vvoland wrote:Onus wrote:CDM_Stats wrote:
Joe Ingles was.. Derrick Favors, Dante Exum, George Hill, Ricky Rubio, and a host of other quality defenders were with him. And it didnt hurt that they were the slowest paced team in the league, which skews defensive stats despite normalizing/regularizing metrics
Quality defenders sure. Elite defenders though not really. Like Iguodala was elite, Bogut was elite, Wiggins is elite, GP2 was elite.Prime Klay would be a #1 scoring option on most teams..
On most lottery teams sure. Not on any contending team. The last 2nd option that won a title that Klay had a better playoff run than was probably Pascal Siakam. Before that Parker or Kawhi?and Dray might not be as effective on offense without Curry, kinda like how Curry wouldnt be as effective on defense if the team literally didnt make up a scheme to hide him. But 30 teams can use a PF/C player who can initiate an offense and create just from a standstill passing.
I think a lot of teams would be able to effectively hide a single player on defense for the most part. Especially if you're able to play 3 all nba level defenders.
Passing from a big is important and does unlock some things. Agreed.And if were talking about elevation, how do Andrew Wiggins' metrics look without Draymond? Warriors have one elite defender independent of Draymond and its GP2 (not anymore, but was). And he was a backup. Klay was a heavy minutes starter, as was Poole when he subbed for Klay. But Poole would be the best example for Curry's impact. It just so happens he's also a great example for the case for Dray
Yea no doubt Dray enhances people on defense and can elevate them. He's a great defensive player one of the best. I just think Dray is like a tier or half tier below AD or Gobert. He has more help than the other 2 on defense. Dray is amazing, he just has more help on that end than Curry does on offense.
I really don't get the Gobert love. He is a one dimensional defender that, in a switch heavy league, can't really switch. He has to be in a drop on the perimeter or just parked at the rim. He is pretty great at rim protection and rebounding but other than that, I'm not seeing this generational defender that everyone else talks about. Considering he's about the win his 4th (?) DPOY which is more than AD and Dray combined, I'm flabbergasted at the love this guy gets. Here's hoping Wemby was right and after this season, it ain't gobert's time no more.
But he can somewhat switch. It's just not the best use of his talents if he's outside on the perimeter. He's constantly leading his team to elite defenses without elite talent around him. He's turned Mcdaniels into an elite perimeter defender, he's helped turn around KAT and Edwards. ANT still isn't great off ball but he cleans up so many mistakes by just being big and mobile. I mean I get it, his skillset isn't sexy. It seems like he's just tall and doesn't really even require basketball talent. But his awareness, size, and mobility make things difficult on defense. It's just the nature of the game. I mean didn't he get the no 1 seed with the Jazz? Now he's vying for the no 1 seed with the Wolves. The results speak for themselves.
Wemby is going to be a generational defender just based off of his physical attributes. I mean as a rookie he's already dominating the stat sheet and it's all basically just physical tools because he's tall, long and mobile. Wemby is taking it to another level. Wemby seriously has GOAT of all GOATs potential.