2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

[ArthurVandelay]

it's definitely a group think league, but I think fans of teams in the top-10 are really trying to convince themselves that these guys being picked are going to be more than guys coming off the bench.

Raptors need to nail the next 2-3 drafts

which is why they need to convey this years pick.

a lot of fans are being extremely short sighted and not looking at the big picture.

sure you get a shiny new toy this year that will fall apart in a week, or you let the spurs have the new toy, where as you save up for a new nintendo next year.

I think they can easily be terrible next year. Raptors have a record of 2-22 without Poeltl…and that includes 2-9 with Barnes.

Washington will be naturally awful. Portland will intentionally be awful but they have the talent to win 30 games if they play it.

After that you have Detroit and Charlotte who, speaking of copy cat league, have been awful for a longtime and just watched how Houston rose from the bottom of the league.

San Antonio is done trying to be awful.

Sign Scottie to his max extension this summer and then do what they’ve done the last few years: have no real depth. Play a bench full of projects and rookies with Darko coaching to develop.

Edit: Brooklyn has no motive to be bad but looking like they will. They are idiots for not taking the rumoured Bridges godfather offer from Houston, assuming it was as reported (Green and own picks back).

[TimeForChange]

We are currently wasting cap space on Jalen mcdaniels so it's not like our alternative options to acquiring talent have been better

so waste more salary on more jalen mcdaniels, vs conveying the pick and getting some value in next years draft.

Or just be a good gm and actually find some talent in this draft

they will have their shot with the pacers pick

[CazOnReal]

re: Draft strength

Scouting and development - not to mention most (not, looking at whatever the hell has been going on with Washington's utter lack of development outside of Deni) front offices have gotten better since the 2000 draft so it's hard to see another disaster of a class like that one was - and even then a lot of the failures of said class can be attributed to injuries to some of the most prominent players that hampered their career ie Michael Redd and Kenyon Martin.

I'm sure this class will have a few All-Star players, maybe even a few who get an All-NBA/All-Defense nod. Getting the Redd of this draft i.e. that hidden gem no one expected to be as good as they did is going to require solid scouting and good development staff to bring the best out of some very flawed players.

There are a few high ceiling players in this draft that I could see being "that guy" in the draft like Ware, Salaun or even Sarr but there's no guarantee their potential becomes anything of substance and outside of Sarr, a lot of those players have very low floors or have a myriad of swing factors that need to go their way.

If nothing else, I expect a few good roleplayers to come out of this class even if there's no obvious star/#1 option. Even the 2000 draft had guys like Hedo who was a key contributor on a team that made the Finals.

Him and Jakob would be redundant, that is correct.

Tolzman on Raptors Tonight: We don’t make picks based on the current roster and depth chart.

They can say that all they want, picking Koloko was very clearly them using a low risk pick to see how the then-current roster would look with a traditional center in the rotation after they failed to get Holmes/Allen in free agency (among other examples i'm sure i'm forgetting) and picking Gradey Dick was very much a case of addressing the team's shooting woes. You can argue Dick was the BPA (and i'd agree) or that they intended to draft Cason Wallace before OKC took him but this is very clearly not the case.

[Brinbe]

The Grizz hang on

[ArthurVandelay]

The Grizz hang on

Raptors playing to win vs Indy!

[mihaic]

The Grizz hang on

Raptors playing to win vs Indy!

We the 6.

[CazOnReal]

The Grizz hang on

Raptors playing to win vs Indy!

We the 6.

We the "please don't f-cking lose18 straight with the final game being against Pascal, the jokes would write themselves".

[mihaic]

Raptors playing to win vs Indy!

We the 6.

We the "please don't f-cking lose18 straight with the final game being against Pascal, the jokes would write themselves".

I already said that, we the 6.

[Mark_83]

The Grizzlies barely squeak one out. Unfortunately, the Blazers fall short by 1.

[VanWest82]

Go Grizz!! Clutch win. They still play Pistons one more time too, plus Spurs.

