Can the Heat actually put together a good offer for Donovan Mitchell?

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Can the Heat actually put together a good offer for Donovan Mitchell? 

Post#1 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:03 pm

Mitchell going all out early in the season to make up for Mobley and Garland's injuries has led to him being hobbled by a bad knee entering the playoffs where the Cavs look likely to be dusted. The likely options for Mitchell if he asks for a trade would be

-Knicks: Probably limited interest in Mitchell as he's a horrible fit with Brunson
-Warriors: Probably limited interest in Mitchell as he's a horrible fit with Curry
-Nets: Desperately want Mitchell, but their team sucks real bad
-Lakers
-Heat

With the Magic probably trying to convince Mitchell to join their team but being unwilling to trade for him unless they got a rock solid guarantee that Mitchell would re-sign with them.

The Nets can obviously outbid the Lakers and Heat, but Mitchell may want them to keep Claxton and Bridges and acquire another good to great player along with him to make sure the team isn't awful and that may be hard.

The Lakers' all-in offer would look like

-Reaves
-Gabe Vincent
-Jared Vanderbilt
-2024 pick (if not claimed by the Pelicans)
-Right to swap in 2026
-2027 pick (protected 5-30)
-2028 swap
-2029 pick
-2030 swap
-2031 pick

(The Lakers can only offer a 5-30 protected pick in 2027 as they owe a top 4 protected pick to the Jazz in 2027)

The 2029, 2030, and 2031 picks have some interesting upside, but this offer is definitely not overwhelming at all. The Heat can offer

-Tyler Herro
-Jaquez Jr
-2024 pick
-2026 swap (dependent upon the Heat making the playoffs in 2025)
-2028 swap (dependent upon the Heat making the playoffs in both 2025 and 2027)
-2029 pick
-2030 swap
-2031 pick

The Nets and Magic, again, can easily beat these offers... It's whether they're confident enough in keeping Mitchell to go for it.

What would be the most likely Mitchell trade?
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Post#2 » by HornetJail » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:26 pm

Maybe if you can find a pick for Scary Terry it gets you closer but even the Lakers seem to have a more favorable package but neither really holds up to a package from any of about 10 different teams that have assets beyond just their own picks.
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Post#3 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:30 pm

I think the Nets sucking so bad only makes them more inclined to go after Mitchell.

With the Suns performance this season, those picks look a lot more valuable than they did a year ago.

Hard to see a team beating Brooklyn’s offer.
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Post#4 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:35 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:I think the Nets sucking so bad only makes them more inclined to go after Mitchell.

With the Suns performance this season, those picks look a lot more valuable than they did a year ago.

Hard to see a team beating Brooklyn’s offer.


I just don't know if Mitchell wants to stay with Brooklyn unless the team is good and maybe they need another wing.

Like, maybe they can convince Mitchell if they trade Ben Simmons and a pick for Jerami Grant?
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Post#5 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Mon Apr 1, 2024 1:44 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:I think the Nets sucking so bad only makes them more inclined to go after Mitchell.

With the Suns performance this season, those picks look a lot more valuable than they did a year ago.

Hard to see a team beating Brooklyn’s offer.


I just don't know if Mitchell wants to stay with Brooklyn unless the team is good and maybe they need another wing.

Like, maybe they can convince Mitchell if they trade Ben Simmons and a pick for Jerami Grant?


It’s pretty well-established that Mitchell would be happy to be in New York and Brooklyn is definitely a playoff team with him.

Mitchell would be the first domino. Brooklyn won’t target a player like Jerami Grant. Their plan would be to let Simmons expire, keep salaries lean and sign another max guy using cap space in 2025 or 2026.
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Post#6 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:50 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:I think the Nets sucking so bad only makes them more inclined to go after Mitchell.

With the Suns performance this season, those picks look a lot more valuable than they did a year ago.

Hard to see a team beating Brooklyn’s offer.


I just don't know if Mitchell wants to stay with Brooklyn unless the team is good and maybe they need another wing.

Like, maybe they can convince Mitchell if they trade Ben Simmons and a pick for Jerami Grant?


It’s pretty well-established that Mitchell would be happy to be in New York and Brooklyn is definitely a playoff team with him.

Mitchell would be the first domino. Brooklyn won’t target a player like Jerami Grant. Their plan would be to let Simmons expire, keep salaries lean and sign another max guy using cap space in 2025 or 2026.


