NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[Petergrifindor]

And what happened so that Jokic should not be MVP? He has 8 more wins, statistically better season, and is a better player than Luka.

This year, two of those three are false.

[AleksandarN]

This season really feels like a Jokic redemption MVP season. Basically whatever happens Nikola is MVP! Also feels like Luka has somehow become the bad guy with voters fatigue for an award he hasn't won.
- Shai beating Jokic 3 times. NIKOLA MVP!
- Denver goes 11-2 after the all star break. NIKOLA MVP!! Dallas goes 10-1, the only loss to OKC without Luka. MEH...
- Dallas having far more injuries than any other MVP candidate... Poor poor Nikola, had to play without Murray. Luka BALL HOG, doesnt want to pass to his GLeague teammates.
- Look at the standings! the Mavs are a 6th seed, the NUGGETS ARE 3RD!!!! NIKOLA GOAT!
- Jokic plays 2 games with a small wrist injury, Nuggets lost - poor Nikola, he's a true warrior and that's why deserves MVP. Luka plays with achilles soreness, clearly banged up and limping on the court, won both 2 games on the road - LUKA BUM has dropped off, can't even walk normal.

Also the Mavs finally have a lineup that played more than 100 minutes this year. Doncic-Irving-Derrick Jones Jr-PJ Washington-Gafford have played 112 minutes together and have a net rating of 22.6, and a 97,5 defensive rating, pretty good if you ask me. For comparison, the Nuggets starting five is at 895 min, the OKC starting five 770.
If you ask me lineup consistency is a huge factor with on/off numbers, especially with your starting lineups.

How many games have Irving missed this year compared to Murray. Both are great players. But don’t make it sound that Denver has been injury free

[AleksandarN]

And what happened so that Jokic should not be MVP? He has 8 more wins, statistically better season, and is a better player than Luka.

This year, two of those three are false.

All three are true. Better advanced stats on a better team. Less mpg and on less usage. Jokic also makes his teammates better regardless of the lineup. Starters or non starters

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[Petergrifindor]

Nah, Jokic is great, but if this year he wins the MVP, it would be either because of inertia or compensation for last year.

Luka has better numbers, and is doing much heavy lifting than Jokic.

If Dallas finish strong in these last games he should be the MVP, he has been clearly the best player this season.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Nah, Jokic is great, but if this year he wins the MVP, it would be either because of inertia or compensation for last year.

Luka has better numbers, and is doing much heavy lifting than Jokic.

If Dallas finish strong in these last games he should be the MVP, he has been clearly the best player this season.

Luka still third here. It’s not the March and April award, it’s a season award.

SGA playing more games on better efficiency and worlds better defense puts him at 2. Jokic’s season may feel down to you but it’s really not. Jokic is the MVP.

Luka has a great shot at the MVP next year starting the season with a better team.

[losmi]

Nah, Jokic is great, but if this year he wins the MVP, it would be either because of inertia or compensation for last year.

Luka has better numbers, and is doing much heavy lifting than Jokic.

If Dallas finish strong in these last games he should be the MVP, he has been clearly the best player this season.

No, he does not have better numbers. Jokic has better numbers. Jokic has been clearly the best player this season. Jokic has more wins. There is no case for Luka over Jokic.

[Bob8]

Nah, Jokic is great, but if this year he wins the MVP, it would be either because of inertia or compensation for last year.

Luka has better numbers, and is doing much heavy lifting than Jokic.

If Dallas finish strong in these last games he should be the MVP, he has been clearly the best player this season.

Luka still third here. It’s not the March and April award, it’s a season award.

SGA playing more games on better efficiency and worlds better defense puts him at 2. Jokic’s season may feel down to you but it’s really not. Jokic is the MVP.

Luka has a great shot at the MVP next year starting the season with a better team.

You forgot to mention that Luka is better than Shai in points, rebounds, assists, advanced stats and has almost identical efg%. And like things are looking OKC being 3rd and Mavs 4th in RS is a real possibility.

https://stathead.com/tiny/sbCcX

Btw. Luka was the best player of the February in the West and he averaged 37.1/9.2/10.4 in January.

[Sgt Major]

Every two weeks another group comes to rage about Jokic. First it was the Sixers fans, then the Bucks fans, after them SGA crew and now Luka's worshipers. And it's been like that for years.


That Jokic guy is really out of this world.

[Bob8]

Every two weeks another group comes to rage about Jokic. First it was the Sixers fans, then the Bucks fans, after them SGA crew and now Luka's worshipers. And it's been like that for years.


That Jokic guy is really out of this world.

You might read better, very few Luka's fans argue that Luka is better than Jokic. SGA being different story. And it seems Jokic having few worshippers too, who are defending him even when is no need.

Looking at West, Jokic and Denver will need all possible help in playoffs. No more walking in the park this year.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Nah, Jokic is great, but if this year he wins the MVP, it would be either because of inertia or compensation for last year.

Luka has better numbers, and is doing much heavy lifting than Jokic.

If Dallas finish strong in these last games he should be the MVP, he has been clearly the best player this season.

