Can Pistons Steal Quickley?

[eitanr]

Toronto has a decision to make this off-season. They have GTJ hitting free agency and Bruce Brown who has a team option. Masia did a stellar job with the OG trade in securing potential PGs in Quick and 6man in RJ moving forward. Things look bright for the north.

BUT...how much does Masai covet his new PG?

It was reported that IQ originally wanted 4/100 from NYK as an extension and NYK preferred no more than 4/80, a sticking point that led to the OG trade. While Masai might be willing to provide IQ 4/100, couldn't Detroit swoop in and offer something more egregious, like 4/130?

That figure could be tough to swallow for Masai, especially in a hypothetical scenario where Detroit offers Jaden Ivey in a sign and trade to secure Quick for that figure.

Why for Toronto?
Raps like Quick, but at a 4/130 figure? That could be tough considering the aforementioned wing decisions. Instead Toronto can secure those wings AND get a nice up and coming future PG in Ivey.

Why for Detroit?
Quick is the perfect fit for Cade. He is a combo gaurd who can play a bit on or off the ball. Allowing Cade to pick is spots on O. He would change the identity of the team defensively. Suddenly with a potential Quick/Cade/Thompson perimeter trio, Detroit would excel at forcing turnovers and can help form a future identity. Remember Quick is only 24. Considering his age and the massive cap space Detroit will have, it's a scenario to consider. Ivey, meanwhile, does not seem like the best long term complement with Cade and feels destined to be more of a staggered combo gaurd/6man in this unit.

So...Can Detroit swoop in and make a run for Quick considering they might be willing to BOTH overpay (market wise) and move Ivey in a sign and trade?

[esvl]

I doubt both assumptions that Quick is worth that kind of money and that he isa great fit next to Cade. I don’t doubt though that is the bad direction for Detroit.

[JJ_PR]

There's no reason why Toronto shouldn't match that offer. Sure, it's a little more than what he was asking for originally, but they can't afford to lose him. He was a key piece in that OG trade.

Ivey is too much of an unknown right now. I'd rather have Quickley. If Toronto chooses Trent & Brown over IQ, I have serious questions about their front office.

[Skybox]

Why would DET kill their cap to get a third on-ball player among their 3 best players...Plan on moving Ivey out if you do. I love IQ, but more than $25 per is iffy at best, IMO.

[eitanr]

There's no reason why Toronto shouldn't match that offer. Sure, it's a little more than what he was asking for originally, but they can't afford to lose him. He was a key piece in that OG trade.

Ivey is too much of an unknown right now. I'd rather have Quickley. If Toronto chooses Trent & Brown over IQ, I have serious questions about their front office.

From Toronto POV it would be Ivey, Brown, GTJ OR Quickley. They wouldn't re-sign/retain Brown/GTJ if they match such an offer for IQ.

[eitanr]

Why would DET kill their cap to get a third on-ball player among their 3 best players...Plan on moving Ivey out if you do. I love IQ, but more than $25 per is iffy at best, IMO.

Detroit is going to be about $60M under. This wouldn't kill their cap. The other thrown around solution on these boards is just absorbing CJ McCollum, who makes $64M over the next 2 years and is a decade older. When considering other options, the need for the team to get better defensively etc, it starts making more sense.

[Skybox]

I get them spending money aggressively...but not on a PG and not that much for IQ.

[louc1970]

I think anything more than $18-$20 for Quickley is too much. With Detroit already having Ivey, I don't see the need to put that kind of money into Quickley.

[eitanr]

I think anything more than $18-$20 for Quickley is too much. With Detroit already having Ivey, I don't see the need to put that kind of money into Quickley.

It would be a sign and trade with Ivey

[islandboy53]

Toronto has a decision to make this off-season. They have GTJ hitting free agency and Bruce Brown who has a team option. Masia did a stellar job with the OG trade in securing potential PGs in Quick and 6man in RJ moving forward. Things look bright for the north.

BUT...how much does Masai covet his new PG?

It was reported that IQ originally wanted 4/100 from NYK as an extension and NYK preferred no more than 4/80, a sticking point that led to the OG trade. While Masai might be willing to provide IQ 4/100, couldn't Detroit swoop in and offer something more egregious, like 4/130?

That figure could be tough to swallow for Masai, especially in a hypothetical scenario where Detroit offers Jaden Ivey in a sign and trade to secure Quick for that figure.

