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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#841 » by cpower » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:08 pm

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cpower wrote:he is great, but probably wont become MVP candidate until his offense improves dramatically


I'm not sure about that. If his team was a top 4 team right now and he had played at C all season then he's definitely an MVP candidate already.

why would his team top 4 ? i mean their team is ranked 27th in offense so in order for him being top 4 they will need to have an allstar guard to play along side him.
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Post#842 » by bledredwine » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:10 pm

As soon as this thread was made, I was overjoyed because I knew how funny it would be in the months ahead. That said, this is no insult to the OP. I’m just stating the delight that I receive from this thread and Victor’s growth.
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#843 » by zimpy27 » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:24 pm

cpower wrote:
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cpower wrote:he is great, but probably wont become MVP candidate until his offense improves dramatically


I'm not sure about that. If his team was a top 4 team right now and he had played at C all season then he's definitely an MVP candidate already.

why would his team top 4 ? i mean their team is ranked 27th in offense so in order for him being top 4 they will need to have an allstar guard to play along side him.


Well they'd need more talent on the team. Team has no starting level playmaker.
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Post#844 » by DwayneSchintzus » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:05 pm

40-20-7 last night on 4-9 3PA, after Mitchell Robinson pushed him around at MSG and they chanted over-rated at him in the 1st game...
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Post#845 » by Yoshun » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:23 pm

Poor Lux, another victim to reacting to a small sample size at the start of the season. We've all been there.
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Post#846 » by Bornstellar » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:05 pm

Stuff like this is already becoming so normal for Wemby it doesn't even warrant it's own thread on the GB :lol: dude is already a legend
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Post#847 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:13 pm

This is why it’s so funny to me to see folks who were saying Pop is ruining Wemby’s development early on. Turns out one of the greatest basketball minds of all time maybe knew what he was doing!
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Post#848 » by Loneshot » Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:09 pm

What does concern me are his teammates. They understand whose team it is, right? Why do they ignore him when he's wide open many times? It's so frustrating. Do his teammates envy him?
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Post#849 » by rockmanslim » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:12 pm

Loneshot wrote:What does concern me are his teammates. They understand whose team it is, right? Why do they ignore him when he's wide open many times? It's so frustrating. Do his teammates envy him?

I haven't had time to sit down and watch a Spurs game since early in the season, but this is still happening, isn't it? 74 games into the season? :nonono:
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Post#850 » by Capn'O » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:18 pm

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Loneshot wrote:What does concern me are his teammates. They understand whose team it is, right? Why do they ignore him when he's wide open many times? It's so frustrating. Do his teammates envy him?

I haven't had time to sit down and watch a Spurs game since early in the season, but this is still happening, isn't it? 74 games into the season? :nonono:


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Post#851 » by DwayneSchintzus » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:29 pm

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Loneshot wrote:What does concern me are his teammates. They understand whose team it is, right? Why do they ignore him when he's wide open many times? It's so frustrating. Do his teammates envy him?

I haven't had time to sit down and watch a Spurs game since early in the season, but this is still happening, isn't it? 74 games into the season? :nonono:


His teammates seemed to know what time it was last night.


I thibk they are all being coached to be aggressive and look for their own shot, which is the right thing to do, and theyre slowly learning how to play with Vic and remain aggressive.

Our Duncan teams really took off when multiple people could hurt you within the structure of a system. Ultimately that will be better for Wemby and better for their careers too.

His usage rate is really high as well. He has such physical advantages that people will always feel like he is getting overlooked by his teammates, but they can’t just give it to him every time down.

we don’t want to play like Kobe ffs
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Post#852 » by Loneshot » Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:49 pm

DwayneSchintzus wrote:
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rockmanslim wrote:I haven't had time to sit down and watch a Spurs game since early in the season, but this is still happening, isn't it? 74 games into the season? :nonono:


His teammates seemed to know what time it was last night.


I thibk they are all being coached to be aggressive and look for their own shot, which is the right thing to do, and theyre slowly learning how to play with Vic and remain aggressive.

Our Duncan teams really took off when multiple people could hurt you within the structure of a system. Ultimately that will be better for Wemby and better for their careers too.

His usage rate is really high as well. He has such physical advantages that people will always feel like he is getting overlooked by his teammates, but they can’t just give it to him every time down.

we don’t want to play like Kobe ffs


I hear where you're coming from and it was something I considered, because it does look like that way, usually. Sometimes it looks like they are looking for everyone except Wemby though, deliberately passing past or away from him. He is too big to not see, so when he's running from one side to the other with his arms up and not being closely guarded, maybe he should get the ball.
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Post#853 » by FreeBird23 » Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:23 am

So Wemby is not playing today. So his season is over.

Offical stats rookie season :

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Funny to see that his stats with the Spurs are very close to his stats with Boulogne in his last season in France.

It's in french, so PD (assists), IN (steals), BP (turnovers), CT (blocks), FA (fouls).
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Post#854 » by The-Power » Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:46 am

Loneshot wrote:I hear where you're coming from and it was something I considered, because it does look like that way, usually. Sometimes it looks like they are looking for everyone except Wemby though, deliberately passing past or away from him. He is too big to not see, so when he's running from one side to the other with his arms up and not being closely guarded, maybe he should get the ball.

