god shammgod wrote:saying ihart is the better rebounder/defender is like saying obi would end up better than randle. nobody would say something so ridic...oh wait lol
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aggo wrote:I wonder if mitch worked on his FTs?
No shot. He's only gotten worse through the years.
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I’ll leave this here:
Isaiah is also 3rd in the league, for eligible players, in rim protection FG% difference after Gobert and Porzingis. Players shoot 13% worse at the rim against him.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense-dash-lt6?dir=A&sort=PLUSMINUS
Meanwhile players actually shot 5% BETTER at the rim against Mitch this season.
Lastly, Isaiah is 2nd in the league in DEPM after J. Isaac. EPM is widely considered the best all-in-one advanced stat today.
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm
Isaiah was 1st in DEPM for most of the season until the achilles started acting up. DEPM also loves Mitch btw, placing him at 97th percentile. Isaiah is 99th percentile though.
Anyway, just wanted drop some facts. Im happy Mitch is back, but many posters still think Isaiah is only some solid defender when he’s absolutely elite.
Isaiah is also 3rd in the league, for eligible players, in rim protection FG% difference after Gobert and Porzingis. Players shoot 13% worse at the rim against him.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense-dash-lt6?dir=A&sort=PLUSMINUS
Meanwhile players actually shot 5% BETTER at the rim against Mitch this season.
Lastly, Isaiah is 2nd in the league in DEPM after J. Isaac. EPM is widely considered the best all-in-one advanced stat today.
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm
Isaiah was 1st in DEPM for most of the season until the achilles started acting up. DEPM also loves Mitch btw, placing him at 97th percentile. Isaiah is 99th percentile though.
Anyway, just wanted drop some facts. Im happy Mitch is back, but many posters still think Isaiah is only some solid defender when he’s absolutely elite.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
ihart is a better defender and rebounder than Mitch
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
in all seriousness
this is the perfect position for mitch
backup C where he beats up other backup Cs. I fully expect him to get even more OREBs
in fact, because I dont think he's mentally built like Grimes, I'll also bet that Mitch is gonna go off script and look for some of his own shots off the bench. as he should.
we need to pump up his trade value for the summer.
this is the perfect position for mitch
backup C where he beats up other backup Cs. I fully expect him to get even more OREBs
in fact, because I dont think he's mentally built like Grimes, I'll also bet that Mitch is gonna go off script and look for some of his own shots off the bench. as he should.
we need to pump up his trade value for the summer.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - Bruson vs IQ?
thebuzzardman wrote:Fat Kat wrote:
That means he's not playing, but it sounds nice.
Wait, Stuporman told me none of the injured players would play in any of these "laugher" games.
I guess his ability to read the future completely correctly only applies to past draft picks, once they are on a good streak.
I said Mitch was the one that could come back during these laugher games...I guess your ability to read the present moment sentences someone writes only applies to trolling posts so I write this one that way in hopes you can read it.
If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right
...you are a fan of your opinion not the team.
?
Knowledge is just information stuffed into a mental bag
Wisdom is knowing what to pull out of the bag to do the job
...you are a fan of your opinion not the team.
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Knowledge is just information stuffed into a mental bag
Wisdom is knowing what to pull out of the bag to do the job
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not only is shart a better defender than mitch, he's better than rudy gobert because of these stats. he's also better than og by the way. listen closely....you are not serious individuals.
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I Hart is absolutely not a better defender than Mitch come on
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Im Coming Home wrote:aggo wrote:I wonder if mitch worked on his FTs?
No shot. He's only gotten worse through the years.
mitch is better than stein.
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god shammgod wrote:not only is shart a better defender than mitch, he's better than rudy gobert because of these stats. he's also better than og by the way. listen closely....you are not serious individuals.
That stats are the stats. I gave you a bunch, and can keep going all day. Show me the ones where Mitch is better.
The numbers show Isaiah is elite at defending the pick and roll and the rim, and defensive rebounding. All of that rolled into one stat (DEPM) show that yes he is up there with the best in the game. Why is that so hard to believe for you?
He’s playing great defense again now without OG btw. OG is also an elite defender obviously, but he’s not the best rim protector or defensive rebounder which hurts him slightly, and why Isaiah is ranked higher overall. OG is clearly better on the perimeter and more versatile, but centers are usually the best rated defensive players because of size.
