NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

One Last Shot · Post #1921 » by **One Last Shot** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 12:59 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:If the Mavs win 48 games and Luka go on a tear in the final stretch of the season, I think he will win it regardless of any advance stats against him. Kyrie missed 33% of the season and I'm not even sure who's the 3rd best player of the Mavs. This is the year Luka will win his first MVP.

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Posted this almost 2 weeks ago and there's a good chance he will win the MVP. It's like a tradition for transcendent players since LeBron that they win their 1st MVP in their 6th season. Luka is going for the kill. 47 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists by the end of 3rd quarter against the Rockets. With Jokic and SGA looking hurt in the final stretch of the season, Doncic will snatch the trophy from them.

SGA’s hurt he got a quad contusion in the Jazz game played through it then sat. That’s given Luka’s scorching hot play catch up/pass SGA.

But it’s still Jokers imo.

When Bron 1st won it the Cavs won 66 games and were the 1 seed. MVP voters care about record and haven’t historically given injuries a lot of play. If it was OPOY it would be really close between Luka and Joker imo.

Mavs played with hundreds of different starting line-up this season while their 2nd best player miss a third of their games and yet they're on pace to win 49 or even 50 games this season. Imo, Doncic will take the MVP especially with games like this heading into playoffs.

Swish1906 · Post #1922 » by **Swish1906** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:04 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Swish1906 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
It’s Jokers unless the Nuggets collapse down the stretch. Even then…

He doesn’t want Luka winning MVP or being in a two man race with Joker because it would put him over his beloved SGA. That’s his only reason but of course he won’t admit it

I appreciate the compliment but it’s impossible to simp as hard as Luka stans itt. I can really only be a runner up, like Luka and SGA.

Oh boy now comes the Stan stuff…of course.

Evrrytime you totally ignore the health/injury argument while pushing the best record argument….so please tell me more about Stans :lol:

I’m out of here, waste of time anyway

witnessraps · Post #1923 » by **witnessraps** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:11 am

Massive line for jokic today, gotta believe he's in the driver's seat, seems like SGA numbers are down a bit last few games.

Yuri36 · Post #1924 » by **Yuri36** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:12 am

witnessraps wrote:Massive line for jokic today, gotta believe he's in the driver's seat, seems like SGA numbers are down a bit last few games.

Yep, the battle for MVP runner up is getting pretty fierce

Special_Puppy · Post #1925 » by **Special_Puppy** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:12 am

Let's say the Nuggets finish the season with ~56 wins. How many games does Dallas have to win in order for Luka to be favored to win MVP?

Jurassic_Park · Post #1926 » by **Jurassic_Park** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:14 am

Could be a monster day for jokic. Beat cle. Min lost. Okc may lose. Den could be in the driver seat for 1 seed.

Min still has to play at lakers. At phx. At den. Critical loss for them today vs the bulls as 8 pt favouries

Special_Puppy · Post #1927 » by **Special_Puppy** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:14 am

Advanced Stats Luka vs Jokic
DPM: Jokic
EPM: Luka
LEBRON: Jokic
BPM: Jokic
Time-Decay RAPM and LA-RAPM: Jokic

Don't mind giving Luka the MVP to be clear

Post #1928 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:15 am

Special_Puppy wrote:Let's say the Nuggets finish the season with ~56 wins. How many games does Dallas have to win in order for Luka to be favored to win MVP?

50 might not be enough but it can’t be less imo.

Special_Puppy · Post #1929 » by **Special_Puppy** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:31 am

Jurassic_Park wrote:Could be a monster day for jokic. Beat cle. Min lost. Okc may lose. Den could be in the driver seat for 1 seed.

Min still has to play at lakers. At phx. At den. Critical loss for them today vs the bulls as 8 pt favouries

My guess is that the standings is still
1.OKC
2.MIN
3.DEN

By the end of the season if I had to guess

Bob8 · Post #1930 » by **Bob8** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:33 am

Exp0sed wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Luka's game is so crazy that he's swinging the odds and the game isn't even over.

I think he was at like +750 before the game started.

I actually think Jokic had a better game today

Luka singlehanded finished team that was on 11/0 run in 2 and 1/2 Q in away game. How can someone play better?

Yuri36 · Post #1931 » by **Yuri36** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:34 am

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Bob8 · Post #1932 » by **Bob8** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:35 am

HotRocks34 wrote:Luka's game is so crazy that he's swinging the odds and the game isn't even over.