I'm sorry, but this is a really bad plan.

List of 2025 free agents that are good and potentially available:

Derrick White
Naz Reid
Duncan Robinson

This is just a "offer Derrick White a max and desperately hope he picks the Nets over the Spurs etc" plan and that's not a very good plan.
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Post#7 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:54 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
I just don't know if Mitchell wants to stay with Brooklyn unless the team is good and maybe they need another wing.

Like, maybe they can convince Mitchell if they trade Ben Simmons and a pick for Jerami Grant?


It’s pretty well-established that Mitchell would be happy to be in New York and Brooklyn is definitely a playoff team with him.

Mitchell would be the first domino. Brooklyn won’t target a player like Jerami Grant. Their plan would be to let Simmons expire, keep salaries lean and sign another max guy using cap space in 2025 or 2026.


I'm sorry, but this is a really bad plan.

List of 2025 free agents that are good and potentially available:

Derrick White
Naz Reid
Duncan Robinson

This is just a "offer Derrick White a max and desperately hope he picks the Nets over the Spurs etc" plan and that's not a very good plan.


Brandon Ingram, potentially Markkanen in 2025 too.

Now do 2026
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Post#8 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:57 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
It’s pretty well-established that Mitchell would be happy to be in New York and Brooklyn is definitely a playoff team with him.

Mitchell would be the first domino. Brooklyn won’t target a player like Jerami Grant. Their plan would be to let Simmons expire, keep salaries lean and sign another max guy using cap space in 2025 or 2026.


I'm sorry, but this is a really bad plan.

List of 2025 free agents that are good and potentially available:

Derrick White
Naz Reid
Duncan Robinson

This is just a "offer Derrick White a max and desperately hope he picks the Nets over the Spurs etc" plan and that's not a very good plan.


Brandon Ingram, potentially Markkanen in 2025 too.

Now do 2026


Jarrett Allen
FVV
Ayton
Porzingis
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Sexton
Austin Reaves
Robert Williams

....... I don't love this class either at all for a core of Mitchell, Bridges, and Claxton?

And that's asking for two years of waiting...
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Post#9 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Mon Apr 1, 2024 2:59 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
I'm sorry, but this is a really bad plan.

List of 2025 free agents that are good and potentially available:

Derrick White
Naz Reid
Duncan Robinson

This is just a "offer Derrick White a max and desperately hope he picks the Nets over the Spurs etc" plan and that's not a very good plan.


Brandon Ingram, potentially Markkanen in 2025 too.

Now do 2026


Jarrett Allen
FVV
Ayton
Porzingis
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Sexton
Austin Reaves
Robert Williams

....... I don't love this class either at all for a core of Mitchell, Bridges, and Claxton?

And that's asking for two years of waiting...


I see you’re intentionally leaving the stars off your list.
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Post#10 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:03 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
Brandon Ingram, potentially Markkanen in 2025 too.

Now do 2026


Jarrett Allen
FVV
Ayton
Porzingis
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Sexton
Austin Reaves
Robert Williams

....... I don't love this class either at all for a core of Mitchell, Bridges, and Claxton?

And that's asking for two years of waiting...


I see you’re intentionally leaving the stars off your list.


I'm extremely confident the Nets will not sign Rudy Gobert or Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant, lol

Curry and Butler will probably be toast by then.

SGA, Bam, and Fox are not leaving.

Brunson will sign a max with the Knicks in 2025.

I guess I left off... Jaren Jackson Jr? But I would guess he extends as well...
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Post#11 » by Colbinii » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:04 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
The Lakers' all-in offer would look like

-Reaves
-Gabe Vincent
-Jared Vanderbilt
-2024 pick (if not claimed by the Pelicans)
-Right to swap in 2026
-2027 pick (protected 5-30)
-2028 swap
-2029 pick
-2030 swap
-2031 pick


Austin Reaves?
D'Angelo Russell to a 3rd team for value?
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Post#12 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:06 pm

Colbinii wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
The Lakers' all-in offer would look like

-Reaves
-Gabe Vincent
-Jared Vanderbilt
-2024 pick (if not claimed by the Pelicans)
-Right to swap in 2026
-2027 pick (protected 5-30)
-2028 swap
-2029 pick
-2030 swap
-2031 pick


Austin Reaves?
D'Angelo Russell to a 3rd team for value?