Why for Toronto?
Raps like Quick, but at a 4/130 figure? That could be tough considering the aforementioned wing decisions. Instead Toronto can secure those wings AND get a nice up and coming future PG in Ivey.

Why for Detroit?
Quick is the perfect fit for Cade. He is a combo gaurd who can play a bit on or off the ball. Allowing Cade to pick is spots on O. He would change the identity of the team defensively. Suddenly with a potential Quick/Cade/Thompson perimeter trio, Detroit would excel at forcing turnovers and can help form a future identity. Remember Quick is only 24. Considering his age and the massive cap space Detroit will have, it's a scenario to consider. Ivey, meanwhile, does not seem like the best long term complement with Cade and feels destined to be more of a staggered combo gaurd/6man in this unit.

So...Can Detroit swoop in and make a run for Quick considering they might be willing to BOTH overpay (market wise) and move Ivey in a sign and trade?

Detroit has more pressing needs than adding another PG in training. They will lose out on other targets if they leave space tied up on Quickley while waiting for Toronto to match, which they will.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean if you throw a max out there Toronto should not match. But Detroit shouldn't do that, and Toronto would probably match anyway because teams rarely make the cold smart decision. Suns are still probably amazed they got off the Ayton deal as well as they did.

[louc1970]

I think anything more than $18-$20 for Quickley is too much. With Detroit already having Ivey, I don't see the need to put that kind of money into Quickley.

It would be a sign and trade with Ivey

I don't think Quickley is worth anywhere near that kind of money. Four years at $130m is SGA/Garland/Morant money.
Quickley is nowhere near that valuable. He is not even Marcus Smart money ($18m)
He is Sexton, DRussell type money.

Quickley has not changed the Raptors play at all.

[psman2]

So Det choses to waste an asset to enter into a bad contract here? Det would just overpay what they feel comfortable with for Quickly and risk Tor matching it. The opportunity cost in free agency this year is very low so Det is not really risking missing out on players if Tor matches and ties up their cap space for a few days.

Detroit is not far enough along in their rebuild nor is Quickley such a great fit that missing out on IQ is some big lost.

[Godaddycurse]

I mean if you throw a max out there Toronto should not match. But Detroit shouldn't do that, and Toronto would probably match anyway because teams rarely make the cold smart decision. Suns are still probably amazed they got off the Ayton deal as well as they did.

1) unlike the suns Toronto is very far from the tax even with IQ getting a max
2) IQ is a great fit next to Barnes, you need to keep him if anything to keep Barnes happy
3) He has great motor (unlike Ayton) and i would count on him to continue to improve and justify his next contract. His playmaking took a big leap this year after the trade and still shot near 40% w/ increase volume from 3. He's been playing great recently and i look forward to his play next year.

As for OP, GTJ and Brown Jr are not considerations really to me/i dont see them as part of the future of the team. IQ is a much better fit next to Barnes than Ivey so i would decline your suggested S&T

[louc1970]

If Detroit is going to pay for free agents, they need to go for someone that is not a duplicate of what they currently have. I would rather them put money to Monk, Bridges.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean if you throw a max out there Toronto should not match. But Detroit shouldn't do that, and Toronto would probably match anyway because teams rarely make the cold smart decision. Suns are still probably amazed they got off the Ayton deal as well as they did.

1) unlike the suns Toronto is very far from the tax even with IQ getting a max
2) IQ is a great fit next to Barnes, you need to keep him if anything to keep Barnes happy
3) He has great motor (unlike Ayton) and i would count on him to continue to improve and justify his next contract. His playmaking took a big leap this year after the trade and still shot near 40% w/ increase volume from 3. He's been playing great recently and i look forward to his play next year.

As for OP, GTJ and Brown Jr are not considerations really to me/i dont see them as part of the future of the team. IQ is a much better fit next to Barnes than Ivey so i would decline your suggested S&T

I'm not trying to say he's Ayton. I'm saying teams almost always choose to pay/match their young players at numbers that are mistakes. Maybe its not a tax issue now, but if you give Barnes a max now you have two (smallest) max players but still don't have a franchise player. It just makes everything much more difficult. I get why teams do it because fans tend to think like you and we have to keep him and right now today his contract isn't a problem and I know I can't explain to my fanbase why we let this guy go over "just money".

