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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#1781 » by Skybox » Sat Mar 23, 2024 2:32 pm

Doing a little more digging on Monk and liking what I see and hear...

Shooting 6+ 3pa's and hitting at .358 (which is down a bit from earlier in the year and certainly no fluke given his career numbers)

Scoring 16ppg and 5.26 apg in only 26 mpg...HERE's the big point...playing alongside a big man approaching a triple double every game!

*My concern was "does he have another gear?"...even if he doesn't, that'll work - especially given Suggs' increasing scoring threat...and he still might have that big takeover ability that, IMO, we'll need to take the next step.

Also, seems like a pleasant likable guy who'll mesh well and gets off on lighting up his team & the crowd with electrifying plays.

Pay the man.
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Post#1782 » by Rainwater » Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:18 pm

I think the Magic’s biggest need is a third shot creator/third option that can get you at least 20 plus a game. Simons is what is ideal. Bridges might work too.
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Post#1783 » by RichCollab » Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:20 pm

Rainwater wrote:I think the Magic’s biggest need is a third shot creator/third option that can get you at least 20 plus a game. Simons is what is ideal.


Monk fits the bill and requires us to give up no resources.

Simons isn’t even available. I don’t get the obsession.
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Post#1784 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:33 pm

The only concern I have with Monk is that he may be a slightly worse defender than Cole.

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Post#1785 » by Rainwater » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:05 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Rainwater wrote:I think the Magic’s biggest need is a third shot creator/third option that can get you at least 20 plus a game. Simons is what is ideal.


Monk fits the bill and requires us to give up no resources.

Simons isn’t even available. I don’t get the obsession.


How does he fill the bill? Monk is a 6th man, he is a microwave scorer. This is why he is so successful in Sactown. He is a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Clarkson type player but not to the same level. We already have Cole who does what he provides. The Magic need an actual starter, an actual third option/creator.

I really think Simons will become available soon.
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Post#1786 » by cedric76 » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:09 pm

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cedric76 wrote:Where r the people that were crying because we didn't make any trades when our competitors did?


Happy for the progress...doesn't mean we're done. You do you. I want rings


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Post#1787 » by AaronB » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:10 pm

Rainwater wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Rainwater wrote:I think the Magic’s biggest need is a third shot creator/third option that can get you at least 20 plus a game. Simons is what is ideal.


Monk fits the bill and requires us to give up no resources.

Simons isn’t even available. I don’t get the obsession.


Monk is a 6th man, he is a microwave scorer. This is why he is so successful in Sactown. He is a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Clarkson type player but not to the same level. We already have Cole who does what he provides. The Magic need an actual starter.

I really think Simons will become available soon.


Simons is quantitatively the worst defender of the decade (2020s).

I don't think he is a fit.
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Post#1788 » by Rainwater » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:19 pm

AaronB wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Monk fits the bill and requires us to give up no resources.

Simons isn’t even available. I don’t get the obsession.


Monk is a 6th man, he is a microwave scorer. This is why he is so successful in Sactown. He is a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Clarkson type player but not to the same level. We already have Cole who does what he provides. The Magic need an actual starter.

I really think Simons will become available soon.


Simons is quantitatively the worst defender of the decade (2020s).

I don't think he is a fit.


We have Harris starting at the 2 guard position, lol. I am pretty certain that Simons will be an upgrade. The problem for the Magic is not defense but shooting and having a third option when Paolo or Franz are noting playing well. Harris’ shooting has made a massive difference for the Magic, switching him up with someone who is a better shooter and can create would be amazing.
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Post#1789 » by eyriq » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:23 pm

I think we are set up for a run it back scenario.
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Post#1790 » by Rainwater » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:24 pm

eyriq wrote:I think we are set up for a run it back scenario.


I disagree, I think they finally make moves this offseason year but we will see.
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Post#1791 » by Residual-Heat » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:33 pm

Skybox wrote:Doing a little more digging on Monk and liking what I see and hear...

Shooting 6+ 3pa's and hitting at .358 (which is down a bit from earlier in the year and certainly no fluke given his career numbers)

Scoring 16ppg and 5.26 apg in only 26 mpg...HERE's the big point...playing alongside a big man approaching a triple double every game!

*My concern was "does he have another gear?"...even if he doesn't, that'll work - especially given Suggs' increasing scoring threat...and he still might have that big takeover ability that, IMO, we'll need to take the next step.

Also, seems like a pleasant likable guy who'll mesh well and gets off on lighting up his team & the crowd with electrifying plays.

