[Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves

[Klomp]

Umm, you give credit to ARod and Lore for the moves their GM did, but don’t give credit to Taylor for the moves his GM did?

Step back and try to feign objectivity.

Glens gms? Which one? The one that signed Joe Smith under the table? The one that drafted Flynn over curry? The one who drafted Shabazz over giannis? Or did you just become a timberwolves fan the past two years?

Have you watched the last two years? Ant is pretty good, and he was selected by Taylor’s GM. Taylor’s GM drafted Jaden, and Taylor’s GM picked Finch, even when there was a public outcry against it.

Yes, Taylor has made many mistakes, but if you only give your side credit for wins, you aren’t fairly accessing the situation. No credit for Ant? “None?”

Dude! Come back to earth. Your hate is making you irrational, and it’s embarrassing.

Actually, it was largely Ethan Casson's GM...

About 10 days before the Timberwolves were set to begin interviewing finalists for their open president of basketball operations job, Ethan Casson gathered his hand-picked, six-person committee in the Commissioner’s Room at the team’s headquarters.

Seated at the conference table in the room overlooking the Timberwolves practice courts were chief revenue officer Ryan Tanke, vice president of basketball development John Thomas, chief people officer Sianneh Mulbah, vice president of social responsibility Jennifer Ridgeway and Jim Petersen, the television analyst for Fox Sports North.

The 45-year-old Casson was presiding over his first search for a basketball boss, having been empowered by Glen Taylor to whittle a field of 30 or so candidates down to one or two for a face-to-face meeting with the owner. Casson knew there would be doubters out there, of his ability to identify the right talent and of the organization’s ability to dispatch years of dysfunction to make the right move.

https://theathletic.com/963229/2019/05/06/inside-the-search-people-process-that-brought-gersson-rosas-to-timberwolves/

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Umm, you give credit to ARod and Lore for the moves their GM did, but don’t give credit to Taylor for the moves his GM did?

Step back and try to feign objectivity.

Glens gms? Which one? The one that signed Joe Smith under the table? The one that drafted Flynn over curry? The one who drafted Shabazz over giannis? Or did you just become a timberwolves fan the past two years?

Have you watched the last two years? Ant is pretty good, and he was selected by Taylor’s GM. Taylor’s GM drafted Jaden, and Taylor’s GM picked Finch, even when there was a public outcry against it.

Yes, Taylor has made many mistakes, but if you only give your side credit for wins, you aren’t fairly accessing the situation. No credit for Ant? “None?”

Dude! Come back to earth. Your hate is making you irrational, and it’s embarrassing.

Guest I'm with Shrink. You are being completely irrational.

[KGdaBom]

Glens gms? Which one? The one that signed Joe Smith under the table? The one that drafted Flynn over curry? The one who drafted Shabazz over giannis? Or did you just become a timberwolves fan the past two years?

Have you watched the last two years? Ant is pretty good, and he was selected by Taylor’s GM. Taylor’s GM drafted Jaden, and Taylor’s GM picked Finch, even when there was a public outcry against it.

Yes, Taylor has made many mistakes, but if you only give your side credit for wins, you aren’t fairly accessing the situation. No credit for Ant? “None?”

Dude! Come back to earth. Your hate is making you irrational, and it’s embarrassing.

Actually, it was largely Ethan Casson's GM...

About 10 days before the Timberwolves were set to begin interviewing finalists for their open president of basketball operations job, Ethan Casson gathered his hand-picked, six-person committee in the Commissioner’s Room at the team’s headquarters.

Seated at the conference table in the room overlooking the Timberwolves practice courts were chief revenue officer Ryan Tanke, vice president of basketball development John Thomas, chief people officer Sianneh Mulbah, vice president of social responsibility Jennifer Ridgeway and Jim Petersen, the television analyst for Fox Sports North.

The 45-year-old Casson was presiding over his first search for a basketball boss, having been empowered by Glen Taylor to whittle a field of 30 or so candidates down to one or two for a face-to-face meeting with the owner. Casson knew there would be doubters out there, of his ability to identify the right talent and of the organization’s ability to dispatch years of dysfunction to make the right move.

https://theathletic.com/963229/2019/05/06/inside-the-search-people-process-that-brought-gersson-rosas-to-timberwolves/

See the bolded. It was Taylor's choice by virtue of empowering Casson to do it.

[thinktank]

It’s far from irrational to say Taylor has sucked as an owner. It’s more irrational to be a homer and say he’s been good.

Big picture.

[guest81]

Umm, you give credit to ARod and Lore for the moves their GM did, but don’t give credit to Taylor for the moves his GM did?

Step back and try to feign objectivity.

Glens gms? Which one? The one that signed Joe Smith under the table? The one that drafted Flynn over curry? The one who drafted Shabazz over giannis? Or did you just become a timberwolves fan the past two years?

