JasonStern wrote:Shem wrote:JasonStern wrote:
Olshey was on the job for like 5 minutes when Dame was picked. That was a scouting staff pick. If you're giving him credit for that, you also have to admit he then immediately blew the second lottery pick in that draft on Meyers Leonard.
That's what we call a strawman. I NEVER gave Olshey credit for the Dame pick in my last reply. All I said is
"people were calling for Olshey's head for drafting Dame"
Where did that include me?
This was the thread I was talking about.
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1190709JasonStern wrote:I never hated the Dame pick. I just thought we could, per rumors, moved up giving some value I don't recall what - so you can see how inconsequential it would have been, to Toronto at 8 to draft him. It was leaked at the time that Terrence Ross was Toronto's pick. And he wasn't a top 8 player in draft projections.
BTW, You did hate the Dame pick. And I'm going to open this can of worm only on you since you decided to strawman me.JasonStern wrote:Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard - both positions of need and not necessarily the best players available. that said, I wouldn't be surprised if the blazers are legitimately interested in lillard given their longstanding tradition of blowing a draft pick on a point guard.
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viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1186457JasonStern wrote:waiters at 4? if we **** this up and pick lillard...
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viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1190411JasonStern wrote:
specifically passing on barnes at #6 and then, based on OP's premise, losing batum. but we'll see.
BTW, you wanted Barnes, not Drummond.
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viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1195054JasonStern wrote:not to be negative, I'm sure lillard will be a solid pick, but until he goes up against nba competition, how exactly has the bayless 2.0 fears faded away?
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viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1190800JasonStern wrote:I don't even get what you're trying to prove.
Yes you do.JasonStern wrote:If it's that I post stupid crap, yeah. I've been doing that for like 15 years.
Drummond was my pick.
Not according to your posts back then. Barnes and Drummond were both on the board when Dame was picked.JasonStern wrote:You can find the post or posts I made after the combine, where his numbers mirrored Dwight Howard. But I thought there was a 0% chance that he would slide to #6.
Again, I posted you upset about Dame being picked. Why so upset about it. About 80-85% of this forum agreed with you. I was pretty much alone defending the Dame pick just like with Chauncey.JasonStern wrote:I didn't hate picking Dame, I hated the Dame pick. Big difference.
Here it is again comparing him to Bayless like many of you did.JasonStern wrote:not to be negative, I'm sure lillard will be a solid pick, but until he goes up against nba competition, how exactly has the bayless 2.0 fears faded away?JasonStern wrote:The Blazers had two lotto picks and we used the best pick we had since Aldridge on some 3 or 4 year guy out of Weber State. What conference are they even in? I never saw the guy play.
Never stopped you from passing judgement which should be lesson learned. I had my eye on Dame while we had Fat Felton at the PG. I never imagined that somehow the Blazers would end up with him. I considered it a pipe dream until it happened.JasonStern wrote:If the Blazers were going to draft a back up point guard, you don't use the #6 pick to do it. Especially when you have #11 pick and options to move up if you absolutely want some usage heavy point guard.
This is code, yes I hated the pick and I'm justifying it while trying to sell I didn't really hate the pick.JasonStern wrote:The draft is a crap shoot. Wizenheimer wanted Thomas Robinson. He was smart enough to preface that with "I do not follow college basketball. I want power forward depth. So, I guess that guy".
We're not talking about Wiz here. I only did this to you because of your strawman argument that you only made because you're still bitter about our debate about Billups recently.JasonStern wrote:I ate crow on it.
Doesn't change the fact that you downplayed the situation.JasonStern wrote:If you're fine holding quotes from 12 years ago about a draft, not knowing who picks ahead of us, who should the Blazers draft this year? Maybe I can give you some flak in 2036.
You don't get it do you. I briefly brought up the situation because one of the topics was the lack of Olshey hate back then and I explained how that wasn't true. You decided to strawman me while making up what you said back then. I would have let go and not dug up those quotes if hadn't strawmanned me. I wouldn't have cared, but the you had to do it so I decided to throw that in your face since the topic was brought up. Hopefully lesson learned when you BS someone like me while insulting them at the same time.
That's one area I didn't forget. All the **** I was given about wanting Dame and it turns out I was one of the rare ones to know what this guy was going to become. Just like I knew another small school point guard was going to be great named Stephen Curry. Had we had a chance at him back in 2009, I would have been advocating for him. But we ended up with the 22nd pick and I knew there was no way he was going to drop that far. It was different with Dame because I knew we had a shot. My only concerned was Sacramento picking him at 5.