But those are still frequently "mistakes". I remember when Dallas maxed Parson to get him from Houston and Houston fans couldn't believe they made him an RFA a year early and then didn't match and were big mad. But Houston made the right call and it didn't really hurt them that much on the court. Dallas then just kept maxing non-max players and in a period when they could have used that space to sell for assets they just were mediocre and going nowhere. Raps are in real danger of the same imo. Which really sucks after they made the hard decision to trade Siakam/OG.

[Skybox]

I mean if you throw a max out there Toronto should not match. But Detroit shouldn't do that, and Toronto would probably match anyway because teams rarely make the cold smart decision. Suns are still probably amazed they got off the Ayton deal as well as they did.

1) unlike the suns Toronto is very far from the tax even with IQ getting a max
2) IQ is a great fit next to Barnes, you need to keep him if anything to keep Barnes happy
3) He has great motor (unlike Ayton) and i would count on him to continue to improve and justify his next contract. His playmaking took a big leap this year after the trade and still shot near 40% w/ increase volume from 3. He's been playing great recently and i look forward to his play next year.

As for OP, GTJ and Brown Jr are not considerations really to me/i dont see them as part of the future of the team. IQ is a much better fit next to Barnes than Ivey so i would decline your suggested S&T

I'm not trying to say he's Ayton. I'm saying teams almost always choose to pay/match their young players at numbers that are mistakes. Maybe its not a tax issue now, but if you give Barnes a max now you have two (smallest) max players but still don't have a franchise player. It just makes everything much more difficult. I get why teams do it because fans tend to think like you and we have to keep him and right now today his contract isn't a problem and I know I can't explain to my fanbase why we let this guy go over "just money".

But those are still frequently "mistakes". I remember when Dallas maxed Parson to get him from Houston and Houston fans couldn't believe they made him an RFA a year early and then didn't match and were big mad. But Houston made the right call and it didn't really hurt them that much on the court. Dallas then just kept maxing non-max players and in a period when they could have used that space to sell for assets they just were mediocre and going nowhere. Raps are in real danger of the same imo. Which really sucks after they made the hard decision to trade Siakam/OG.

good take...this "swoop in and swipe" could be a Lose-Lose situation.

I remember goofy Parsons palling around with Cuban and "helping recruit" other stars, like him.

[theBigLip]

Several posts have already said it - Pistons have needs and they have the cap space to fix them. Very specifically, more 3pt shooters, and at SG, SF or PF (I know, we don’t have positions anymore but you know what I mean). If the Pistons have $70M+ to spend this summer, they can fill all those voids. PG/Combo Guard is not really an issue.

[Godaddycurse]

I mean if you throw a max out there Toronto should not match. But Detroit shouldn't do that, and Toronto would probably match anyway because teams rarely make the cold smart decision. Suns are still probably amazed they got off the Ayton deal as well as they did.

1) unlike the suns Toronto is very far from the tax even with IQ getting a max
2) IQ is a great fit next to Barnes, you need to keep him if anything to keep Barnes happy
3) He has great motor (unlike Ayton) and i would count on him to continue to improve and justify his next contract. His playmaking took a big leap this year after the trade and still shot near 40% w/ increase volume from 3. He's been playing great recently and i look forward to his play next year.

As for OP, GTJ and Brown Jr are not considerations really to me/i dont see them as part of the future of the team. IQ is a much better fit next to Barnes than Ivey so i would decline your suggested S&T

I'm not trying to say he's Ayton. I'm saying teams almost always choose to pay/match their young players at numbers that are mistakes. Maybe its not a tax issue now, but if you give Barnes a max now you have two (smallest) max players but still don't have a franchise player. It just makes everything much more difficult. I get why teams do it because fans tend to think like you and we have to keep him and right now today his contract isn't a problem and I know I can't explain to my fanbase why we let this guy go over "just money".

But those are still frequently "mistakes". I remember when Dallas maxed Parson to get him from Houston and Houston fans couldn't believe they made him an RFA a year early and then didn't match and were big mad. But Houston made the right call and it didn't really hurt them that much on the court. Dallas then just kept maxing non-max players and in a period when they could have used that space to sell for assets they just were mediocre and going nowhere. Raps are in real danger of the same imo. Which really sucks after they made the hard decision to trade Siakam/OG.

I think Masai sees Barnes as the franchise player. He took a big step forward this year and time will tell if he can continue to elevate his game.

[Billl]

I could 100% see the pistons moving ivey. I could 100% see the pistons overpaying someone in free agency. I don't see them giving up ivey for the right to overpay someone in free agency. That would be some horrible asset management.