Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:
For a frame of reference - We gave up a higher pick to acquire Poeltl than any pick we got in return for Siakam......
We did not.
Yes, we did.
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Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:
For a frame of reference - We gave up a higher pick to acquire Poeltl than any pick we got in return for Siakam......
We did not.
KrazyP wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:
For a frame of reference - We gave up a higher pick to acquire Poeltl than any pick we got in return for Siakam......
We did not.
Yes, we did.
Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:
We did not.
Yes, we did.
Which pick did we give the Spurs? Which picks did we get from the Pacers?
KrazyP wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:
Yes, we did.
Which pick did we give the Spurs? Which picks did we get from the Pacers?
Obviously we dont know exactly where the picks will land. Instead of bathing yourself in ambiguity, let me ask you a simple question ----
Do you think the Spurs would give up the pick they currently own for one of the Pacers picks?
Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:
Which pick did we give the Spurs? Which picks did we get from the Pacers?
Obviously we dont know exactly where the picks will land. Instead of bathing yourself in ambiguity, let me ask you a simple question ----
Do you think the Spurs would give up the pick they currently own for one of the Pacers picks?
No. If we stay at 6 or move up, then yes, I think they might. If the Pacers 2026 pick is #5, I think they might wish they had.
Not quite so simple a question afterall.
KrazyP wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:
Obviously we dont know exactly where the picks will land. Instead of bathing yourself in ambiguity, let me ask you a simple question ----
Do you think the Spurs would give up the pick they currently own for one of the Pacers picks?
No. If we stay at 6 or move up, then yes, I think they might. If the Pacers 2026 pick is #5, I think they might wish they had.
Not quite so simple a question afterall.
You are dancing around like the politician.
The pick the Spurs own has more value. You are being disingenuous if you think it does not.
- Raptors RealGM Forum re: Masai Ujiri - June 2023What an absolute failure and disaster this franchise is, ran by one of the most incompetent front offices in the league.
KrazyP wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:KrazyP wrote:
Obviously we dont know exactly where the picks will land. Instead of bathing yourself in ambiguity, let me ask you a simple question ----
Do you think the Spurs would give up the pick they currently own for one of the Pacers picks?
No. If we stay at 6 or move up, then yes, I think they might. If the Pacers 2026 pick is #5, I think they might wish they had.
Not quite so simple a question afterall.
You are dancing around like the politician.
The pick the Spurs own has more value. You are being disingenuous if you think it does not.
YogurtProducer wrote:KrazyP wrote:Fairview4Life wrote:
No. If we stay at 6 or move up, then yes, I think they might. If the Pacers 2026 pick is #5, I think they might wish they had.
Not quite so simple a question afterall.
You are dancing around like the politician.
The pick the Spurs own has more value. You are being disingenuous if you think it does not.
Maybe, maybe not. #7 or #17 and a 2026 1st?
Especially when you consider it could end up as a trend pick in 2025 anyways if we stay top 6.
KrazyP wrote:This is a different discussion. The original point was the Poeltl pick is better than any individual pick the Raps got in the Siakam trade.
Tor_Raps wrote:What the hells even being discussed in this thread? The trade was horrible simply because of the desperate position Masai put himself in.
If the Raptors are able to get a multiple time allstar/all nba player for Bruce, scrubs and those 3 level of picks this offseason... everyone would sign up asap.
Arguing otherwise just makes you look so damn homerish. Hope MLSE is atleast paying some of you folks for these takes lol.
KrazyP wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:KrazyP wrote:
You are dancing around like the politician.
The pick the Spurs own has more value. You are being disingenuous if you think it does not.
Maybe, maybe not. #7 or #17 and a 2026 1st?
Especially when you consider it could end up as a trend pick in 2025 anyways if we stay top 6.
This is a different discussion. The original point was the Poeltl pick is better than any individual pick the Raps got in the Siakam trade.
- Raptors RealGM Forum re: Masai Ujiri - June 2023What an absolute failure and disaster this franchise is, ran by one of the most incompetent front offices in the league.
bballsparkin wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:What the hells even being discussed in this thread? The trade was horrible simply because of the desperate position Masai put himself in.