I think he was at like +750 before the game started.

I wonder where is Doctor MJ, who was absolutely sure that MVP is 2way race between Jokic and SGA?

AleksandarN · Post #1933 » by **AleksandarN** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:39 am

Petergrifindor wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:How does he deserve it over Jokic

Because he is playing better.

It might take a while to land, but that's it. That's Luka's case.

He's been the best player this regular season.

No he hasn’t.

Special_Puppy · Post #1934 » by **Special_Puppy** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:40 am

Yuri36 wrote:

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Credible estimates have the gap closing by 4-5 games if both teams were equally healthy. Note that part of the gap is that Luka missed more games than Jokic. Also doesn't have a very high opinion of Murray relative to most advanced stats https://www.bball-index.com/nba-injuries/

AleksandarN · Post #1935 » by **AleksandarN** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:41 am

Yuri36 wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
Yuri36 wrote:He is soon reaching it.
Come on man, you're so desperate to not want Luka to win his (well deserved) MVP title that you got to the point of pointing the fact he has missed 6/7 miserable games in the season?

How does he deserve it over Jokic

MUCH more pts (and when you get to 26+ pts players, that counts), more assists, more steals, getting his team to an almost 4th spot in the west despite having had a FAR weaker team than Joker for most of the season.
And more memorable games than Joker this season including that historical 73 pts game.

Higher usage. Jokic has better shooting percentage. Mavs plays at a faster pace. All of the underlying numbers favour Jokic.

AleksandarN · Post #1936 » by **AleksandarN** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:42 am

One Last Shot wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:If the Mavs win 48 games and Luka go on a tear in the final stretch of the season, I think he will win it regardless of any advance stats against him. Kyrie missed 33% of the season and I'm not even sure who's the 3rd best player of the Mavs. This is the year Luka will win his first MVP.

Read on Twitter

Posted this almost 2 weeks ago and there's a good chance he will win the MVP. It's like a tradition for transcendent players since LeBron that they win their 1st MVP in their 6th season. Luka is going for the kill. 47 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists by the end of 3rd quarter against the Rockets. With Jokic and SGA looking hurt in the final stretch of the season, Doncic will snatch the trophy from them.

Murray has missed almost the same amount of games that Irving has. No way he does he snatches the trophy

Wolfgang630 · Post #1937 » by **Wolfgang630** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:46 am

Bob8 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Luka's game is so crazy that he's swinging the odds and the game isn't even over.

I think he was at like +750 before the game started.

I wonder where is Doctor MJ, who was absolutely sure that MVP is 2way race between Jokic and SGA?

Definitely not anymore. SGA getting carried by Williams

Bob8 · Post #1938 » by **Bob8** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:48 am

AleksandarN wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:If the Mavs win 48 games and Luka go on a tear in the final stretch of the season, I think he will win it regardless of any advance stats against him. Kyrie missed 33% of the season and I'm not even sure who's the 3rd best player of the Mavs. This is the year Luka will win his first MVP.

Read on Twitter

Posted this almost 2 weeks ago and there's a good chance he will win the MVP. It's like a tradition for transcendent players since LeBron that they win their 1st MVP in their 6th season. Luka is going for the kill. 47 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists by the end of 3rd quarter against the Rockets. With Jokic and SGA looking hurt in the final stretch of the season, Doncic will snatch the trophy from them.

Murray has missed almost the same amount of games that Irving has. No way he does he snatches the trophy

The problem for Mavs was that it wasn't only Irving out a lot. Denver most used lineup 895 minutes, Mavs 122 minutes. Can you see the difference?

Post #1939 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:54 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Luka's game is so crazy that he's swinging the odds and the game isn't even over.

I think he was at like +750 before the game started.

I wonder where is Doctor MJ, who was absolutely sure that MVP is 2way race between Jokic and SGA?

Definitely not anymore. SGA getting carried by Williams

If OKC is the one seed SGA will have more 1st place votes than Luka. I know folks wish this was an offensive player of the year award but it’s not.

Bob8 · Post #1940 » by **Bob8** » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:57 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
I wonder where is Doctor MJ, who was absolutely sure that MVP is 2way race between Jokic and SGA?

Definitely not anymore. SGA getting carried by Williams

If OKC is the one seed SGA will have more 1st place votes than Luka. I know folks wish this was an offensive player of the year award but it’s not.

And I guess bookies are totally wrong? We have to believe more mods in RealGM?

Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)