[Ell Curry]

I'm sure this class will have a few All-Star players, maybe even a few who get an All-NBA/All-Defense nod. Getting the Redd of this draft i.e. that hidden gem no one expected to be as good as they did is going to require solid scouting and good development staff to bring the best out of some very flawed players.

https://www.swishappeal.com/2009/04/why-we-will-never-know-as-much-as-we.html

There might well be a Redd in this draft, but the only possible indication that he could go from a prospect whose biggest red flag was his jumper to a great shooter was that he went from low 60s from the FT line as a Frosh and Sophomore to 77% as a junior. If you bet on 100 guys who show that kind of improvement from the line to have it translate to the degree Redd did as a 3pt shooter, I don't think you're looking at more than 2-3 guys. He's an extreme example.

I think our best chance at getting a 2nd star to go with Barnes will be in the apparently much deeper 2025 draft.

[BoyzNTheHood]

The Grizzlies barely squeak one out. Unfortunately, the Blazers fall short by 1.

It’s okay, the Grizz win is what matters. The Blazers won’t even match our 23 wins by seasons end.

[RoteSchroder]

so waste more salary on more jalen mcdaniels, vs conveying the pick and getting some value in next years draft.

Or just be a good gm and actually find some talent in this draft

they will have their shot with the pacers pick

I'm sure this class will have a few All-Star players, maybe even a few who get an All-NBA/All-Defense nod. Getting the Redd of this draft i.e. that hidden gem no one expected to be as good as they did is going to require solid scouting and good development staff to bring the best out of some very flawed players.

https://www.swishappeal.com/2009/04/why-we-will-never-know-as-much-as-we.html

There might well be a Redd in this draft, but the only possible indication that he could go from a prospect whose biggest red flag was his jumper to a great shooter was that he went from low 60s from the FT line as a Frosh and Sophomore to 77% as a junior. If you bet on 100 guys who show that kind of improvement from the line to have it translate to the degree Redd did as a 3pt shooter, I don't think you're looking at more than 2-3 guys. He's an extreme example.

I think our best chance at getting a 2nd star to go with Barnes will be in the apparently much deeper 2025 draft.

Which players in the 7-14 range in 2025 would you guys take over the 1-6 range in 2024?

I wanna look up these prospects and do a comparison.

[OAKLEY_2]

The Grizzlies barely squeak one out. Unfortunately, the Blazers fall short by 1.

The tank-offs has the Grizz two games back of the Raptors and Detroit loss still seeing us kick off the second round.

Meanwhile playing the tankathon SIM and rolled first overalll Alexandre Sarr. Rolled 4th a few times and got bounced 50 per cent of the time. So have Sarr at 1. Topic at 3 and 4. Cody williams at 6. It is like W0illiams is consensus number 6 in this lotto ball mock. Reed Sheppard has popped up at 4 as well.

[Ell Curry]

Which players in the 7-14 range in 2025 would you guys take over the 1-6 range in 2024?

I wanna look up these prospects and do a comparison.

I'm no expert, but it seems like this draft is short somewhere between a top 3-4 guys and next year's has an extra 2-3, so my guess is a pick around #11/12 next year and a pick around #6 this year are equal.

My preference is we pick a project (lots of them around at #6, I can't speak with regards to the non-NCAA guys, but from what I've seen Cody Williams, Walter and Dillingham should all be solidly negative players as rookies (maybe Walter can be an okay backup 2 but the others I can't imagine it, even though Williams' potential to be quite good down the line is obvious), give him too much playing time and lose 60 times next year.

[Mark_83]

The Grizzlies barely squeak one out. Unfortunately, the Blazers fall short by 1.

The tank-offs has the Grizz two games back of the Raptors and Detroit loss still seeing us kick off the second round.

Meanwhile playing the tankathon SIM and rolled first overalll Alexandre Sarr. Rolled 4th a few times and got bounced 50 per cent of the time. So have Sarr at 1. Topic at 3 and 4. Cody williams at 6. It is like W0illiams is consensus number 6 in this lotto ball mock. Reed Sheppard has popped up at 4 as well.

Now we cheer the Lakers (yuck), Heat, and Sixers to catch the Pacers in the standings.