Pay the man.

Did you see this article?

https://theathletic.com/5354066/2024/03/20/malik-monk-kings-sixth-man-nba-shooting/

Monk felt he should’ve won Sixth Man last season. He finished fifth behind Malcolm Brogdon, Immanuel Quickley, Bobby Portis and Norman Powell. He’s expected to win it this season. Monk admitted it’s an award he desires. But don’t mistake that for a full-on embrace. He doesn’t necessarily love the fact that he never starts.

“Hell no,” Monk laughs. “Hell no I don’t like it. But, s—, it’s what I got to do for us to win and play better. So I just take the role head on.”

The spotlight will soon shift to Monk’s future. He’s only 26, on the front fringe of his prime showing obvious growth. That two-year deal is about to expire. Because it’s so low, CBA rules limit the type of raise the Kings can offer him this summer, perhaps opening the door for a cap space team like the Detroit Pistons, Philadelphia 76ers or San Antonio Spurs to spike his salary out of Sacramento’s range, if they desire.

The Kings’ front office tried to plan for this. Part of the motivation for the Richaun Holmes trade this past summer was to increase what they could pay Monk. They want him around long term. But the projected max starting salary they can give him next season would be $17.4 million, translating into a four-year, $77.9 million max offer if extended out with highest allowable raises.
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Post#1792 » by eyriq » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:48 pm

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Post#1793 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:51 pm

Lonnie Walker may only cost $ 5 - 6m a year and look at his per 36 mpg. He could replace Kevon.

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Post#1794 » by RichCollab » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:15 pm

Rainwater wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Rainwater wrote:I think the Magic’s biggest need is a third shot creator/third option that can get you at least 20 plus a game. Simons is what is ideal.


Monk fits the bill and requires us to give up no resources.

Simons isn’t even available. I don’t get the obsession.


How does he fill the bill? Monk is a 6th man, he is a microwave scorer. This is why he is so successful in Sactown. He is a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Clarkson type player but not to the same level. We already have Cole who does what he provides. The Magic need an actual starter, an actual third option/creator.

I really think Simons will become available soon.


Brunson was a microwave off the bench in Dallas.

I feel Monk has another couple of levels.
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Post#1795 » by AaronB » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:17 pm

Rainwater wrote:
AaronB wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Monk is a 6th man, he is a microwave scorer. This is why he is so successful in Sactown. He is a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Clarkson type player but not to the same level. We already have Cole who does what he provides. The Magic need an actual starter.

I really think Simons will become available soon.


Simons is quantitatively the worst defender of the decade (2020s).

I don't think he is a fit.


We have Harris starting at the 2 guard position, lol. I am pretty certain that Simons will be an upgrade. The problem for the Magic is not defense but shooting and having a third option when Paolo or Franz are noting playing well. Harris’ shooting has made a massive difference for the Magic, switching him up with someone who is a better shooter and can create would be amazing.


I would agree with this if Simons was even just a bad defender. However, Simons is an epically bad defender. Quantitatively, the worst defender of the decade per EPM.

To make it even worse, the problem is not physical, but rather motivational. He has no interest in defending. It looked like he was going to try to defend for a couple of years, but this year he is right back to his old habits.

It would be a terrible idea to bring someone like that to the team, even if he is free. Giving up assets for him would be a monumental error.

Is it possible for him to turn things around and become motivated to be at least a bad defender? Yes, it is possible.

It is also possible that monkeys could fly out of my but. Not very probable however.
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Post#1796 » by AaronB » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:22 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
Skybox wrote:Doing a little more digging on Monk and liking what I see and hear...

Shooting 6+ 3pa's and hitting at .358 (which is down a bit from earlier in the year and certainly no fluke given his career numbers)

Scoring 16ppg and 5.26 apg in only 26 mpg...HERE's the big point...playing alongside a big man approaching a triple double every game!

*My concern was "does he have another gear?"...even if he doesn't, that'll work - especially given Suggs' increasing scoring threat...and he still might have that big takeover ability that, IMO, we'll need to take the next step.

Also, seems like a pleasant likable guy who'll mesh well and gets off on lighting up his team & the crowd with electrifying plays.

Pay the man.

Did you see this article?

https://theathletic.com/5354066/2024/03/20/malik-monk-kings-sixth-man-nba-shooting/

Monk felt he should’ve won Sixth Man last season. He finished fifth behind Malcolm Brogdon, Immanuel Quickley, Bobby Portis and Norman Powell. He’s expected to win it this season. Monk admitted it’s an award he desires. But don’t mistake that for a full-on embrace. He doesn’t necessarily love the fact that he never starts.