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Im Coming Home wrote:Shams probably smoking a whole pack of newports at once to celebrate.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
god shammgod wrote:not only is shart a better defender than mitch, he's better than rudy gobert because of these stats. he's also better than og by the way. listen closely....you are not serious individuals.
The one stat they neglect to include is with Mitch starting the Knicks were a top 5 defense and when he went down and iHart starting the Knicks were a bottom 5 defense. It was only after OG came did the Knicks all of a sudden become a better defensive team again.
I will be fair though, iHart has played good enough defense lately that the team defense hasn't dropped off that much after OG went out. Of course, you know that Mitch working himself back into game shape will be a perfect excuse to say he's not as good now for the people who are his haters.
If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right
...you are a fan of your opinion not the team.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
aggo wrote:I wonder if mitch worked on his FTs?
No
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
god shammgod wrote:not only is shart a better defender than mitch, he's better than rudy gobert because of these stats. he's also better than og by the way. listen closely....you are not serious individuals.
Mitch has missed 81 games the last 2 seasons, IHart is better off that fact alone. No amount of shamproganda can change the fact availability for Mitch is a D-
A full season of games, gone.
god shammgod wrote:bring back ihart
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - Bruson vs IQ?
stuporman wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Fat Kat wrote:
That means he's not playing, but it sounds nice.
Wait, Stuporman told me none of the injured players would play in any of these "laugher" games.
I guess his ability to read the future completely correctly only applies to past draft picks, once they are on a good streak.
I said Mitch was the one that could come back during these laugher games...I guess your ability to read the present moment sentences someone writes only applies to trolling posts so I write this one that way in hopes you can read it.
I can mostly understand this now.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
you are all good basketball heads
stop getting fooled by a **** highlight reel like you're in high school.
be better. seriously.
stop getting fooled by a **** highlight reel like you're in high school.
be better. seriously.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
For once my son is not lying about an injured player coming back. Let’s go!!!
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stuporman wrote:god shammgod wrote:not only is shart a better defender than mitch, he's better than rudy gobert because of these stats. he's also better than og by the way. listen closely....you are not serious individuals.
The one stat they neglect to include is with Mitch starting the Knicks were a top 5 defense and when he went down and iHart starting the Knicks were a bottom 5 defense. It was only after OG came did the Knicks all of a sudden become a better defensive team again.
I will be fair though, iHart has played good enough defense lately that the team defense hasn't dropped off that much after OG went out. Of course, you know that Mitch working himself back into game shape will be a perfect excuse to say he's not as good now for the people who are his haters.
dont just say stuff.
og has played 17 games as a knick this year
ihart has started 39, played in 65
we are not a "top" or whatever u want say defense because of those 17 games that OG played vs the 65 games ihart has played.
those 10 games where we held opponents under to 90 or whatever it was,
og played like in 2 of those games.
and
mitch 0
and ihart played in all 10
so again, please, we all have agendas, we all realize this.
but stop just saying stuff.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
We got both guys, 48 minutes of great defense, who cares.
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Re: GT: New York Knicks at Toronto Raptors at 7:30pm on Wednesday, 3/27/24 - BIG MEECH RETURN, RJ and IQ out.
stuporman wrote:god shammgod wrote:not only is shart a better defender than mitch, he's better than rudy gobert because of these stats. he's also better than og by the way. listen closely....you are not serious individuals.
The one stat they neglect to include is with Mitch starting the Knicks were a top 5 defense and when he went down and iHart starting the Knicks were a bottom 5 defense. It was only after OG came did the Knicks all of a sudden become a better defensive team again.
I will be fair though, iHart has played good enough defense lately that the team defense hasn't dropped off that much after OG went out. Of course, you know that Mitch working himself back into game shape will be a perfect excuse to say he's not as good now for the people who are his haters.
You guys keep bringing up those 2 weeks before OG.
You always neglect to mention that Isaiah was playing before then, with Mitch, too. It’s not like Isaiah replaced Mitch.
Nobody is denying we are a better team with Mitch playing over Jericho and Precious. Mitch is a very good player, but Isaiah is just better.
Also, these stats Im throwing out cover the whole season. OG has only played like 15 games, so he’s definitely not the reason Isaiah’s numbers are top shelf.
Even during our down February and early March, the team basically lost every game Isaiah didn’t play.