[Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves

[shrink]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that.

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

[shrink]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that. Old Glen [was] a pathetic owner for 98 percent of his tenure(one of the worst in all professional sports franchises) has way too many loyalists and apologists that believe his every evil word.

I knew that the greedy old Glen staying on board for another 2-3 years was going to be nothing but bad news.. He is like a dark cloud over this entire franchise!!

Only thing people here seem to like about Glen is “at least he plans to keep the team in Minnesota always” ..
That’s the carrot he dangles to poor wolves fans while he runs his organization like a loser clown show.

The other thing I want to point out is being skeptical of ARod and Lore does not make anyone a Glen Taylor loyalist. They have done and said a lot of sketchy things, and the whole three year process has led to a lot of questions nationally, who have no interest in Taylor one way or another.

[m2002brian]

I don’t know who the **** or why the **** anybody would be on the Glen train.

So many talk about not bringing in X player or Y player because it’ll be a bad influence on Ant.

My god! You don’t think KG or any other players who had to deal with Glen has any influence on Ant?

Best believe if Glen keeps the team, KG is in Ants ear “get the **** out of MN”

[shrink]

I’m trying to get out of this thread, but I’m just horrified by many of these emotional posts.

You guys didn’t choose to come to just any fan board. You chose to post on REAL GM. We are supposed to talk about REALITIES, not name calling and whining about why you’re mad about different things Glen did that offended you in the last 35 years.

This is the site, more than any other, that knows the CBA and talks about ownership issues. Right now, this is the place where people should be adults, and discuss the actual issue that our favorite team is facing. Instead, I see a lot of name calling, and a lot of “if you’re not with me, you’re against me,” and now a story about if Glen stays, KG will get Ant to leave. None of your tantrums and litany of offenses has anything to do with how this ownership issue will play out.

Grow up. You guys are all BETTER than this. I’ve seen it, most every day here. This is not the place for emotional tantrums, there are many fanboy sites you can post that garbage, if you really feel you need to add to it. Come on.

[Neeva]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that.

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

What are you talking about? The major money they will have to spend on luxury tax (because of their moves) will occur after Glen was supposed to be FINALLY gone!

[Neeva]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that. Old Glen [was] a pathetic owner for 98 percent of his tenure(one of the worst in all professional sports franchises) has way too many loyalists and apologists that believe his every evil word.

I knew that the greedy old Glen staying on board for another 2-3 years was going to be nothing but bad news.. He is like a dark cloud over this entire franchise!!

Only thing people here seem to like about Glen is “at least he plans to keep the team in Minnesota always” ..
That’s the carrot he dangles to poor wolves fans while he runs his organization like a loser clown show.

The other thing I want to point out is being skeptical of ARod and Lore does not make anyone a Glen Taylor loyalist. They have done and said a lot of sketchy things, and the whole three year process has led to a lot of questions nationally, who have no interest in Taylor one way or another.

You’re going to look so wrong when all is said and done, by backing up a greedy old snake.

[shrink]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that.

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

What are you talking about? The major money they will have to spend on luxury tax (because of their moves) will occur long after Glen was supposed to be FINALLY gone!

Taylor agreed to fill the Wolves GM position with an $8 mil a year guy. He agreed to every contract and every extension. He agreed to all the organizational upgrades that Lore and ARod have claimed credit for. They didn’t pay the bulk of that - Taylor did.

Meanwhile, despite what Lore just told you about having to the money to buy the franchise on Day One, why have they even involved debt-financing to make these payments. If I said, “I’ll give you an asset worth double for every dollar you give me,” would you go find other people to make that deal (and reduce your profit) if you truly had the money? Why would Lore and ARod choose these extensions and funding issues, if they had the bucks themselves? Can anyone answer that?

Now, you are giving Lore and ARod credit for purchasing things with Glen’s money (the last two years, actual money), on the promise that they will pay their share, plus luxury taxes, in the future?

Count up the money that’s been spent on the franchise. Lore and ARod paying Glen isn’t spending on the franchise. As minority owners, they have paid 20%, and 36% of these expenses. That’s real dollars, not more promised dollars down the line.

[shrink]

The other thing I want to point out is being skeptical of ARod and Lore does not make anyone a Glen Taylor loyalist. They have done and said a lot of sketchy things, and the whole three year process has led to a lot of questions nationally, who have no interest in Taylor one way or another.

You’re going to look so wrong when all is said and done, by backing up a greedy old snake.

Think about what you wrote. I’m going to assume you wrote that without thinking.

I am not backing up Glen.

I am for a realistic, not emotional, account of what is actually occurring. You know, the “Real” part in our forum name.

If it sounds like I’m defending Glen, it’s because so many emotional, inaccurate things are being posted against Taylor.

[thinktank]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that.