[DreamTeam09]

Or just be a good gm and actually find some talent in this draft

they will have their shot with the pacers pick

I'm sure this class will have a few All-Star players, maybe even a few who get an All-NBA/All-Defense nod. Getting the Redd of this draft i.e. that hidden gem no one expected to be as good as they did is going to require solid scouting and good development staff to bring the best out of some very flawed players.

https://www.swishappeal.com/2009/04/why-we-will-never-know-as-much-as-we.html

There might well be a Redd in this draft, but the only possible indication that he could go from a prospect whose biggest red flag was his jumper to a great shooter was that he went from low 60s from the FT line as a Frosh and Sophomore to 77% as a junior. If you bet on 100 guys who show that kind of improvement from the line to have it translate to the degree Redd did as a 3pt shooter, I don't think you're looking at more than 2-3 guys. He's an extreme example.

I think our best chance at getting a 2nd star to go with Barnes will be in the apparently much deeper 2025 draft.

Which players in the 7-14 range in 2025 would you guys take over the 1-6 range in 2024?

I wanna look up these prospects and do a comparison.

It really isn't that much of a difference. Everyone just likes Cooper Flagg as a clear cut #1 compared to this year. It's 2026 where you might end up a few interesting prospects & we'll have Indy's pick that yr if I'm not mistaken.
2025 does look to be a deep draft tho.

[JB7]

Raptors need to nail the next 2-3 drafts

which is why they need to convey this years pick.

a lot of fans are being extremely short sighted and not looking at the big picture.

sure you get a shiny new toy this year that will fall apart in a week, or you let the spurs have the new toy, where as you save up for a new nintendo next year.

I think they can easily be terrible next year. Raptors have a record of 2-22 without Poeltl…and that includes 2-9 with Barnes.

Washington will be naturally awful. Portland will intentionally be awful but they have the talent to win 30 games if they play it.

After that you have Detroit and Charlotte who, speaking of copy cat league, have been awful for a longtime and just watched how Houston rose from the bottom of the league.

San Antonio is done trying to be awful.

Sign Scottie to his max extension this summer and then do what they’ve done the last few years: have no real depth. Play a bench full of projects and rookies with Darko coaching to develop.

Edit: Brooklyn has no motive to be bad but looking like they will. They are idiots for not taking the rumoured Bridges godfather offer from Houston, assuming it was as reported (Green and own picks back).

The East though looks so bad, it could be hard to bottom out again, barring major injuries. Scottie’s injury was a fluke this year.

Bulls could lose DD this offseason. Sixers lose Embiid to injury and they are horrible. Hawks are trending the wrong way. The Magic are the 5th seed this year!

[RoteSchroder]

Which players in the 7-14 range in 2025 would you guys take over the 1-6 range in 2024?

I wanna look up these prospects and do a comparison.

I'm no expert, but it seems like this draft is short somewhere between a top 3-4 guys and next year's has an extra 2-3, so my guess is a pick around #11/12 next year and a pick around #6 this year are equal.

My preference is we pick a project (lots of them around at #6, I can't speak with regards to the non-NCAA guys, but from what I've seen Cody Williams, Walter and Dillingham should all be solidly negative players as rookies (maybe Walter can be an okay backup 2 but the others I can't imagine it, even though Williams' potential to be quite good down the line is obvious), give him too much playing time and lose 60 times next year.

If the pick doesn't convey, there's a good chance we get into the top 1-4 (~8% we stay at 6). I think Holland and Castle are the targets as projects and they seem comparable to players who will go in the 7-14 range next year. If Clingan has DPOY potential, then he's a possible target as well (see Lively, who has been going top 4-10 in every re-draft).

Anyhow, assuming 2024 (#1-6) = 2025 (#7-14), we end up with the following scenarios:

Good outcome: Keep 2024. Suck next year and keep 2025 pick. You end up with two high lotto picks.
Worse outcome: Convey 2024. Suck next year and keep 2025 pick. You end up with one high lotto pick.

Good outcome: Keep 2024. Cinderella season in 2025 and convey a #15+ pick. You end up with one high lotto pick and give a worse pick to the Spurs.
Worse outcome: Convey 2024. Cinderella season in 2025 and keep a #15+ pick. You give the Spurs a high lotto pick and keep a low pick.

Doesn't make a difference: Keep 2024. Convey #7-14 next year.
Doesn't make a difference: Convey 2024 (#7). Keep #7-14 next year.

[720]

I’m gonna be watching that second Memphis and Pistons game like it’s the damn Super Bowl. With RJ and IQ coming back that game might be VITAL for our final standings.