Reaves is the first asset on the list?
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Post#13 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:09 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Jarrett Allen
FVV
Ayton
Porzingis
Randle
Aaron Gordon
Sexton
Austin Reaves
Robert Williams

....... I don't love this class either at all for a core of Mitchell, Bridges, and Claxton?

And that's asking for two years of waiting...


I see you’re intentionally leaving the stars off your list.


I'm extremely confident the Nets will not sign Rudy Gobert or Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant, lol

Curry and Butler will probably be toast by then.

SGA, Bam, and Fox are not leaving.

Brunson will sign a max with the Knicks in 2025.

I guess I left off... Jaren Jackson Jr? But I would guess he extends as well...


Luka, Embiid

You seem confident that every star will be happy with their current team or washed by the time they’re a free agent.

History tells us otherwise. Stars move around every year.

I guarantee at least 3 of those players will be wearing a new uniform come 2026.
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Post#14 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:10 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
I see you’re intentionally leaving the stars off your list.


I'm extremely confident the Nets will not sign Rudy Gobert or Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant, lol

Curry and Butler will probably be toast by then.

SGA, Bam, and Fox are not leaving.

Brunson will sign a max with the Knicks in 2025.

I guess I left off... Jaren Jackson Jr? But I would guess he extends as well...


Luka, Embiid

You seem confident that every star will be happy with their current team or washed by the time they’re a free agent.

History tells us otherwise. Stars move around every year.

I guarantee at least 3 of those players will be wearing a new uniform come 2026.


Yeah, and it will be from trades, lol.

Durant is probably getting traded this offseason and not to the Nets.
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Post#15 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:18 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
I'm extremely confident the Nets will not sign Rudy Gobert or Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant, lol

Curry and Butler will probably be toast by then.

SGA, Bam, and Fox are not leaving.

Brunson will sign a max with the Knicks in 2025.

I guess I left off... Jaren Jackson Jr? But I would guess he extends as well...


Luka, Embiid

You seem confident that every star will be happy with their current team or washed by the time they’re a free agent.

History tells us otherwise. Stars move around every year.

I guarantee at least 3 of those players will be wearing a new uniform come 2026.


Yeah, and it will be from trades, lol.

Durant is probably getting traded this offseason and not to the Nets.


Nets will definitely be active on the trade market.

But I think some of those guys will want to test Free Agency, most of them have never been a UFA.
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Post#16 » by Colbinii » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:44 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
The Lakers' all-in offer would look like

-Reaves
-Gabe Vincent
-Jared Vanderbilt
-2024 pick (if not claimed by the Pelicans)
-Right to swap in 2026
-2027 pick (protected 5-30)
-2028 swap
-2029 pick
-2030 swap
-2031 pick


Austin Reaves?
D'Angelo Russell to a 3rd team for value?


Reaves is the first asset on the list?


What about D'lo?
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Post#17 » by _GH0ST_ » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:51 pm

Cavs will ask Nets for Mikal for Donovan. Cavs doesn't need picks. Even if the Nets get Donovan without giving away Mikal, I don't believe they will be a solid playoff team.
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Post#18 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 3:55 pm

Colbinii wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Austin Reaves?
D'Angelo Russell to a 3rd team for value?


Reaves is the first asset on the list?


What about D'lo?


I don't know how easy it will be for the Lakers to get assets in a S&T with D'lo as... D'lo would have to agree to the S&T (meaning that the Lakers would probably have to overpay him to get him to agree... reducing how much a team would be willing to give up for him)
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Post#19 » by Colbinii » Mon Apr 1, 2024 4:19 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Reaves is the first asset on the list?


What about D'lo?


I don't know how easy it will be for the Lakers to get assets in a S&T with D'lo as... D'lo would have to agree to the S&T (meaning that the Lakers would probably have to overpay him to get him to agree... reducing how much a team would be willing to give up for him)


He could pick up his option.
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Post#20 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Apr 1, 2024 4:21 pm

Colbinii wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
What about D'lo?


I don't know how easy it will be for the Lakers to get assets in a S&T with D'lo as... D'lo would have to agree to the S&T (meaning that the Lakers would probably have to overpay him to get him to agree... reducing how much a team would be willing to give up for him)


He could pick up his option.


Yeah, he definitely will not, especially to avoid this exact scenario.

He would have to like vomit all over the court in a first round series that goes 6 or 7 games. Like, shooting 20% from the field while being burnt on defense every play. That's the only way I see D'lo opting in.

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