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

It’s a good idea to infantalize people via metaphor. Very persuasive.

[shrink]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that.

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

It’s a good idea to infantalize people via metaphor. Very persuasive.

Marky and Alex threw a nice party the last two years with daddy’s money. That makes them rich!

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So, you said you are a consultant. You aren’t a financial consultant though, correct? The “I don’t own stocks, I own funds with stocks” guy? The “the stock market went up, so Lore must have made lots of money” guy?

[thinktank]

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

It’s a good idea to infantalize people via metaphor. Very persuasive.

Marky and Alex threw a nice party the last two years with daddy’s money. That makes them rich!

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So, you said you are a consultant. You aren’t a financial consultant, correct?

The guy who was always running bits on RubeChat, trolling?

You’re the white guy who claimed you could speak for the black experience, because of the zip code you live in?

That was you, right?

First, what’s with the personal attack?

Second, false. I have never spoken for “the black experience.”

Third, I’ve been forthright that I’ve been a management consultant at a financial firm. I never portrayed myself as a financial advisor (I think that’s the term you’re looking for).

Fourth, your behavior isn’t very cool right now. Maybe try a break or something.

[Neeva]

The other thing I want to point out is being skeptical of ARod and Lore does not make anyone a Glen Taylor loyalist. They have done and said a lot of sketchy things, and the whole three year process has led to a lot of questions nationally, who have no interest in Taylor one way or another.

You’re going to look so wrong when all is said and done, by backing up a greedy old snake.

Think about what you wrote. I’m going to assume you wrote that without thinking.

I am not backing up Glen.

I am for a realistic, not emotional, account of what is actually occurring. You know, the “Real” part in our forum name.

If it sounds like I’m defending Glen, it’s because so many emotional, inaccurate things are being posted against Taylor.

So let me get this straight you’re not backing up Glen but you keep defending him because you are mad that some posters here are calling him names like snake, greedy and old?

People’s opinions of how Glen has badly run the wolves for the majority of his ownership are not inaccurate. You can disagree and that’s fine but why are you calling out other posters. I did say that your posts backing up Glen won’t age well but I didn’t call you names or tell you that you aren’t “thinking”.

[shrink]

Marky and Alex threw a nice party the last two years with daddy’s money. That makes them rich!

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So, you said you are a consultant. You aren’t a financial consultant, correct?

The guy who was always running bits on RubeChat, trolling?

You’re the white guy who claimed you could speak for the black experience, because of the zip code you live in?

That was you, right?

First, what’s with the personal attack?

Second, false. I have never spoken for “the black experience.”

Third, I’ve been forthright that I’ve been a management consultant at a financial firm. I never portrayed myself as a financial advisor (I think that’s the term you’re looking for).

Fourth, your behavior isn’t very cool right now. Maybe try a break or something.

Thinktank, you were the one that brought up your own background, and led people to believe that you had expertise on this area

The first 10 years of my career I worked at a fortune 250 financial firm so I know my ****

You don’t need to be a financial expert to know that. But it helps.

And people were believing you (despite some extremely remedial information). So I wanted to clarify, so thanks for being honest.

I don’t know if you specifically used the words “black experience.” But you said that even as a white guy, you understood what blacks were going through during the police shootings, because of the zip code you lived in. Most shocking thing I ever heard on the internet. You also claimed that you understood because your father was an activist (not you though).

If you are going to choose to post about yourself to try to increase your credibility on issues, I think that you made that fair game. This sounded like “I was in the neighborhood, so I have expertise.”

[shrink]

You’re going to look so wrong when all is said and done, by backing up a greedy old snake.

Think about what you wrote. I’m going to assume you wrote that without thinking.

I am not backing up Glen.

I am for a realistic, not emotional, account of what is actually occurring. You know, the “Real” part in our forum name.

If it sounds like I’m defending Glen, it’s because so many emotional, inaccurate things are being posted against Taylor.

So let me get this straight you’re not backing up Glen but you keep defending him because you are mad that some posters here are calling him names like snake, greedy and old?

People’s opinions of how Glen has badly run the wolves for the majority of his ownership are not inaccurate. You can disagree and that’s fine but why are you calling out other posters. I did say that your posts backing up Glen won’t age well but I didn’t call you names or tell you that you aren’t “thinking”.

No. Name-calling is not why I posted.

I think people in their anger towards Glen (which is justified) are making claims that aren’t based on reality. For example, giving credit for ARod and Lore not being cheap owners, when Taylor was paying 60% to 80% of the bill, isn’t fair. Maybe they WILL pay lux taxes in the future, and they won’t be cheap owners, but we don’t know that. We just know that they used mostly Taylor’s money now to improve the organization, and will have their own big bills in the future, not whether they will pay them, or go cheap.

