NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[MoneyTalks41890]

Posted this almost 2 weeks ago and there's a good chance he will win the MVP. It's like a tradition for transcendent players since LeBron that they win their 1st MVP in their 6th season. Luka is going for the kill. 47 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists by the end of 3rd quarter against the Rockets. With Jokic and SGA looking hurt in the final stretch of the season, Doncic will snatch the trophy from them.

Murray has missed almost the same amount of games that Irving has. No way he does he snatches the trophy

The problem for Mavs was that it wasn't only Irving out a lot. Denver most used lineup 895 minutes, Mavs 122 minutes. Can you see the difference?

Again the award doesn’t care about any of this.

But you should know that Denver almost never staggers their lineup, which is a big part of the lineup numbers.

It does seem like the Mavs should definitely get a better coach though.

[Wolfgang630]

I highly doubt majority of voters are looking most used lineups minutes.

[Bob8]

Murray has missed almost the same amount of games that Irving has. No way he does he snatches the trophy

The problem for Mavs was that it wasn't only Irving out a lot. Denver most used lineup 895 minutes, Mavs 122 minutes. Can you see the difference?

Again the award doesn’t care about any of this.

But you should know that Denver almost never staggers their lineup, which is a big part of the lineup numbers.

It does seem like the Mavs should definitely get a better coach though.

You might read just a little, who I was replying to, and you should understand, why I have written that.

[Jurassic_Park]

Could be a monster day for jokic. Beat cle. Min lost. Okc may lose. Den could be in the driver seat for 1 seed.

Min still has to play at lakers. At phx. At den. Critical loss for them today vs the bulls as 8 pt favouries

My guess is that the standings is still
1.OKC
2.MIN
3.DEN

By the end of the season if I had to guess

Really.. wow. I think Min almost certainly finishes last amongst the 3. The game @ denver will be key. If murray is healthy and plays den wins

[Bob8]

I wonder, if any mod except Texas Chuck, has written anything positive about Luka in this thread? First we had someone, who didn't watch games, because +/- was enough, now we have someone, who doesn't believe in Vegas odds and calls everyone Luka's stans.

[AleksandarN]

Jokic has the better numbers

Read on Twitter

[MoneyTalks41890]

I wonder, if any mod except Texas Chuck, has written anything positive about Luka in this thread? First we had someone, who didn't watch games, because +/- was enough, now we have someone, who doesn't believe in Vegas odds and calls everyone Luka's stans.

Lots of people myself included have complimented Luka in this thread. You really don’t need to be so sensitive about folks not 100 percent agreeing with you.

[QPR]

Monster game.by Jokic on a very good opponent. He shouldn't need it but there will be voters who are swayed by recency bias, like last year.

[Bob8]

I wonder, if any mod except Texas Chuck, has written anything positive about Luka in this thread? First we had someone, who didn't watch games, because +/- was enough, now we have someone, who doesn't believe in Vegas odds and calls everyone Luka's stans.

Lots of people myself included have complimented Luka in this thread. You really don’t need to be so sensitive about folks not 100 percent agreeing with you.

I really don't like mod calling me stan. It just seems wrong.

Complimented by putting him on 3rd or worse place?

You're pretty sure about SGA being 2nd, although Vegas doesn't agree with you, Kia MVP ladder doesn't agree with you...

[Texas Chuck]

I wonder, if any mod except Texas Chuck, has written anything positive about Luka in this thread? First we had someone, who didn't watch games, because +/- was enough, now we have someone, who doesn't believe in Vegas odds and calls everyone Luka's stans.

Your obsession with mods is really unhealthy man. If they aren't mods of this forum, and once again the poster you are beefing with isn't, its stupid to keep harping on it.

Luka is awesome. Both Doc and money understand Luka is awesome. Other players are also awesome and in their opinions more worthy of MVP this year for reasons they have outlined.

You don't have to agree with their reasoning nor their conclusions. That's the whole idea of the message board to exchange ideas. But no need to insuinate because they love Luka less than you they aren't worthy to be mods is silliness. And if that's not your intent, and I hope its not, just be aware that's how it comes across mate.

