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[Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves

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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#741 » by shrink » Tue Apr 2, 2024 10:57 pm

Pretty simple logic isn't it?

Does anyone really think Glen Taylor didn't do his financial due diligence on Lore and Arod before he even sat down with them? I think so. Would Taylor have even bothered dealing with them if they didn't have the money is a great question.

The other thing no one talks about is that the Wolves are expected to make a small profit this year and next. Attendance, concessions, parking and largely TV contracts pay the bills. So it's not like Lore has to spend hundreds of millions out of pocket to keep the team afloat.

The thing is, it's Glen Taylor, he could of absolutely not done his due diligence! Even if we think Lore and arod are complete frauds, Glen Taylor picked them to sell the team to! In any situation either Glen is a moron, lazy, or a snake. Has to be at least one of them

It’s possible that no one fooled anyone.

Suppose Lore says, “I can’t pay, but trust me, in three years I can raise the money.”

Three years is a long time, but a billion dollars is also a lot of money. Maybe Lore honestly believed he could do it, and Taylor honestly believed him. He’s safe either way - he keeps ownership if they end up not being able to pay. But things change. Apparently Lore has pumped most of his liquid capital into Wonder, and expected ARod to catch up on the amount he was supposed to pay.

Maybe they all honestly thought Lore and ARod could raise this money when they made the deal.
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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#742 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Apr 2, 2024 10:57 pm

shrink wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I have zero issue with Glen having seller's remorse. He's losing a billion dollars on the sale based on current valuation. If A Rod and Lore have defaulted on the purchase agreement Glen is doing what any reasonable businessman would do. Terminate the purchase.

I feel the same way. Taylor’s motivations aren’t relevant to his or Lore’s actions and the contract, and just something to rile up fans.

In fact, I wonder if an arbiter is going to split the baby down the middle, and say, “ARod and Lore, we’ll look past all this BS and your funding, and you can be owner if you pay 40% of the current value of the team - up front. And Taylor, you can’t cancel the sale, but have to accept ARod and Lore’s market value offer.”

That would be good for the fans, right? Would Lore and ARod accept that, “because they want to do what’s best for the fans?” And could these self-claimed rich guys even afford to buy at market price?


I wonder how many years it'll take them to get the cash to buy 40% of the current value of the team...
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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#743 » by thinktank » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:01 pm

Glen running the board of governors and the vote that will go his way may literally be criminal.
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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#744 » by Klomp » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:02 pm

shrink wrote:My point is that ARod and Lore are taking full credit for Tim Connelly in front of the fans, and that’s not true. Neither could have brought Connelly here without the other.

Taylor literally told them "don't bother going after him". There is a zero percent chance that Connelly is here without Lore and Rodriguez. Yes, Taylor approved it, but they did all of the legwork to get to that point.
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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#745 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:03 pm

thinktank wrote:Glen running the board of governors and the vote that will go his way may literally be criminal.


7 years ago.

He is a past chairman of the board of governors for the NBA, serving two terms from 2008 to 2012 and from 2014 to 2017.
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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#746 » by shrink » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:05 pm

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shrink wrote:My point is that ARod and Lore are taking full credit for Tim Connelly in front of the fans, and that’s not true. Neither could have brought Connelly here without the other.

Taylor literally told them "don't bother going after him". There is a zero percent chance that Connelly is here without Lore and Rodriguez. Yes, Taylor approved it, but they did all of the legwork to get to that point.

No doubt. But there is also a zero percent chance Connelly is here if Taylor says, “$8 mil is too much for a GM”
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Post#747 » by KGdaBom » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:09 pm

Klomp wrote:
shrink wrote:My point is that ARod and Lore are taking full credit for Tim Connelly in front of the fans, and that’s not true. Neither could have brought Connelly here without the other.

Taylor literally told them "don't bother going after him". There is a zero percent chance that Connelly is here without Lore and Rodriguez. Yes, Taylor approved it, but they did all of the legwork to get to that point.

And a year after Connelly made what was considered one of the worst trades in NBA history he's looking good. Good for Connelly, Lore, A Rod and Glen for approving it.
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Post#748 » by Klomp » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:09 pm

thinktank wrote:Glen running the board of governors and the vote that will go his way may literally be criminal.

Well, it's been a number of years since he ran the board I believe. From what I can find, it was only until 2017.
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Post#749 » by thinktank » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:17 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
thinktank wrote:Glen running the board of governors and the vote that will go his way may literally be criminal.


7 years ago.

He is a past chairman of the board of governors for the NBA, serving two terms from 2008 to 2012 and from 2014 to 2017.


Glad to read that. Still, he has his relationships.
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Post#750 » by KGdaBom » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:19 pm

thinktank wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
thinktank wrote:Glen running the board of governors and the vote that will go his way may literally be criminal.


7 years ago.

He is a past chairman of the board of governors for the NBA, serving two terms from 2008 to 2012 and from 2014 to 2017.


Glad to read that. Still, he has his relationships.

So since he has relationships you think they will resort to criminal activity?
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Post#751 » by thinktank » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:28 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
thinktank wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
7 years ago.

He is a past chairman of the board of governors for the NBA, serving two terms from 2008 to 2012 and from 2014 to 2017.


Glad to read that. Still, he has his relationships.

So since he has relationships you think they will resort to criminal activity?


Has Taylor ever broken rules before?

Yes.

If there’s one thing we’ve learned about Taylor, it is expect the unexpected.

What he’s doing now may in fact be illegal.
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Post#752 » by guest81 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:33 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:Glen has made some poor decisions. Calling him a snake when he has done nothing snakelike IMO is over the top. There was the Joe Smith thing which I don't consider snakelike at all, but that was the worst thing he was involved in.