If people were saying incorrect things about ARod and Lore, I might chime in to correct those as well. That doesn’t put me on either side. If it sounds to you that I’m defending Glen, that’s probably because far more people are fed up with Glen than ARod and Lore, and it’s bleeding over into their posts.

Finally, people’s opinions on Glen’s ownership are never inaccurate. They are their opinions. But I don’t know what they have to do with this issue - I think people just want to express them. Ownership is not going to be decided by a popularity contest.

[shrink]

Last thing, since I think you earned it.

If someone made an opinion poll, saying “between Taylor, Lore, or an unknown third guy, who do you WANT to own this team?”

… I think I know who would come in last.

[thinktank]

Marky and Alex threw a nice party the last two years with daddy’s money. That makes them rich!

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So, you said you are a consultant. You aren’t a financial consultant, correct?

The guy who was always running bits on RubeChat, trolling?

You’re the white guy who claimed you could speak for the black experience, because of the zip code you live in?

That was you, right?

First, what’s with the personal attack?

Second, false. I have never spoken for “the black experience.”

Third, I’ve been forthright that I’ve been a management consultant at a financial firm. I never portrayed myself as a financial advisor (I think that’s the term you’re looking for).

Fourth, your behavior isn’t very cool right now. Maybe try a break or something.

Thinktank, you were the one that brought up your own background, and led people to believe that you had expertise on this area

The first 10 years of my career I worked at a fortune 250 financial firm so I know my ****

You don’t need to be a financial expert to know that. But it helps.

And people were believing you (despite some extremely remedial information). So I wanted to clarify, so thanks for being honest.

I don’t know if you specifically used the words “black experience.” But you said that even as a white guy, you understood what blacks were going through during the police shootings, because of the zip code you lived in. Most shocking thing I ever heard on the internet. You also claimed that you understood because your father was an activist (not you though).

If you are going to choose to post about yourself to try to increase your credibility on issues, I think that you made that fair game. This sounded like “I was in the neighborhood, so I have expertise.”

I’m always honest here—just like in this thread:

“You don’t need to be a financial expert to know that. But it helps.”

That’s accurate. Nobody owns just stock shares. Nobody. I’m not a financial advisor, yet I know that. And one reason is I consulted for a financial firm. I learned how financial instruments functioned and what a portfolio looks like.

But, keep throwing inaccurate and personally accusatory **** at the wall, if you want. I don’t recommend it, as it’s not classy and I think it makes you look bad, frankly. Your choice.

[guest81]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that.

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

This is dumb. Lore and arod has already paid like 600 million so fair and was gonna get 1.5 billion. Spending 8 million for a guy is literally pennies in that context.

[guest81]

It’s really odd that some wolves fans think arod/Lore will be cheap owners when every move since they arrived has been the exact opposite of that.

Using Glen’s money to do it. But he didn’t say no.

This is like a 12-year old saying, “look how generous my classmate is! We had a party at his beautiful house, and he spent hundreds of dollars on food drink and a live DJ! I bet if I ask next year, he’d buy me a pony!”

This is dumb. Lore and arod has already paid like 600 million so fair and was gonna get 1.5 billion. Spending 8 million for a guy is literally pennies in that context.

To use an analogy, it's like if I agreed to buy you a house, but you bought me a cup a coffee so you should get a bunch of credit for spending

[Klomp]

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[thinktank]

I don’t know if you specifically used the words “black experience.” But you said that even as a white guy, you understood what blacks were going through during the police shootings, because of the zip code you lived in. Most shocking thing I ever heard on the internet. You also claimed that you understood because your father was an activist (not you though).

If you are going to choose to post about yourself to try to increase your credibility on issues, I think that you made that fair game. This sounded like “I was in the neighborhood, so I have expertise.”

I want to address this now that I have time, and to illustrate the fallacy of your memory, and the inanity of your argument.

First of all, I don’t even know what “the police shootings” even refers to. The topic at-hand was unlawful police profiling. My experience was as a driver of a BMW 535i with tinted windows and brand new rims (because I needed new tires, but my rims were European sized, hence new American-sized rims were purchased to fit the only tires that were compatible—tiny American ones). I was pulled over in that vehicle constantly. Often multiple times per month. On more than one occasion, when I rolled my window down to talk to the police, they would see I was white and not even ask me for my license or registration and tell me to have a good day. I found that reprehensible. My perspective was that unlawful police profiling is very common in North Minneapolis, where I lived.

Anyone who twists that experience into “this person claims to understand black experience,” does not have integrity. Perhaps you support unlawful police profiling?

Finally, I can’t believe that on realgm, personal and false accusations stemming from something that was posted over 10 years ago on a different message board are being made instead of talking about basketball-related topics!!!!

Rein it in, please. My goodness.