If the Raptors are able to get a multiple time allstar/all nba player for Bruce, scrubs and those 3 level of picks this offseason... everyone would sign up asap.
Arguing otherwise just makes you look so damn homerish. Hope MLSE is atleast paying some of you folks for these takes lol.
What trade option for Pascal was better? I'll wait,...that's right you don't know. Neither do I. I believe it wasn't nearly as big as many of you assumed it to have been. And many are not considering salary. The Pascal trade was a win salary wise in a tight financial market. Potentially. The Poeltl trade I do not like either. Yet lets not forget Birch's final season wasn't dumped. Following the NHL and it's hard cap structure shows the importance of financial flexibility and the cost to acquire it.
Tor_Raps wrote:Wow, great argument. "It wasn't a bad trade because we aren't privy to what else was out there." Guess you must have loved the Vince Carter trade too for the same reason. Also, that "dumping of Birch's contract" was the same one he gave him lol.
The NBA is a results based industry so it's very easy to know how the Raptors are doing by what we see on the court and what potential assets they have at their disposal for the future. They have dug themselves a massive hole but not one they can't see themselves out of. Let's hope we can keep our pick and Masai works some magic this offseason.
Tor_Raps wrote:What the hells even being discussed in this thread? The trade was horrible simply because of the desperate position Masai put himself in.
If the Raptors are able to get a multiple time allstar/all nba player for Bruce, scrubs and those 3 level of picks this offseason... everyone would sign up asap.
Arguing otherwise just makes you look so damn homerish. Hope MLSE is atleast paying some of you folks for these takes lol.
RoteSchroder wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:What the hells even being discussed in this thread? The trade was horrible simply because of the desperate position Masai put himself in.
If the Raptors are able to get a multiple time allstar/all nba player for Bruce, scrubs and those 3 level of picks this offseason... everyone would sign up asap.
Arguing otherwise just makes you look so damn homerish. Hope MLSE is atleast paying some of you folks for these takes lol.
would you trade 3 low-mid 1sts for Bradley Beal? He's on a long term contract, so we don't need to worry about losing him
Tor_Raps wrote:RoteSchroder wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:What the hells even being discussed in this thread? The trade was horrible simply because of the desperate position Masai put himself in.
If the Raptors are able to get a multiple time allstar/all nba player for Bruce, scrubs and those 3 level of picks this offseason... everyone would sign up asap.
Arguing otherwise just makes you look so damn homerish. Hope MLSE is atleast paying some of you folks for these takes lol.
would you trade 3 low-mid 1sts for Bradley Beal? He's on a long term contract, so we don't need to worry about losing him
No because Beals making the supermax and has been injured/performing like crap. Whereas Siakam has been much healthier, performed at a much higher level more recently, won a championship as a proven number 2/3 and would earn less than Beal.
My point wasnt even to not trade Siakam but if you decided you werent going to re-sign him then trade the man asap. Masai held on too long where he had 0 leverage. Youre gonna have to find a better comparable for how Siakam has been performing more recently.
Tor_Raps wrote:RoteSchroder wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:What the hells even being discussed in this thread? The trade was horrible simply because of the desperate position Masai put himself in.
If the Raptors are able to get a multiple time allstar/all nba player for Bruce, scrubs and those 3 level of picks this offseason... everyone would sign up asap.
Arguing otherwise just makes you look so damn homerish. Hope MLSE is atleast paying some of you folks for these takes lol.
would you trade 3 low-mid 1sts for Bradley Beal? He's on a long term contract, so we don't need to worry about losing him
No because Beals making the supermax and has been injured/performing like crap. Whereas Siakam has been much healthier, performed at a much higher level more recently, won a championship as a proven number 2/3 and would earn less than Beal.
My point wasnt even to not trade Siakam but if you decided you werent going to re-sign him then trade the man asap. Masai held on too long where he had 0 leverage. Youre gonna have to find a better comparable for how Siakam has been performing more recently.