Well the joe Smith thing was literally snake like

Why do you think that?


He asked Joe Smith to take less money so they could keep his bird rights so they can pay him more later. Trying to circumvent the league? Does snakelike mean something else to you?
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Post#753 » by guest81 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:34 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
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Nick K wrote:
Pretty simple logic isn't it?

Does anyone really think Glen Taylor didn't do his financial due diligence on Lore and Arod before he even sat down with them? I think so. Would Taylor have even bothered dealing with them if they didn't have the money is a great question.

The other thing no one talks about is that the Wolves are expected to make a small profit this year and next. Attendance, concessions, parking and largely TV contracts pay the bills. So it's not like Lore has to spend hundreds of millions out of pocket to keep the team afloat.



The thing is, it's Glen Taylor, he could of absolutely not done his due diligence! Even if we think Lore and arod are complete frauds, Glen Taylor picked them to sell the team to! In any situation either Glen is a moron, lazy, or a snake. Has to be at least one of them

Mr. Lore has fooled a lot of people. If he fooled Glen that that doesn't mean he is a moron, lazy or a snake.


Do you think Glen doesn't have the resources to find out if Lore has the money? Apparently people on here knew
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Post#754 » by Worm Guts » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:37 pm

guest81 wrote:
shrink wrote:
guest81 wrote:
Well the joe Smith thing was literally snake like

Why do you think that?


He asked Joe Smith to take less money so they could keep his bird rights so they can pay him more later. Trying to circumvent the league? Does snakelike mean something else to you?


I don’t know. I don’t think he was taking advantage of Joe Smith with that deal. It seemed like the league was Ok with it as a wink and handshake deal. Glen was just dumb enough to put it in writing.
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Post#755 » by guest81 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:39 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
guest81 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Glen has made some poor decisions. Calling him a snake when he has done nothing snakelike IMO is over the top. There was the Joe Smith thing which I don't consider snakelike at all, but that was the worst thing he was involved in.


Well the joe Smith thing was literally snake like. He also had thrown the best player in franchise history under the bus by saying he dogged it. Probably went back on a deal with kg after flip died is pretty snakelike. McHale has apparently called him snake like as well

First of all that deal was McHale's idea. Do you even know what was in that "illegal" agreement. It was things like if you make all NBA and the Wolves win the championship we will give you a big raise? Of course they would. They were agreeing to do what they obviously would have done. Not snakelike to me, but maybe to you.


It was both their ideas. Both Glen and McHale were suspended. How would you feel if the Lakers told ant to sign with them for league minimum so he could play with LeBron and ad then get paid down the road?
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Post#756 » by guest81 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:41 pm

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shrink wrote:Why do you think that?


He asked Joe Smith to take less money so they could keep his bird rights so they can pay him more later. Trying to circumvent the league? Does snakelike mean something else to you?


I don’t know. I don’t think he was taking advantage of Joe Smith with that deal. It seemed like the league was Ok with it as a wink and handshake deal. Glen was just dumb enough to put it in writing.


I mean he was taking advantage of the salary cap. Just goes to the intelligence of Taylor that he did it with Joe Smith, instead of an actual superstar player. Obviously the league wasn't ok with it as stern gave the wolves the death penalty
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Post#757 » by KGdaBom » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:44 pm

guest81 wrote:
shrink wrote:
guest81 wrote:
Well the joe Smith thing was literally snake like

Why do you think that?


He asked Joe Smith to take less money so they could keep his bird rights so they can pay him more later. Trying to circumvent the league? Does snakelike mean something else to you?

The illegal contract stipulated they would give him a raise if he made all NBA and the Wolves won the championship. Duh. Water is wet, and when not cloudy the sky is blue. Not snakelike to me. Just stupid to put it in writing.
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Post#758 » by Worm Guts » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:46 pm

guest81 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
guest81 wrote:
He asked Joe Smith to take less money so they could keep his bird rights so they can pay him more later. Trying to circumvent the league? Does snakelike mean something else to you?


I don’t know. I don’t think he was taking advantage of Joe Smith with that deal. It seemed like the league was Ok with it as a wink and handshake deal. Glen was just dumb enough to put it in writing.


I mean he was taking advantage of the salary cap. Just goes to the intelligence of Taylor that he did it with Joe Smith, instead of an actual superstar player. Obviously the league wasn't ok with it as stern gave the wolves the death penalty


Everyone knew what was happening when it happened. There was no penalty until it was found in writing, and obviously they have to because they can’t allow such blatant circumvention of the salary cap. I just think it was so freaking stupid more than anything.
Calling it the death penalty is a little ridiculous though.
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Post#759 » by KGdaBom » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:48 pm

thinktank wrote:
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Glad to read that. Still, he has his relationships.

So since he has relationships you think they will resort to criminal activity?


Has Taylor ever broken rules before?

Yes.

If there’s one thing we’ve learned about Taylor, it is expect the unexpected.

What he’s doing now may in fact be illegal.

In his interpretation of the purchase contract the buyers have breached the contract. The buyers believe they haven't. Nothing illegal on either side. The arbiter/Board of Governors and possibly courts will get involved to resolve which party is correct.
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Post#760 » by guest81 » Tue Apr 2, 2024 11:48 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
guest81 wrote:
shrink wrote:Why do you think that?


He asked Joe Smith to take less money so they could keep his bird rights so they can pay him more later. Trying to circumvent the league? Does snakelike mean something else to you?

The illegal contract stipulated they would give him a raise if he made all NBA and the Wolves won the championship. Duh. Water is wet, and when not cloudy the sky is blue. Not snakelike to me. Just stupid to put it in writing.


What are you talking about? They asked him to sign 3 1 year deals so they could get his bird rights so they could go over the cap to sign him to a larger deal.

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