“Hell no,” Monk laughs. “Hell no I don’t like it. But, s—, it’s what I got to do for us to win and play better. So I just take the role head on.”

The spotlight will soon shift to Monk’s future. He’s only 26, on the front fringe of his prime showing obvious growth. That two-year deal is about to expire. Because it’s so low, CBA rules limit the type of raise the Kings can offer him this summer, perhaps opening the door for a cap space team like the Detroit Pistons, Philadelphia 76ers or San Antonio Spurs to spike his salary out of Sacramento’s range, if they desire.

The Kings’ front office tried to plan for this. Part of the motivation for the Richaun Holmes trade this past summer was to increase what they could pay Monk. They want him around long term. But the projected max starting salary they can give him next season would be $17.4 million, translating into a four-year, $77.9 million max offer if extended out with highest allowable raises.


A 4/75 for Monk is still more than the Kings due to the 13.3% Ca state tax. It gets cut in half due to road games, but 4/75 is still more than Sac.
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Post#1797 » by RichCollab » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:25 pm

AaronB wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
Skybox wrote:Doing a little more digging on Monk and liking what I see and hear...

Shooting 6+ 3pa's and hitting at .358 (which is down a bit from earlier in the year and certainly no fluke given his career numbers)

Scoring 16ppg and 5.26 apg in only 26 mpg...HERE's the big point...playing alongside a big man approaching a triple double every game!

*My concern was "does he have another gear?"...even if he doesn't, that'll work - especially given Suggs' increasing scoring threat...and he still might have that big takeover ability that, IMO, we'll need to take the next step.

Also, seems like a pleasant likable guy who'll mesh well and gets off on lighting up his team & the crowd with electrifying plays.

Pay the man.

Did you see this article?

https://theathletic.com/5354066/2024/03/20/malik-monk-kings-sixth-man-nba-shooting/

Monk felt he should’ve won Sixth Man last season. He finished fifth behind Malcolm Brogdon, Immanuel Quickley, Bobby Portis and Norman Powell. He’s expected to win it this season. Monk admitted it’s an award he desires. But don’t mistake that for a full-on embrace. He doesn’t necessarily love the fact that he never starts.

“Hell no,” Monk laughs. “Hell no I don’t like it. But, s—, it’s what I got to do for us to win and play better. So I just take the role head on.”

The spotlight will soon shift to Monk’s future. He’s only 26, on the front fringe of his prime showing obvious growth. That two-year deal is about to expire. Because it’s so low, CBA rules limit the type of raise the Kings can offer him this summer, perhaps opening the door for a cap space team like the Detroit Pistons, Philadelphia 76ers or San Antonio Spurs to spike his salary out of Sacramento’s range, if they desire.

The Kings’ front office tried to plan for this. Part of the motivation for the Richaun Holmes trade this past summer was to increase what they could pay Monk. They want him around long term. But the projected max starting salary they can give him next season would be $17.4 million, translating into a four-year, $77.9 million max offer if extended out with highest allowable raises.


A 4/75 for Monk is still more than the Kings due to the 13.3% Ca state tax. It gets cut in half due to road games, but 4/75 is still more than Sac.


I see Monk getting closer to 4/90.
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Post#1798 » by AaronB » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:25 pm

BTW, I still prefer Russell to Monk. He will cost more, but I like his experience playing with 2 dominant bigs.
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Post#1799 » by RichCollab » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:28 pm

AaronB wrote:BTW, I still prefer Russell to Monk. He will cost more, but I like his experience playing with 2 dominant bigs.


Why would Russell leave?
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Post#1800 » by Rainwater » Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:03 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Monk fits the bill and requires us to give up no resources.

Simons isn’t even available. I don’t get the obsession.


How does he fill the bill? Monk is a 6th man, he is a microwave scorer. This is why he is so successful in Sactown. He is a Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Jamal Clarkson type player but not to the same level. We already have Cole who does what he provides. The Magic need an actual starter, an actual third option/creator.

I really think Simons will become available soon.


Brunson was a microwave off the bench in Dallas.

I feel Monk has another couple of levels.


Brunson was pretty much a starter in Dallas in his last year there. He started 61 of the 79 games played in Dallas And very rarely are players breaking out after 7 years in the league.

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