Have you watched the last two years? Ant is pretty good, and he was selected by Taylor’s GM. Taylor’s GM drafted Jaden, and Taylor’s GM picked Finch, even when there was a public outcry against it.

Yes, Taylor has made many mistakes, but if you only give your side credit for wins, you aren’t fairly accessing the situation. No credit for Ant? “None?”

Dude! Come back to earth. Your hate is making you irrational, and it’s embarrassing.

Sure, give him that credit. But he's also been the owner for what 25 years now? 2 of them are good? Yea ant ok, Glen was also involved in kg, a top 10 talent of all time, and ruined his career for what it should of been then has distanced him from the franchise. That's glen

[guest81]

Glens gms? Which one? The one that signed Joe Smith under the table? The one that drafted Flynn over curry? The one who drafted Shabazz over giannis? Or did you just become a timberwolves fan the past two years?

Have you watched the last two years? Ant is pretty good, and he was selected by Taylor’s GM. Taylor’s GM drafted Jaden, and Taylor’s GM picked Finch, even when there was a public outcry against it.

Yes, Taylor has made many mistakes, but if you only give your side credit for wins, you aren’t fairly accessing the situation. No credit for Ant? “None?”

Dude! Come back to earth. Your hate is making you irrational, and it’s embarrassing.

Guest I'm with Shrink. You are being completely irrational.

I've been a Wolves fan since 98. I think if you've been a fan longer then like 5 years, you can't say Glen has been a good owner just from what he's put fans through

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Glens gms? Which one? The one that signed Joe Smith under the table? The one that drafted Flynn over curry? The one who drafted Shabazz over giannis? Or did you just become a timberwolves fan the past two years?

Have you watched the last two years? Ant is pretty good, and he was selected by Taylor’s GM. Taylor’s GM drafted Jaden, and Taylor’s GM picked Finch, even when there was a public outcry against it.

Yes, Taylor has made many mistakes, but if you only give your side credit for wins, you aren’t fairly accessing the situation. No credit for Ant? “None?”

Dude! Come back to earth. Your hate is making you irrational, and it’s embarrassing.

Sure, give him that credit. But he's also been the owner for what 25 years now? 2 of them are good? Yea ant ok, Glen was also involved in kg, a top 10 talent of all time, and ruined his career for what it should of been then has distanced him from the franchise. That's glen

Are we debating if Glen has made mistakes? There should be no debate. Glen has made mistakes. Are we debating who's to blame in the purchase of the Wolves falling apart? Glen's culpability is in agreeing to the sale over years with a couple of guys not capable or willing to pull it off. Glen should have never agreed to sell to A Rod and Lore and particularly under the stupid arrangement that was made. Everything since the purchase agreement was signed is on A Rod and Lore for not coming through with the agreed to deadlines. Glen without question made the right choice to terminate the sale and put an end to this charade.

[thinktank]

We can’t say now which ownership group would be better moving forward but we know that Taylor has been the worst owner in pro sports (or next to it).

Keep in mind, the increase in the Wolves value would’ve benefitted Lore / ARod as much as it will benefit Taylor (if the sale doesn’t happen—looking like it won’t).

[KGdaBom]

Have you watched the last two years? Ant is pretty good, and he was selected by Taylor’s GM. Taylor’s GM drafted Jaden, and Taylor’s GM picked Finch, even when there was a public outcry against it.

Yes, Taylor has made many mistakes, but if you only give your side credit for wins, you aren’t fairly accessing the situation. No credit for Ant? “None?”

Dude! Come back to earth. Your hate is making you irrational, and it’s embarrassing.

Guest I'm with Shrink. You are being completely irrational.

I've been a Wolves fan since 98. I think if you've been a fan longer then like 5 years, you can't say Glen has been a good owner just from what he's put fans through

I was a fan of the Wolves ever since their inception 1989. I was in the Wolves locker room with the players and coaches for their second ever draft (1990 Felton Spencer).

Glen and David Stern are the reasons the Wolves stayed in Minnesota. I give him credit for that. Did I say Glen was a good owner? Show me where. Maybe I'm senile or whatever else happens to old people and I forgot when I called Glen a good owner.

[guest81]

Guest I'm with Shrink. You are being completely irrational.

I've been a Wolves fan since 98. I think if you've been a fan longer then like 5 years, you can't say Glen has been a good owner just from what he's put fans through

I was a fan of the Wolves ever since their inception 1989. I was in the Wolves locker room with the players and coaches for their second ever draft (1990 Felton Spencer).

Glen and David Stern are the reasons the Wolves stayed in Minnesota. I give him credit for that. Did I say Glen was a good owner? Show me where. Maybe I'm senile or whatever else happens to old people and I forgot when I called Glen a good owner.

I don't think it's being irrational to suggest gay Glen continuing to be the owner in the foreseeable future is nothing short of a disaster

[thinktank]

“gay Glen”? Hope that’s a typo.