Now on to some substance....

This Mavs surge is probably too late to take away the Mavs team record, but outside chance still of getting to 4 which I think does kill that argument. And any player who has already qualified for year end awards probably doesn't deserve a big knock in terms of games played. Going into today's action, SGA had played about 20 total minutes more.

So I too take issue with some of their reasoning, but not because they are mods lol. But because those specific arguments don't really hold up.

Now in the end I agree with money, its pointless because Jokic should be the MVP. So arguing who wins the Monopoly $10 is kinda lol.

[QPR]

At least the Embiid guys were entertaining

[NbaAllDay]

Can we just appreciate that we have some of the best top end talent ever right now.

Depth is clearly the best ever but it's also insane how well the MVP candidates are playing.

How many years would current Luka not be winning MVP? Hard to think of many.

[Yuri36]

Can we just appreciate that we have some of the best top end talent ever right now.

Depth is clearly the best ever but it's also insane how well the MVP candidates are playing.

How many years would current Luka not be winning MVP? Hard to think of many.

I was going to say that.

[Bob8]

I wonder, if any mod except Texas Chuck, has written anything positive about Luka in this thread? First we had someone, who didn't watch games, because +/- was enough, now we have someone, who doesn't believe in Vegas odds and calls everyone Luka's stans.

Your obsession with mods is really unhealthy man. If they aren't mods of this forum, and once again the poster you are beefing with isn't, its stupid to keep harping on it.

Luka is awesome. Both Doc and money understand Luka is awesome. Other players are also awesome and in their opinions more worthy of MVP this year for reasons they have outlined.

You don't have to agree with their reasoning nor their conclusions. That's the whole idea of the message board to exchange ideas. But to constantly attack them and belittle them because they volunteer their time on the board is really kind of pathetic and if I'm honest it gives off the impression you don't believe you can win the point on the merits so you try and insinuate they are dumb and shouldn't be mods. And sorry but not loving your favorite player as much as you isn't relevant to their hard work on the forum's behalf.

Now on to some substance....

This Mavs surge is probably too late to take away the Mavs team record, but outside chance still of getting to 4 which I think does kill that argument. And any player who has already qualified for year end awards probably doesn't deserve a big knock in terms of games played. Going into today's action, SGA had played about 20 total minutes more.

So I too take issue with some of their reasoning, but not because they are mods lol. But because those specific arguments don't really hold up.

Now in the end I agree with money, its pointless because Jokic should be the MVP. So arguing who wins the Monopoly $10 is kinda lol.

Vegas is having Luka clearly second, not I.

Doctor MJ has forbidden us to write about Luka. I'm pretty sure that's against the rules. But hey, we didn't report him, did we? But you were extremely quick to react, when multiple posters didn't agree with his actions. Why didn't you interven after his initial comment? Isn't that what mod should do? Or I have it wrong and you have to defend just each other?

And today? You're jumping in because of my comment that mods don't like Luka?

Tell me, are you now acting as a mod or those psychological observations are written by a normal poster?

[Texas Chuck]

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Doctor MJ has forbidden us to write about Luka. I'm pretty sure that's against the rules. But hey, we didn't report him, did we? But you were extremely quick to react, when multiple posters didn't agree with his actions. Why didn't you interven after his initial comment? Isn't that what mod should do? Or I have it wrong and you have to defend just each other?

And today? You're jumping in because of my comment that mods don't like Luka?

I don't moderate this forum. I do as a board reg jump into discussions frequently as a veteran poster to speak up when I feel so inclined. I already posted days ago I disagree with Doc trying to control the discussion, but didn't feel the need to post that in rebuttal to him since a bunch of posters already had.

But I did feel it okay to speak up for a poster getting dogpiled. So I did.

I disagree with mods on a bunch of topics all the time. Doc MJ probably more than maybe any other. But on the merits or not of our positions. He doesn't need me to defend him, But I defend posters all the time, blue name or not.

You just have some sort of mod complex bro and its really really weird. So weird that yeah I felt the need to comment because I see posts referencing mod status of non-board mods constantly.

But you drop it and I'll gladly drop it. It's pointless.

