Yuri36 wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Yuri36 wrote:
Sure, Jokic and Denver were better than a Mavs team with Dwight Powell at their main center and with Kyrie out for most of the first part of season.
After the Gafford-PJ trade though and with Kyrie now fully fit, things are surprisingly (lol) not quite the same as we saw in the last Mavs-Nuggets game....and even now, I'd argue Joker has still a better team around him than Luka.
You too hyped to be a guy that doesn’t play ball for the Mavs or have a vested interest in that man’s life.
In my OPINION Luka isn’t the best player on earth - not top 3 somewhere between 4 and 5…. Could be lower depending on the game.
I never thought Harden - who shot better when he was at his peak and a better passer at his peak as well, he was never the best player in the league ever either.
Luka is fun to watch and we all love Luka but to not bow to him isn’t blasphemy unless you actually think he is Luka god.
Oh great, another guy who thinks Luka is the new Harden.....
The only problem in your comparaison is that while their styles are effectively very similar, one has proven in only 5/6 years in the league that he is already (much) more clutch and a better PO performer than Harden in his whole career (and I obviously recognize Harden's talent).
And more significantly, he has already proven that he can inspire a team around him to give everything for him contrary to Harden (just look at his teammates reactions in the dressing room after the buzzer beater in PO against the Clippers or after the 73pts game....call me back if you've ever seen Harden's teammates showing so much appreciation to him as they had to Luka).
Ok so you must be new here - I’m not emotionally invested either way-
Harden’s best years were better than Luka’s - advance stats - harden actually has a MVP and a few runner ups - led league in points per game and assist while shooting better splits than Luka - but again like I said - I got Luka somewhere between 4 and 5 on my list of current players.
Luka played better in playoffs than harden but the mvp is a reg season award so?
When harden was at his peak and Luka currently both shoot too much to get the other guys involved and play too little defense to win a championship- their die hard fans talk about their teammates but their teammates aren’t getting the ball when they putting up 22-23 shots a game and 10+ 3s some contested and step backs -
I swear I don’t get how Luka mj Kobe and lbj fans exist in a world where opinions are all people have on the subject of who is better and they always find some reason to be mad that someone isn’t worshipping their guy-
Here is my take
Jokic best player on earth and mvp and reining champion
Giannis second best player on earth - learning how to win with Dame and since he has all the hardware of HOF career already and he is still young, rings are all that matter
Embiid is the 3rd best player on earth and probably would have won scoring title and mvp this year cause this dude can stat it up like no one else in the nba but sucks in playoffs
Luka and SGA are a toss up and not depends on the day- sga is a much better defender leader and quality shot taker he gets you 30 a night and NO drama- comes in shape and comes across like the dude you would be ok dating your sister or your daughter - and definitely is a class act as a teammate and a face of your franchise- Tim Duncan and Kawhi found their long lost cousin. No techs just ball- like most of the best Americans … he is Canadian (for now but we recruiting)
Luka - great scorer - horrible coach- big game hunter - wants the smoke with everyone at all times and I’m here for it. Christmas game - check - battles in playoffs with Kawhi- check - beef with an equivalent star check- horrible coach - pretty much horrible attitude - needs to get in shape and doesn’t play a lick of defense but everyone that watches ball knows that when Luka - first gets in elite wing shape, gets a coach with a brain, commits to defense (we see flashes) and learns how to get his guys involved - he is going to come for the top 10 all time… if he doesn’t do that - he is gonna be the nique or tmac of the Kobe Shaq MJ era - being ungodly talented ain’t enough - Luka talent elite but everyone in the top 5 is
Jokic elite plus everything else - so is Giannis I don’t think Dallas has a worse roster than Milwaukee and god knows doc sucks - but Giannis gonna have them making noise in playoffs if he healthy - Luka been healthy and the Mavs in 7th - Being a great player ain’t enough - see Jordan before phill and honestly Lebron before Miami