Alright, I will waste my time for at least some answers to this ridiculous post...
ballzboyee wrote:What in the world are you talking about? Duncan was 33-34 when he scored 13ppg. At worst that is the the back-end of a prime, and for a big can still be fully prime productive years. Jordan at 35 led the league in scoring at 28ppg and won MVP. Lebron James at 33-34 averaged 28ppg. Kareem around the same aged average 26ppg. People on here are saying Tim Duncan is top 5 all-time and top 3 in any era, but dude literally averaged 13ppg at the same age other top 5 all-time greats were leading the league in scoring and putting up monster numbers.
Yeah and at that age, Bill Russell averaged 12 ppg, while being the best player in the league. What does it prove?
It's amazing to me that Duncan gets so many passes for things that if any other player had their resume, then they would absolutely get killed on the all-time lists. For example, if Kobe Bryant played with four other Hall of Fame players near or in their primes for most of his career
Kobe literally played with multiple HoF players near or in their primes for most of his career.
and made the final multiple times, did not lead his team in scoring, and did not win Finals MVP multiple times, or really wasn't even the consensus best player on his team, nobody would have Kobe Bryant anywhere near the top 10 all-time, much less a top 5 player.
1. Kobe Bryant went to 3 finals when he did not lead his team in scoring.
2. Kobe Bryant did not win Finals MVP 3 times in his career.
3. Kobe Bryant was clearly the 2nd guy on his team for almost half of his prime.
Do you still have Kobe in your top 10?
Yet for some inexplicable reason Tim Duncan gets a pass on all of it. Now we are supposed to believe he would be a "top 3" player in any era. Repeat that to yourself, and think about what that actually means. That's like saying he's a top 3 player all-time.
These Tim Duncan fans are crazy.
Where are they getting these ideas of Timmy's supposed greatness?
I agree, Kobe would never be a top 3 player in any era.
For example, from 1998 to 2000 David Robinson put up per 100 28ppg/16reb/4blk compared to Duncan's 31ppg/16/3blk. Duncan fans act as though David Robinson was completely irrelevant to the 1999 championship.
No Duncan fan would ever call Robinson irrelevant in 1999. Some may think that 1999 Robinson wasn't as good as 2000-02 Shaq, you know?
This is maybe a top 20 player all-time who gets zero credit for a team and for a franchise he actually built.
Again, in opposition to a scrub called Shaquille O'Neal that Kobe had to deal with at center position... right?
Duncan won more titles without Robinson than Kobe without Shaq, your points are absurd.
Tony Parker wins Finals MVP and Manu might be the best player team overall, and Duncan gets all the credit in 2007.
Pau Gasol might have won the FMVP in 2010, but nobody criticizes Kobe for that. Parker vs Pau is a good debate, but they were not some kind of absurdly top tier teammates every all-time great wishes to have... again, unlike peak Shaq.
In 2014, Duncan was the third or fourth best player on the team,
How did you come to that conclusion? There is no way you can put 3 players ahead of Duncan on that team.
but somehow Duncan gets all of the credit for that championship even though he was clearly coattail riding a championship roster with an all-time great system coach.
Yeah, Kobe was very unlucky playing without all-time great system coach and superior teammates...
No other player is getting into the top 5 all-time based upon Duncan's history. If Kobe Bryant, for example, scored 13ppg on a championship-level roster, then I doubt he is even ranked consensus a top 15 player.
Kobe literally won the title while scoring 15 ppg on 37 FG% in the finals... did you start watching basketball yesterday?