[HotRocks34]

SGA has 50 games with 30 points but he's scored 30 points just one time in the last 6 games.

Quad is likely slowing him down. I also saw a Bleacher Report writer say that since the league started to allow more contact again to lower the scores, SGA's scoring has suffered.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10114127-2024-awards-predictions-our-mvp-lock-a-ballot-takeover-for-okc-thunder

That said, tiny signs of slippage are evident in the wake of the league's officiating changes. Gilgeous-Alexander's offensive game is as varied and adaptable as anyone's, and it's wrong to say he depends on foul-drawing craft to be effective. But that's long been a real skill for him, and the league is reducing its value by allowing more defensive contact than it used to.

As a result, SGA's scoring rates and free-throw attempt rates are trending down. He got to the foul line 15.2 times per 100 possessions in January, but that number slipped to 10.1 in February and sits at 10.5 to this point in March.

The final straw poll should be interesting but if it comes out tomorrow likely many of the votes will have come before voters saw today's games.

Injuries to key teammates can affect narrative. Part of the reason why Jokic won in 2021 was because the team stayed solid despite Murray tearing his ACL and missing the last 18 games of the regular season.

Denver survived and finished with the 5th best record in the league that year.

[Special_Puppy]

SGA has 50 games with 30 points but he's scored 30 points just one time in the last 6 games.

Quad is likely slowing him down. I also saw a Bleacher Report writer say that since the league started to allow more contact again to lower the scores, SGA's scoring has suffered.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10114127-2024-awards-predictions-our-mvp-lock-a-ballot-takeover-for-okc-thunder

That said, tiny signs of slippage are evident in the wake of the league's officiating changes. Gilgeous-Alexander's offensive game is as varied and adaptable as anyone's, and it's wrong to say he depends on foul-drawing craft to be effective. But that's long been a real skill for him, and the league is reducing its value by allowing more defensive contact than it used to.

As a result, SGA's scoring rates and free-throw attempt rates are trending down. He got to the foul line 15.2 times per 100 possessions in January, but that number slipped to 10.1 in February and sits at 10.5 to this point in March.

The final straw poll should be interesting but if it comes out tomorrow likely many of the votes will have come before voters saw today's games.

Injuries to key teammates can affect narrative. Part of the reason why Jokic won in 2021 was because the team stayed solid despite Murray tearing his ACL and missing the last 18 games of the regular season.

Denver survived and finished with the 5th best record in the league that year.

I'm super interested if Luka has overtaken SGA as the second leading candidate in the poll. I think if it was taken entirely after today's games that he almost certainty would be

[Bob8]

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Doctor MJ has forbidden us to write about Luka. I'm pretty sure that's against the rules. But hey, we didn't report him, did we? But you were extremely quick to react, when multiple posters didn't agree with his actions. Why didn't you interven after his initial comment? Isn't that what mod should do? Or I have it wrong and you have to defend just each other?

And today? You're jumping in because of my comment that mods don't like Luka?

I don't moderate this forum. I do as a board reg jump into discussions frequently as a veteran poster to speak up when I feel so inclined. I already posted days ago I disagree with Doc trying to control the discussion, but didn't feel the need to post that in rebuttal to him since a bunch of posters already had.

But I did feel it okay to speak up for a poster getting dogpiled. So I did.

I disagree with mods on a bunch of topics all the time. Doc MJ probably more than maybe any other. But on the merits or not of our positions. He doesn't need me to defend him, But I defend posters all the time, blue name or not.

You just have some sort of mod complex bro and its really really weird. So weird that yeah I felt the need to comment because I see posts referencing mod status of non-board mods constantly.

But you drop it and I'll gladly drop it. It's pointless.

Nice work, throwing some psychological analysis of a poster, and then behaving like I wanted this discussion. I agree, it was totally pointless.

[HotRocks34]

Here's the final MVP ladder for 2021 and you can see how much the injury angle played into Jokic's winning story.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-nikola-jokic-finishes-no-1-among-pack-of-contenders

[Woodsanity]

1. Jokic
2. Luka
3. SGA
4. Giannis

Rest frankly don't matter at this point.