Luka still third here. It’s not the March and April award, it’s a season award.

SGA playing more games on better efficiency and worlds better defense puts him at 2. Jokic’s season may feel down to you but it’s really not. Jokic is the MVP.

Luka has a great shot at the MVP next year starting the season with a better team.

You forgot to mention that Luka is better than Shai in points, rebounds, assists, advanced stats and has almost identical efg%. And like things are looking OKC being 3rd and Mavs 4th in RS is a real possibility.

https://stathead.com/tiny/sbCcX

Btw. Luka was the best player of the February in the West and he averaged 37.1/9.2/10.4 in January.

SGA definitely better in advanced stats. He has an EPM of 8.8 to Luka’s 7.5. For reference Giannis is at 7.1, much closer to Luka than Luka is to SGA. I notice you didn’t mention Luka’s pretty rough FT percentage. TS which captures full efficiency has a wide gulf.

It’s possible Luka could catch SGA for 2nd but his team will need to win more than the Thunder from here so they can get out of the play in territory and more into the upper ranks. OKC is 2nd, Mavs 6th. SGA has also played more games than Luka. If those two things remain I think Luka’s a comfortable third.

Otherwise I admit it’s close again except that SGA is a top defensive player and Luka is not.

[AleksandarN]

Every two weeks another group comes to rage about Jokic. First it was the Sixers fans, then the Bucks fans, after them SGA crew and now Luka's worshipers. And it's been like that for years.


That Jokic guy is really out of this world.

You might read better, very few Luka's fans argue that Luka is better than Jokic. SGA being different story. And it seems Jokic having few worshippers too, who are defending him even when is no need.

Looking at West, Jokic and Denver will need all possible help in playoffs. No more walking in the park this year.

They need health. When a fully healthy team Denver was wining at a 62 win pace. While it will be harder this year no one thinks it will be a cake walk

[Bob8]

Luka still third here. It’s not the March and April award, it’s a season award.

SGA playing more games on better efficiency and worlds better defense puts him at 2. Jokic’s season may feel down to you but it’s really not. Jokic is the MVP.

Luka has a great shot at the MVP next year starting the season with a better team.

You forgot to mention that Luka is better than Shai in points, rebounds, assists, advanced stats and has almost identical efg%. And like things are looking OKC being 3rd and Mavs 4th in RS is a real possibility.

https://stathead.com/tiny/sbCcX

Btw. Luka was the best player of the February in the West and he averaged 37.1/9.2/10.4 in January.

SGA definitely better in advanced stats. And I notice you didn’t mention Luka’s pretty rough FT percentage. TS which captures full efficiency has a wide gulf.

It’s possible Luka could catch SGA for 2nd but his team will need to win more than the Thunder from here so they can get out of the play in territory and more into the upper ranks. OKC is 2nd, Mavs 6th. SGA has also played more games than Luka. If those two things remain I think Luka’s a comfortable third.

Otherwise I admit it’s close again except that SGA is a top defensive player and Luka is not.

And you're still deliberately ignoring Luka being much better in points, assists and rebounds. SGA definitely better in advanced stats? Not in BPM and VORP.

Mavs are firmly on 6th position only 1/2 of a game behind Pelicans and 2 behind struggling Clippers. OKC has far the most difficult schedule between first 3. 3rd place the most likely.

[Swish1906]

If SGA is so much better then the damn healthy Thunder should be MUCH more than just seven games ahead of the incredible not healthy Mavs, huh…

Well should be even less without the biggest shooting theft I saw a team pull off in 25 years (Cavs win against Mavs)

[Mrakar]

Lets again do this **** and give it to the "new guy" because its boring to give it to the best player. Man will probably have a case to be top 10 all-time player but we keep robing him of his accolades because its boring...

[Mavrelous]

Lets again do this **** and give it to the "new guy" because its boring to give it to the best player. Man will probably have a case to be top 10 all-time player but we keep robing him of his accolades because its boring...

It's pretty much over, the betting odds are screaming it, let's hope for a healthy finish for the season.

[Wolfgang630]

If the Mavs finish 4th I can see Luka being second in mvp this year.

[SA37]

I have it:

1. Jokic
2. Tatum
3. SGA
4. Brunson
5. Doncic
6. Giannis
7. Edwards

In a way it would feel wrong having Tatum behind SGA since Boston is likely to be the only team to win 60+ games. I think Jokic's numbers are too good to put Tatum above Jokic.

[SA37]

If the Mavs finish 4th I can see Luka being second in mvp this year.

His individual numbers are insane, just like Jokic's. Not sure I could put Luka above Brunson, though. The Knicks' roster is pretty terrible and Randle, Robinson, and Anunoby have missed significant time.

[Wolfgang630]

If the Mavs finish 4th I can see Luka being second in mvp this year.

His individual numbers are insane, just like Jokic's. Not sure I could put Luka above Brunson, though. The Knicks' roster is pretty terrible and Randle, Robinson, and Anunoby have missed significant time.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

My personal list is currently:

Jokic

SGA
Luka

Giannis
Tatum

Ant
Brunson
KD
Kawhi
AD