[winforlose]

“gay Glen”? Hope that’s a typo.

Either that or Becky has a surprise in her pants. One thing I will say about this whole do we want Glen thing. If he commits to getting out of the way. If he keeps TC and Finch around and uses someone else to replace either should they choose to leave, then we MIGHT, be able to avoid the usual Glen Taylor **** show that brought us David Kahn. Also, he needs to commit to not making money trades like Roy for Foy or selling draft picks (firsts or seconds,) for cash. If Glen just wants to be the money guy and sit with his wife in the front row, that’s fine with me. If he wants more involvement than that, I start to worry.

[wolves_89]

The whole situation makes me sad. Lore and A-Rod have been more than competent decision makers in the couple of years they've largely been driving the organization, but they don't seem to have the financial depth. Glen Taylor has the money, but has a 30 year track record of poor decision making that has resulted in a team solidly in the conversation for the least successful franchise in all of professional sports. At this point I'm not sure there is a good outcome.

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I've been a Wolves fan since 98. I think if you've been a fan longer then like 5 years, you can't say Glen has been a good owner just from what he's put fans through

I was a fan of the Wolves ever since their inception 1989. I was in the Wolves locker room with the players and coaches for their second ever draft (1990 Felton Spencer).

Glen and David Stern are the reasons the Wolves stayed in Minnesota. I give him credit for that. Did I say Glen was a good owner? Show me where. Maybe I'm senile or whatever else happens to old people and I forgot when I called Glen a good owner.

I don't think it's being irrational to suggest gay Glen continuing to be the owner in the foreseeable future is nothing short of a disaster

Now you're getting downright ridiculous. Yes i know gay can mean happy. If that's what you mean use the word happy.

[KGdaBom]

The whole situation makes me sad. Lore and A-Rod have been more than competent decision makers in the couple of years they've largely been driving the organization, but they don't seem to have the financial depth. Glen Taylor has the money, but has a 30 year track record of poor decision making that has resulted in a team solidly in the conversation for the least successful franchise in all of professional sports. At this point I'm not sure there is a good outcome.

This is already a mess. Hopefully that's all it is and doesn't turn into a total disaster.

[shrink]

It’s far from irrational to say Taylor has sucked as an owner. It’s more irrational to be a homer and say he’s been good.

I don't think it's being irrational to suggest gay Glen continuing to be the owner in the foreseeable future is nothing short of a disaster

But that is not what I am calling him irrational for

Lore and Arod brought in Connley, who Glen didn't even know, into the fold whose moves turned the wolves in a bottom playoff team to a championship contender. Do you honestly believe the team would be where it is right now if Glen was the owner this whole time?

No. But do you believe we’d be here if a different GM drafted Wiseman instead of Ant?

We’re in a great position, but it’s the accumulation of a lot of good decisions by a lot of people.

none of which is glen taylor

If he gives Lore and ARod credit for our success for the GM they brought in, it is irrational to not give credit to Taylor for the success that for the GM he (through Cassian) brought in.

“Look what he did ten years ago or five years ago” doesn’t make this less true, by the exact same standard he set up for Lore and ARod. It’s trying to change the subject, or justify irrationality.

And to both of you - no one said Taylor was a good owner. It isn’t cool to change someone’s argument just to argue against it.

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Guest I'm with Shrink. You are being completely irrational.

I've been a Wolves fan since 98. I think if you've been a fan longer then like 5 years, you can't say Glen has been a good owner just from what he's put fans through

I was a fan of the Wolves ever since their inception 1989. I was in the Wolves locker room with the players and coaches for their second ever draft (1990 Felton Spencer).

Glen and David Stern are the reasons the Wolves stayed in Minnesota. I give him credit for that. Did I say Glen was a good owner? Show me where. Maybe I'm senile or whatever else happens to old people and I forgot when I called Glen a good owner.

Very cool locker room story! I went to games in the MetroDome in the first season, #4 on the all time list for NBA attendance for a regular season game (49,550).

But locker room? Very cool.

[shrink]

The whole situation makes me sad. Lore and A-Rod have been more than competent decision makers in the couple of years they've largely been driving the organization, but they don't seem to have the financial depth. Glen Taylor has the money, but has a 30 year track record of poor decision making that has resulted in a team solidly in the conversation for the least successful franchise in all of professional sports. At this point I'm not sure there is a good outcome.

This is how I see it too.

They should really work together, bringing their own strengths. Taylor has even been restrained about butting in his whole tenure (too restrained, giving his bad hires long leashes). I would like ARod and Lore to have the steering wheel, and Taylor (the richest person in Minnesota) to be the financial engine. That’s gotten us here. But these rich kids can’t won’t share the car, and we fans are trapped in the backseat, hoping they don’t take us over a cliff.