh, not to worry, they'll start winning when Bane comes back". But look at their schedule, I can see them at best winning two games.

[LoveMyRaps]

Grizzlies are back LEGGO.

[dohboy_24]

SILVER LINING: Considering our "luck" in the draft with the #1 pick so far (winning the #1 pick (AI) but having to settle for the #2 (Camby) because of the expansion rules, winning the #1 pick in 2013 in a "weak draft" and ending up with Bargs), it could be a case of the third time is the charm if we were to end up with #1 pick in what is again considered a "weak draft" even if we don't pass Memphis in the standings by the end of the season.

While the odds don't favor the outcome, it could be an ideal ode to our shared history together should both Toronto and Memphis end up with one of the top 4 picks in the 2024 draft and then subsequently make the playoffs the next season, and the math somewhat supports the occurrence of such an outcome:



Considering the probabilities, any two (2) of WAS, DET, SA, or CHA will likely remain in the top 4 while any two (2) of POR, MEM, TOR, or BKN (owed to HOU) will take the remaining spots.

Washington is talking about moving to Virginia, so a new franchise in a new city with a top 4 pick could be ideal, or the reverse logic might keep the team in DC. The last time they had a top 4 pick they selected Otto Porter (#3) in 2013 after choosing Bradley Beal (#3) in the 2012 draft and have held the #1 pick twice (John Wall in 2010 and Kwame Brown in 2001).

They don't have a star player yet and could use one, but this might not be the draft to find that player so perhaps they'd rather the coin flip put them outside the top 4 this year should it go the other way next year when Cooper Flagg is a more clear-cut pick.

Detroit has picked among the top 5 selections in 3 of the last drafts (Ausar Thompson (#5) in 2023, Jaden Ivey (#5) in 2022, and Cade Cunningham (#1) in 2021) and could likely make it 4 in row with another pick this year. Historically, they've had lots of top 4 picks with Darko Milicic, Isiah Thomas, and Grant Hill among the most recent and IMHO will likely drop outside the top 4 after the draft lottery.

San Antonio got the #1 last year and were "lucky" enough to draft Tim Duncan (1997) and David Robinson (1987) in the same spot, but other than Sean Elliott (#3) in 1989, the Spurs have never had any other picks among the top 4 selections in any draft.

IMHO, they are any absolute lock to remain in the top 4 and will likely become the first team since Cleveland in 2013 (Anthony Bennett) and 2014 (Andrew Wiggins), Orlando in 1992 (Shaq) and 1993 (Chris Webber) and Houston in 1983 (Ralph Sampson) and 1984 (Hakeem) to keep the 4-decade long tradition of back-to-back #1 picks going with the top spot in the 2024 draft.

Since its inception in 1988, the Charlotte Hornets have selected nine (9) players among the top 4 selections with two (2) of them being chosen during the last 3 drafts: Larry Johnson (#1) in 1991, Alonzo Mourning (#2) in 1992, Emeka Okafor (#2) in 2004, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (#2) in 2012, Brandon Miller (#2) in 2023, Baron Davis (#3) in 1999, Adam Morrison (#3) in 2006, LaMelo Ball (#3) in 2020, Cody Zeller (#4) in 2013.

Given the above, I wouldn't be surprised if the order at the top of the draft after the lottery has been decided ended up being something like:

#1 - San Antonio Spurs
#2 - Memphis Grizzlies
#3 - Toronto Raptors
#4 - Charlotte Hornets
#5 - Washington Wizards
#6 - Detroit Pistons

[DelAbbot]

SILVER LINING: Considering our "luck" in the draft with the #1 pick so far (winning the #1 pick (AI) but having to settle for the #2 (Camby) because of the expansion rules, winning the #1 pick in 2013 in a "weak draft" and ending up with Bargs), it could be a case of the third time is the charm if we were to end up with #1 pick in what is again considered a "weak draft" even if we don't pass Memphis in the standings by the end of the season.

Getting AI with #1 means we won't have gotten VC in later years, or the offensive opportunities wouldn't have been here for VC with AI.

If HS were allowed in 2006 we would have drafted Greg Oden and have a wasted #1 just as much as Bargs.

It all evened out.

[MiamiSPX]

We the 6th

[SpezNc]

Memphis miracle : Grizzlies won

[LoveMyRaps]

We did it yall! Congrats! Go hug your loved ones! Big night in Raptors land.

[WuTang_CMB]

6th

[Coco Costanza]

[bballsparkin]

SILVER LINING: Considering our "luck" in the draft with the #1 pick so far (winning the #1 pick (AI) but having to settle for the #2 (Camby) because of the expansion rules, winning the #1 pick in 2013 in a "weak draft" and ending up with Bargs), it could be a case of the third time is the charm if we were to end up with #1 pick in what is again considered a "weak draft" even if we don't pass Memphis in the standings by the end of the season.

Getting AI with #1 means we won't have gotten VC in later years, or the offensive opportunities wouldn't have been here for VC with AI.

If HS were allowed in 2006 we would have drafted Greg Oden and have a wasted #1 just as much as Bargs.

It all evened out.

Hmm, not sure about that logic. AI was pretty exciting to watch. Maybe they pick KD. But yes butterfly effect would be in effect. Maybe no championship in 2019 who knows.