Victor is #1 on the Spurs in frontcourt touches (Vassell closely behind with more MPG, nobody else is even close) and he is #6 in the entire league in USG% (only behind Luka, Giannis, SGA, Brunson and Edwards). And that's over the course of the entire season. He gets all he can eat.
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Post#855 » by sisibilio » Sun Apr 14, 2024 12:54 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:This is why it’s so funny to me to see folks who were saying Pop is ruining Wemby’s development early on. Turns out one of the greatest basketball minds of all time maybe knew what he was doing!
Yeah, don't buy that. Those absurd lineups and rotations had nothing to do with helping Victor's development but just securing that top 5 pick early on.
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Post#856 » by Ssj16 » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:17 pm

sisibilio wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:This is why it’s so funny to me to see folks who were saying Pop is ruining Wemby’s development early on. Turns out one of the greatest basketball minds of all time maybe knew what he was doing!
Yeah, don't buy that. Those absurd lineups and rotations had nothing to do with helping Victor's development but just securing that top 5 pick early on.


I also think thar even tho Pop is arguably the GOAT coach he was making some decisions earlier on that were to the detriment of Wemby and the Spurs but kudos for him on righting the ship eventually.
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Post#857 » by FreeBird23 » Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:10 pm

Even before the season we knew that the Spurs, even with Wemby, will compete for a high pick and development of the young guys.
It as nothing to do with Pop, Spurs are just smart to rebuild their team in 2 or 3 years.
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Post#858 » by BetterCallSaul » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:04 pm

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he's 7'5. he's already unguardable. :lol: :lol: he's a 7'5 player who makes things difficult on himself by playing like he's 6'4. he doesn't need moves, he can just stand straight and tall and shoot from anywhere whenever he feels like it. no moves no nuttin' necessary. he's puts on a move, puts the ball on the floor,,,THEN he becomes guardable

he has height.....he doesn't use it


It's the NBA, being 7'5 doesn't make you unguardable at all. He's getting ready to go face to face with guys like Giannis and Embiid in the playoffs. He wants to take them out of the paint into where he's more comfortable. If he has to take contact and bang around in the paint with them he's playing to their game. He's trying to develop something that will make him unguardable at the highest level, not at LA Fitness. In case you haven't noticed, he's extremely skinny. I don't see the value in putting him at risk of injury by forcing him to be more "efficient" on a team that has 5 wins. Maybe they'd have 7 if he did. If Pop wanted, I'm sure he could find many ways to squeeze out another 5 wins from this team. What's the point?
I think the vision will always be to see if this guy can hit 3+ threes a game and then start driving into open lanes after a pump fake.


so you're saying sas wants to cultivate a 7'5 wing
okay, we'll revisit this in 3yrs :) :) :)

like, you know why kd and kat and lauri are unguardable. not only are they 7' but they shoot 3s with the best of them. lauri and kd both were shooting 3s off the dribble since college at least - and both near 40%

so here's my math. by my reckoning wemby MUST shoot 3s at a similar ELITE clip or,,,what's the point. that is, what is the point of a 7'5 player shooting 3s at an average % - he has to be at least as good as kd/lauri/kat. anything less is not worth it because of the very fact that he's 7'5. 7'5 makes you untouchable. are you taking advantage of being untoucahable if you can only be average when 7'5 inherently makes you well above average in almost anything you do, and fully capable of MUCH MORE. does shooting 3s mean they have to "respect your outside game?" WHY?,,,you're 7'5.

what i'm saying is,,,7'5 changes everything. it's NOT being only 7'. it's not like giannis facing a wall so he had to expand his game(which btw i still think he would be better served to develop an 12foot game). as far as i can see. wemby shooting a 3 is a turnover


So according to a widely shared stat Wemby finished the season as a 47% shooter on step back threes. I believe that was best in the league. Also 37.5% as a pull up 3 point shooter. Would you consider this something unguardable? Still think he was wasting his time this year?
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Post#859 » by Special_Puppy » Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:26 pm

BetterCallSaul wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
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It's the NBA, being 7'5 doesn't make you unguardable at all. He's getting ready to go face to face with guys like Giannis and Embiid in the playoffs. He wants to take them out of the paint into where he's more comfortable. If he has to take contact and bang around in the paint with them he's playing to their game. He's trying to develop something that will make him unguardable at the highest level, not at LA Fitness. In case you haven't noticed, he's extremely skinny. I don't see the value in putting him at risk of injury by forcing him to be more "efficient" on a team that has 5 wins. Maybe they'd have 7 if he did. If Pop wanted, I'm sure he could find many ways to squeeze out another 5 wins from this team. What's the point?
I think the vision will always be to see if this guy can hit 3+ threes a game and then start driving into open lanes after a pump fake.


so you're saying sas wants to cultivate a 7'5 wing
okay, we'll revisit this in 3yrs :) :) :)

like, you know why kd and kat and lauri are unguardable. not only are they 7' but they shoot 3s with the best of them. lauri and kd both were shooting 3s off the dribble since college at least - and both near 40%

so here's my math. by my reckoning wemby MUST shoot 3s at a similar ELITE clip or,,,what's the point. that is, what is the point of a 7'5 player shooting 3s at an average % - he has to be at least as good as kd/lauri/kat. anything less is not worth it because of the very fact that he's 7'5. 7'5 makes you untouchable. are you taking advantage of being untoucahable if you can only be average when 7'5 inherently makes you well above average in almost anything you do, and fully capable of MUCH MORE. does shooting 3s mean they have to "respect your outside game?" WHY?,,,you're 7'5.

what i'm saying is,,,7'5 changes everything. it's NOT being only 7'. it's not like giannis facing a wall so he had to expand his game(which btw i still think he would be better served to develop an 12foot game). as far as i can see. wemby shooting a 3 is a turnover


So according to a widely shared stat Wemby finished the season as a 47% shooter on step back threes. I believe that was best in the league. Also 37.5% as a pull up 3 point shooter. Would you consider this something unguardable? Still think he was wasting his time this year?


Wemby is a ~31.5% 3-point shooter in DARKO's skill estimate. I can easily see him get that up to ~35.5% eventually though
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